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 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
More clarity on the "Exclusives":

Spoiler:

I find this actually a bit confusing: I was under the impression that the "Spirit of Thon" is a kickstarter exclusive, not then available in other regular channels (I'm sure also limited to some promotions). How does it then have a MSRP, and why is that exclusive a single piece? That is, all the others are a character +some number of others, or multiple items. Is the Spirit a big piece, a diorama, a set...?

I think the Spirit with have a KS Only pose or kit or something? Seems to imply its big if its $50 (like Havoc Huge)

Spirit is the Soul Core of Starlight Thon. This very Limited Edition Mini of Spirit in her CORE RUNNER form will not be available outside of this Kickstarter.

Why is this KS so confusing!

I don't know anybody care to shed light there?

on the MSRP? I am wondering id this would be what their price would be if there would be up for regular sale, which they will not be, so what the point beyond showing how much discounted they would be.

Really its a bit confusing.

So A: they're not actually exclusive.

And B: The MSRP on them is going to be $50??

I'm not sure all that is going to give with me.....

PsychoticStorm wrote:I don't know anybody care to shed light there?

on the MSRP? I am wondering id this would be what their price would be if there would be up for regular sale, which they will not be, so what the point beyond showing how much discounted they would be.

Really its a bit confusing.

cincydooley wrote:So A: they're not actually exclusive.

And B: The MSRP on them is going to be $50??

I'm not sure all that is going to give with me.....

I must say it is a tad weird that we're 18 updates in (rough +2 a day if averaging) and things are still fuzzy

The MSRP is still a hurdle. They have said it is an estimate, but still not especially good though if it means you're potentially putting yourself into GW/PP territory and scaring off potential customers ($25 for a single 28mm model, even terminator sized, is iffy) or causing some type of panic/hoarding behavior so that more people buy add ons to get 40-50% off.

Heck the core set itself has an MSRP cost of $99, making it economically silly to buy many of the items separately seeing that they all seem to be the same kit unlike GW monoposed starter sets (making assumptions here)

And if it is an estimate, then how did they easily determined add on prices already?

The exclusive thing is also a bit weird. They need to separate exclusive PRICING with exclusive MODELS (many KS do use both BUT clearly define which is which)

I'm not saying these people are bad people, just that they could use a good moment to sit down and explain things in detail. Maybe even have some type of interview or something

All good points - hopefully the creator, who posts here now and then, can provide additional clarity.

Both here, and on his actual KS page!

Hey Guys,

The Exclusives are indeed Exclusive to KS. Ideally I could offer them again at some future time but there are no plans for that right now. The pricing is based on similar models and what they will most likely sell for if/when they are re-released.

Spirit is big, probably 75mm or so. Her body will look similar to the Core Runner, and concept/model for her is incoming.

The Core Set end MSRP will fluctuate if we hit additional stretch goals and the overall cost to manufacture it increases. During the KS campaign it is locked at 75$ early bird and 85$ Add On. I will bring the cost down as much as possible.

Thanks for dropping by and clarifying this.

concept and models would be great to see.

Again, your KS and not mine, but I'd remove the MSRP info from the exclusives at all, then. It's entirely misleading, as it suggests they will be available at another time.

I'd disagree there, simply because folk were asking what the value of the exclusive stuff would be

(and you can still use an MSRP if the only selling is any overstock at conventions)

They posted a render of one of the highborn rangers on Facebook.



I showed it to my brother and he said it "looked terrible"...personally I think I'm going to have to fething smack him for his insolence.

Anyway, I didn't expect Spirit to be so large, and if that model truly is unique to KS then I might have to get one. For the others it sounds like they might just be unique sculpts for KS but you're not ruling out the possibility of releasing something similar at a later date? That makes sense then, because I was wondering why you would make a unit like the warhound riders a KS exclusive. Not that I'd be particularly bothered, since I don't really like the concept anyway.

I also like the picture of the havok in the updated box contents image, it's a bit small (the image I mean) but from what I can tell it looks a lot cooler at that angle.

That rifle is insanely long... and no bipod.

Are you sure the gubbins under the barrel isn't a monopod (or a bipod without the center 'division' put in yet?

I thought it might have been, but it looks like there's no way for it to fold out, so it's probably just...something.

A curious update;

Shipping/FAQ Update, RPG Vid incoming
Update #19 · Mar. 09, 2013 · 3 comments

I have updated the FAQ to cover common shipping questions. Core Sets will cost $25. Realistically it will cost more than $50 so I am splitting the charge with you 50-50.

To add on Sets, please add another $25.

