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 SRSFACE wrote:
No other race features Sv3+ troops, and no other army boasts basic troops with S4 T4 WS4.

While I agree with your point about the power of ATSKNF as a rule, I would like to introduce you to the Necron Immortals, whom you have evidently never met.

 rohansoldier wrote:
Let us hope that the rumoured csm veteran supplement will address some of these issues about not being able to represent your legion on the tabletop (which I agree with) by applying decently costed (or ideally free with VOTLW) skills for CSM units.

Ideally of course they should be given out free as Legion Tactics like the SM get, but I doubt that will happen.

Except that considering that would increase the cost of the unit..(10 points for one skill and VOTLW means they are now as costly as GH..Without the BP/CCW...BALANCE! )

I quite like some parts of the CSM codex.


But as I have said before it is far more Chaos Renegades than Chaos Legions, which absolutely sucks in my opinion and should be the other way around. With some fluffy legion tactics (I don't want them to be cheese inspiring, I just want them to be fluffy!) and a few other tweaks.

I mean seriously GW, all you have to do is get the C:SM, change the art in it and change the names of the chapter tactics, it isn't that hard!

From a flavour perspective, I absolutely agree that it is a total missed opportunity. The SM Codex fixed the "Legion problem" so easily that it is hard to believe no one had thought of it before.

From an internal balance perspective, again, it's severely flawed, but I supposed it is no different in that regard than pretty much every other book ever published by GW.

On the external balance balance front, though, I think CSM players don't have it nearly as bad as they think they do. I mean, 3 decent HQs (DPs with wings, Sorcerers & Chaos Lords), not-awesome-but-workable Troops (Cultists for objective babysitting, CSM/Plagues/NM for midfield), excellent Fast Attack choices (no more needs to be said about that, I hope) and quite solid Heavy Support options (Autohavocks, Autolas preds, Vindis, Nurgle Oblits). The only slot that really has nothing of particular value in it is the Elite slot.

Even Champion of Chaos is not that hard to work around: don't tool up your Champions, and don't let your Lords ride around with another Champion with him to do the challenging.