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Nigel Stillman





Seattle WA

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
There is also, as stated, much more than target shooting experience to determining someone's effectiveness in a gunfight. Statistically, the ability to determine what will provide the best cover is far more important than precision shooting abilities, and much of modern military training is rooted in removing the psychological blocks humans generally have against killing one another, to ensure they both aim at the enemy and pull the trigger without hesitation.

Could you point us towards those statistics sometime?

Seriously though.

Why don't you, who I'm presuming has a computer that's not so godawful that using google crashes your browser (as frequently happens with the phone I'm using), look it up? It was some police study that determined better/faster analysis and selection of cover was more important to officers in a gunfight than being good on a range, as I recall. I've read mentions of it, but never bothered to track it down myself.


I giggled.

How can you expect anyone to treat any claim you make seriously if you can't be bothered to back it up yourself?


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Imperial Admiral




Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Why don't you, who I'm presuming has a computer that's not so godawful that using google crashes your browser (as frequently happens with the phone I'm using), look it up?

Because there's too many unknown variables for me to even tell what I'm looking for. I don't know what you mean by "the range," for example. If you're talking just simply slowfire at stationary targets, then yeah, that makes sense. If you're talking about actually worthwhile defensive pistol training, which of course occurs on a range of some sort, then it makes no sense at all. But I don't know if you're talking about spending half an hour at the local gun shop, or if you're talking about spending a week at Rogers Shooting School.
   
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Mysterious Techpriest





For all that I was otherwise occupied, I found where I'd read it (surprisingly fast), and the source used:

http://www.virginiacops.org/articles/shooting/combat.htm About some study conducted by the NYPD, apparently.
It has been assumed that if a man can hit a target at 50 yards he can certainly do the same at three feet. That assumption is not borne out by the reports.

An attempt was made to relate an officer's ability to strike a target in a combat situation to his range qualification scores. After making over 200 such comparisons, no firm conclusion was reached. To this writer's mind, the study result establishes that there is indeed a disconnect between the two.

If there was a connection between range marksmanship and combat hitsmanship, one would expect the combat hit potential percentages, to be well above the dismal ones reported. That is because the shooting distance was less than 20 feet in 75 percent of the 4000 encounters studied.
The element reported as the single most important factor in the officer's survival during an armed confrontation was cover.

In a stress situation an officer is likely to react as he was trained to react. There is almost always some type of cover available, but it may not be recognized as such without training.


And, twice while I was trying to copypaste that, this tab decided I was no longer using it, and cleared itself from memory.

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Imagine that, I called it.
   
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The Great State of Texas

 Kilkrazy wrote:
All that aggression that boys have must be special to Americans. Other countries get on fine with educating children without providing special aggression play courses for boys.


In some countries males youths are called "Kalashnikovs" because they like to shoot peopleand join revolutions. No the US is not special. It rather lightweight.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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