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I hope so - because if not I won't be backing this one.

I just don't have it in me to abandon all the "28mm" terrain I already have!

totally understandable, and the game is being designed with that in mind.

I'm a huge tabletop gamer as well and would not throw out 30+ years of terrain and minis either.

Good to hear - and thanks!

 Absolutionis wrote:
Scale image was put up on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=416827768411079&set=a.317187248375132.72933.247819308645260&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

The size of these figures looks great, especially since "28mm" can mean anything. There are variations in people's height as much as there should be in minis. All of the figures look proportional to the sedition wars and 40k figures sitting in front of them. The only Thon figure amongst the bunch I would expect to be smaller is the manakin. Even Vakon, being the big shot he's supposed to be, would be believable at the size shown in the pictures (the proportionally correct size of a space marine, btw).

Add ons are up. Includes MRSP and discount price. Some stuff is 50% off!

I really want to pledge but I want to see some final scale shots.

Yeah, I like using minis in lots of games.

I agree about the scale issue. I'm really curious if you have any prototypes of any model that will be of the intended final scale.

Gosh darn it another update

2nd exclusive up




Say count as thunder wolves if you're desperate

Ok I'll stop the 40k analogies



Though once again I'm getting confused

It says KS Exclusive, yet it has a MSRP of $50 (for 4). Add on price of $25

That makes it just an add on item then, right? Unless they just mean KS Exclusive pricing?

Those MSRPs seem really high on some of the "normal" sized squads and characters...

I've been wondering that- they really need to clarify what they mean by "exclusive". I don't think they mean "Kickstarter only".

The discounts do look good, but as Bob says the listed MSRPs are surprisingly high for the individual units.

The prices are structured very strangely. There's a 75usd early bird for the core set and there's the normal 90usd version. But what gets stranger is there's an add-on for 85usd that you can add to the going rogue level (15usd) which is the catch-all for items you want to add.

Plus the prices are basically almost GW level. 85usd rrp for a rulebook? 25usd for a character mini? I have to wonder if the prices will stay these way because I can't imagine a new company being able to fetch these kind of prices on the market.

RiTides wrote:

The discounts do look good, but as Bob says the listed MSRPs are surprisingly high for the individual units.

Sining wrote:

Plus the prices are basically almost GW level. 85usd rrp for a rulebook? 25usd for a character mini? I have to wonder if the prices will stay these way because I can't imagine a new company being able to fetch these kind of prices on the market.

Perhaps

I mean a ADU set + Havok=$100. Which is exactly the same price as the entire box set itself. And I dont think this is going to be GW's Monopose Starter Set only plastic either

In fact adding everything together mini wise comes to $300 according to their MSRP. So if you want at least half the models its way better to buy another entire box set....

MSRP could come down once I have final numbers and final products. Right now you are still getting a pretty good discount, even if those higher priced units come down as far as say, $35.


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 Absolutionis wrote:
I agree about the scale issue. I'm really curious if you have any prototypes of any model that will be of the intended final scale.

I will get an image up of a more accurately scaled version soon.

Update: Stretch Goals


It doesn't say if these are going to be added to the Core Set or just free extras, hopefully the creator will clear this up.

Also, the fourth Kickstarter exclusive, Spirit.

Spirit is the Soul Core of Starlight Thon. This very Limited Edition Mini of Spirit in her CORE RUNNER form will not be available outside of this Kickstarter.

Enjoy.

Each Core Set will be upgraded with *2* Highborn Rangers.

So I jumped in for now at the $200 level simply based on aesthetics, but I'm pretty wary right now. The pricing, like some others have said, is really strange, and the dissemination of information seems a bit confused at this point.

Maybe I'm just spoiled by the warm blanket that is a CMoN KS project that they've even further refined with the Zombiecide 2 campaign (those symbols for each backer level?!? Brilliant).

Anyways. Cautiously optomistic about this one. Will take a wait and see approach, but I at least have my spot in line ;-).

@Okidan - You don't know me from Adam, so my opinion may not mean a thing, but I'd recommend creating a simple " kickstarter exclusive" graphic to put on your images to help differentiate between items that are and are not KS only.

Okidan_Champion wrote:
Each Core Set will be upgraded with *2* Highborn Rangers.

Aye we know that, but are the other stretches the same?

I'm actually going to assume yes. And if so I really hope we hit those!

Yup, all stretches are the same currently.

