The Non-Zimmerman Shooting Teens in Florida Thread

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**timetowaste85**

I'm glad he's going away. He deserves it. But there was an INCREDIBLY stupid post that I laughed at, and I hope the poster matured as a human being since making that. If I'm gonna risk a triangle of friendship, I want it to be worthwhile.

**Ensis Ferrae**

sebster wrote:

It isn't that simple, because words with racial meanings are used all the time in non-racist contexts, and simply refusing to be part can actually end up looking racist.

I'll give you an example, in the country I used to play in a cricket team with a pretty strong aboriginal contingent, and they'd throw around all sorts of terms that I would never have used when I lived in the city. One time after I'd just shared a good laugh with one guy, he grabbed me around the shoulders and said 'this guy is my boong brother'... and I said 'yeah, we're boong brothers'. Now boong is just like the n-word, and there's no way in hell I'd just say it in regular conversation (I actually feel a bit odd typing it...) but in that situation it would have been weird and kind of racist for me to say 'actually I don't like that word and I won't say'.

It's all in the context of the situation.

I agree with this in sentiment, however in reality, in the US it just isn't that simple.... The rugby club I play for now has a decent percentage of Islanders. If you know much about their culture, they in essence view themselves as being "black" so their good buddy becomes "my [the N-word, but I won't type it here, because it'll be censored anyhow

]" now, if in that same situation as Seb, my rugby teammates put their arm around me and say "this here is my N---" I most definitely cannot respond with the same.

As for the OP, I find that there's so much wrong with the whole situation here... Start with a guy drinking and driving (with a woman who was also drinking, so she was obviously no better for driving). Add in that some idiot kids were playing their "music" too loud, if Dunn's account is at all accurate, and his mirrors were vibrating from the volume of the music, then he had every right to ask them to turn it down. I know that I've done so a few times since my kids have been born. From there, the idiocy just seems to ramp up, and we'll probably ultimately never know WHY. Did Dunn "ask" the teens to turn down their music in such a way as to engender hostile actions/feelings from them? Did they REALLY say some stupid stuff after turning off their music? From there, of course his having a firearm, whilst being under the influence of alcohol will most likely screw him over, combined with his actions at the scene, as well as him leaving and what he did later on.

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d-usa wrote:

You got the snowbirds, the summer coastal crowd, and the Theme Park families; is there anybody else?

NASCAR

**Ouze**

Man gets life without parole for murdering Florida teen over loud music
By Ray Sanchez, CNN

Michael Dunn is sentenced to life in prison without parole

He was convicted for the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis

Death happened during an argument over loud music

Judge Russell Healey: "Mr. Dunn, your life is effectively over"

(CNN) -- A Florida judge Friday sentenced Michael Dunn to life in prison without parole for the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis.

The sentence, imposed nearly two years after Dunn shot and killed Davis during an argument over loud music, also carries an additional 90 years for three convictions of attempted murder and firing a weapon into a vehicle.

"This case demonstrates that our justice system does work," Duval County Judge Russell Healey said moments before sentencing Dunn.

Dunn, 47, who is white, was convicted of first-degree murder this month for shooting into an SUV full of African-American teenagers at a Jacksonville, Florida, gas station after an argument over loud music from the teens' vehicle.

Jurors speak out on 'loud music' verdict Michael Dunn found guilty of murder

Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty in the racially-charged case, which drew comparisons to the shooting death of unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin by neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman, who maintained that he acted in self-defense, was acquitted last year by a Florida jury.

Dunn claimed he acted in self-defense because he believed Davis was reaching for a gun. No weapon was found.

"Mr. Dunn, your life is effectively over," Healey said. "What is sad... is that this case exemplifies that our society seems to have lost its way."

Dunn, wearing an orange jumpsuit, showed no emotion.

Healey said Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law was widely misunderstood.

"We should remember there is nothing wrong with retreating and deescalating the situation," the judge said.

Outside court, Davis' father, Ron Davis, said the judge sent a strong message.

"We may have in this state 'stand your ground' laws but that doesn't allow you as a citizen, when you have a chance to diffuse a situation, for you to be so aggressive," he told CNN by phone on Friday. "It's basically saying to people, stop with the shoot first."

In a brief statement before sentencing, Dunn for the first time apologized to Davis' family.

"I want the Davis family to know I truly regret what happened," he said. "I'm sorry for their loss. If I could roll back time and do things differently, I would."

He feared for his life, he said.

"I did what I thought I had to do," Dunn said. "Still, I am mortified I took a life, whether it was justified or not."

Davis' parents, Davis and Lucia McBath, made emotional statements at the hearing, which was attended by some of the jurors who convicted Dunn.

Juror: 'Race was never a factor'

In tears, McBath remembered her son. She said she forgave Dunn.

"I miss his big, wide, toothy smile," she said. "For me, there will be no college graduation. There will be no daughter-in-law. For me, there will be no future generation."

She added, "I too must be willing to forgive. And so I choose to forgive you Mr. Dunn for taking my son's life. I pray that God has mercy on your soul."

Davis said he life was changed forever.

"My life as I had known it was shattered on November 23, 2012," he told the court. "I now call it Black Friday for a completely different reason. After the longest hour of my life, the hospital confirmed that Jordan Russell Davis was deceased in the emergency room. ... The old Ron
Davis died that night with Jordan."

Davis called Dunn's apology "paper thin."

"You can tell the defense attorney wrote that for him," he told CNN. "It was not heartfelt. There wasn't a tear in his eyes, no tremble in his voice. He had no remorse whatsoever."

Unlike McBath, Davis hasn't forgiven his son's killer.

"For me to forgive you, you have to have remorse," he said. "I leave it to God to forgive him. I pray that God does forgive him."

Juror: 'I believed he was guilty'

Dunn's family did not address the court.

Dunn has said he shot at the vehicle because he thought Davis had a weapon and feared for his life, but the prosecution said Dunn was the aggressor and pointed out that he kept firing even after the teens fled.

Three of the 10 shots that Dunn fired struck Davis, one of them cutting through his liver, a lung and his aorta.

Investigators say Davis never had a weapon, nor was one found in the teens' SUV or in the area.

A jury found Dunn guilty of four charges in February, commanding at least 60 years in prison, but the jury was hung on the murder charge related to Davis' November 2012 death.

Dunn was convicted in February on one count of shooting into a vehicle and three counts of attempted second-degree murder -- one each for Davis' friends, Leland Brunson, Tommie Stornes and Tevin Thompson, who were in the Dodge Durango with Davis.

After shooting Davis, prosecutors said, Dunn did not call police. He returned to his hotel, ordered pizza, walked his dog and went to sleep.

source, with the now obligatory annoying autoplay video

**Co'tor Shas**

Good. Justice has been served.

**Hordini**

That's what he gets for being a fething idiot.

**Frazzled**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Good. Justice has been served.

Agreed 100%.