RPG Vid - I will be putting together a simple breakdown vid of the RPG today and it will be posted this after noon (9a now, should be up end of day). if there is something specific you would like to see, class, loadouts, mechanics, etc. post here and I will answer it or demo it in the vid.

Thanks all!

I honestly have no idea if this is meant to only apply to non-Domestic shipping of rewards, all rewards, only extras...

EDIT: Some clarity from the comments;

Outside US only. If you were paying 25$ (or more) already, and add Core Sets, please add Shipping to cover the extra Sets.

Okay, so US, ordering just one Core set, no problem. Additional Core sets, add $25.

 Sidstyler wrote:

Not much of a fan. Chunky legs, gigantic gun and a tiny head! Definitely going to wait till I can purchase the individual models later on, provided they don't cost those rather ambitious prices that is...

Is it really that her head is too small, or that every other miniature's head is too big? I disagree with "chunky legs", too, she's obviously wearing some kind of padded armor and big boots to go with it, so it's likely not going to be skin-tight like a catsuit.

The gun doesn't really bother me. It's a strange design, but I imagine it's supposed to be something like a sniper rifle, and sniper rifles in games are always stupidly huge. Who knows, though, I wouldn't assume that this is what the finished model will look like anyway and that it might get changed up before release.

I think the model is okay- could be fantastic, though, with a bit of polishing and tweaking.

Been mulling over it for a few days and that's my verdict

I'm in on this one.
It's looking pretty good to me.

Is it me or has this been stuck at 51k for days now?

It isn't just you:




It is quite stalled now.

It needs something quick to boost it along, or we might see some significant bleed off... which would be a shame!


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An update!

Some WIP shots today, first, a head variant for the Ordhren Soldier featuring a flip up visor option. Other variants coming.

Next, the Ardor Corps with Magnum. The AC is the base Ordhren Class in Narrative Play to which players can convert and add bits to kit our their AC to match their evolving and leveling character.

AC are also upgrades for a force using Forgemaster Tyrian as an Overlord in Versus play.

This week we will have updated scale images, Pics of the Honor Guard Model, new background and SCOMA vids as well as our last two Exclusives.

I dropped. I can't see myself getting into a GW,e where a single infantry model is going to retail for $50. I realize they're larger scale, but all that means to me is that none of my present terrain will work.

Sid - Most minis games exaggerate proportions pretty dramatically, closer to dwarf proportions at 4:1 as opposed to more realistic 6:1 or 8:1.

We are constantly adjusting to find the best proportions to bring out more realistic models but also ones that will hold up under scrutiny and look amazing when painted.

cincy - I'm not sure where you you see that a single model will be 50$. Other than Spirit, all of the exclusives come in multiples and the scale is being worked on.

I should have a more accurate scale shot by the end of the week. Again, these are prototypes and there will be adjustments.

Hang in there.

Okidan_Champion wrote:

I should have a more accurate scale shot by the end of the week. Again, these are prototypes and there will be adjustments.

Hang in there.

This will be a 'make or break' thing, I think!

Also - is there a gameplay video for the Miniatures side of things somewhere?


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And...

...when might be learn more about this awesome looking vehicle:

@Okidan -- I just looked and didn't realize some of the 'exclusives' came with drones, etc. My bad.

Scale is going to be a big decision point for me.

This definitely looks interesting and I think I'll chuck a couple of units of currency at it. Also, definitely echo the Gate of Antares vibe comments (Tyrian looks like he'd make a much better Hansa!).

The clincher for me would be to see how those vehicle concepts turn out (love the look of the gunship!)

There's been something about the Thon designs that's been bothering me ever since the concepts first showed up here. I think I finally figured out what it is though. The legs are too long. The characters that aren't decked out in powered armor seem to be a little too lanky in the legs.

That being said, I do love a lot of the designs and I am totally backing this project. If nothing else, I am going to love the hell out of painting those drones and power armored figures. A question though, will the Fireborn have alternate right arms? I love their design, but I don't really want them all running around with buzz saw arms.

I understand you will be adjusting scale over time, but scale is tremendously important for many people. That initial scale photo did not inspire confidence in scale.

The quality is unquestionable. The models are great. However, getting a scale photograph out and ready may be a priority. I and others are hesitant on that alone.

Agreed!

And I have to believe that has contributed to the 'stall' that this campaign now seems to be stuck in...





Combine this with no real reason to pledge now (via stretch goals, add ons, etc.) and well, I'm a bit worried now!

Yup, it sure is slipping down. Now it went below 51k

Yes it did, it needs a major rethink, or a major boost on things to come.

It needs more involvement to be honest.