I'm going to put up some mini stretches like dice, cards, and boards in the next day or two.

cincy - totally understand, yes it is nice to have had a few KS under you belt already ::] I'll put some badges together.

Each of the 4 Exclusives have 'Kickstarter Exclusive' on the top of the Image. Spirit is the only Limited one. The others are Add ons and are unique and are available at about 50% off during the campaign.

If there is anything that I can clear up post here or the comments, or mail me on KS and I will try to clear it up, you probably arent alone.

Okidan_Champion wrote:


Each of the 4 Exclusives have 'Kickstarter Exclusive' on the top of the Image. Spirit is the only Limited one. The others are Add ons and are unique and are available at about 50% off during the campaign.

Maybe I'm just slow, but this is where I think you need to make it very clear what items you can ONLY get from the KS campaign. The way I read your statement, the pricing is exclusive to KS, but it's still a bit unclear what items are.

Honestly I am confused, can we get a simple rundown on what is what and what is included where.

Yes, I could probably figure it out, but I am sort on time to find the information out.

I would like to see the actual casts of the Exclusives before diving in. Are you likely to have test casts (or even finals) of those soon?

Or at the very least, full scale renders of the Exclusives. The artwork is very nice, but art doesn't always translate well into miniatures.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Honestly I am confused, can we get a simple rundown on what is what and what is included where.

Yes, I could probably figure it out, but I am sort on time to find the information out.

Agreed, the page could be a lot less cluttered. The "what's in the box" image needs to be updated to include the 2 rangers. Also, I'd recommend just getting rid of the add-on image and putting the add-on prices on the large renders of the models.

The whole scale thing is the 'only' issue stopping me from pledging right now.

I know you've said that the final product will be properly scaled so as to fit in with "28mm heroic" stuff... but I'm still on the fence until I see something that convinces me!

If I understand correctly, Spirit is the only limited item so far (the only real "exclusive"), and the others just have "exclusive" Kickstarter prices, then?

He said they were "unique", though, so maybe alternate sculpts or something? I dunno. I was thinking about bumping my pledge up to $200 to get the early bird with four exclusives, just in case I can't pick just two, but if I can add-on guys like Tyrian and Caurus and get the truly limited models like Spirit as my exclusives I think I'll just do that instead. Probably still gonna spend about the same amount either way, though, if not more.

Anyway, the retail prices do sound kinda high (all the more reason to back the Kickstarter ), but I guess I'll hold out hope that they come down later like Okidan said. Not that I don't believe in paying for quality and all, but I'm one of those people who were essentially priced out of 40k so I'm not exactly keen to start up another game with a similar kind of buy-in, as much as I do like some of the models/concepts so far. Like cincy said, cautious optimism and I have my place in line, so

All,

The Exclusives will not be in the Core Set. They are like Add-Ons in that they are additional models you can pick and choose to customize your order to be exactly what you want.

The Ranger is just about done so Tyrian will be the first Exclusive Render after that.

I will continue to put up progress images as we go and if there is a model you just despise I will happily refund your payment prior to shipping it out. I will try to bring prices down as much as possible.

I will reiterate this in an update.

Alpharius,
I will get an image up next week. All of the models will undergo a small amount of adjustments, this is expected.

Say hi to Omegon.

Okidan_Champion wrote:

Alpharius,
I will get an image up next week. All of the models will undergo a small amount of adjustments, this is expected.

OK, you win - I backed this KS!

Of course, I do still hold the Scipio/Azazelx Clause option and reserve the right to pull my pledge at any time, just in case!

Okidan_Champion wrote:

Say hi to Omegon.

You just did!

So when we can get a comprehensive, this is what you get so far table?


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Updated Box Contents Image, this is all Core Sets (Models Only).

1x Vakon

2x Honor Guard

2x Ranger

2x Atera Cannon

10x Manakin

2x ADU

1x Daughtus

1x HAVOK

4x ARC / 8x DRX - This sprue can make either DRX or ARC

4x Fireborn

Thanks for the fast response.

More clarity on the "Exclusives":

 Alpharius wrote:
More clarity on the "Exclusives":

Spoiler:

I find this actually a bit confusing: I was under the impression that the "Spirit of Thon" is a kickstarter exclusive, not then available in other regular channels (I'm sure also limited to some promotions). How does it then have a MSRP, and why is that exclusive a single piece? That is, all the others are a character +some number of others, or multiple items. Is the Spirit a big piece, a diorama, a set...?

Beats me!

I just hope those vehicles eventually make it into this KS too!