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 ClassicCarraway wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Boggy Man wrote:
The sad truth is, for anyone who truly loved what 40K used to be, it's already dead. The fact that it's still moving doesn't mean it's growing, that's just the parasites feasting off its ever shrinking bulk.

Also, Happy Earth Day!

Very true. It's dead to me and the magic is gone. It now just seems kind of silly to me.


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.


I love the setting, own 20k in models for 40k alone, and have been playing for 20 years. I still play specialist games and many of the Rpg's.
I haven't played 40k since jan this year though. The formations, allies, unbound, and everything else was getting to be too much. Sometimes I'll play an apoc game because it looks nice, but I'm playing another game while it is going on since turns can take an hour or more.
The magic is gone. I peak in (a recent codex almost got me playing again, but then Eldar happened so....).

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 ClassicCarraway wrote:


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.


For that small hope things that will change. So that maybe we could be voracious fan boys of the game, consuming all without need of willful naiveté or ignorance to the other opportunities in gaming and modeling. To enjoy that spark in a game that likely introduced us to pushing plastic men around a table with dice and tape measures.

Or simply to watch it all burn down. Some men...

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 ClassicCarraway wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Boggy Man wrote:
The sad truth is, for anyone who truly loved what 40K used to be, it's already dead. The fact that it's still moving doesn't mean it's growing, that's just the parasites feasting off its ever shrinking bulk.

Also, Happy Earth Day!

Very true. It's dead to me and the magic is gone. It now just seems kind of silly to me.


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.

Maybe I just love saying, "Because I don't have to explain myself to you."



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 MWHistorian wrote:
 ClassicCarraway wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Boggy Man wrote:
The sad truth is, for anyone who truly loved what 40K used to be, it's already dead. The fact that it's still moving doesn't mean it's growing, that's just the parasites feasting off its ever shrinking bulk.

Also, Happy Earth Day!

Very true. It's dead to me and the magic is gone. It now just seems kind of silly to me.


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.

Maybe I just love saying, "Because I don't have to explain myself to you."


That's a dodge right there. This question has always made me curious. The biggest haters and those that spew the most venom towards the game still actively hangout and spit their crap all over the most popular 40k forums. Why? If the game is no longer fun for you why do you spend time hanging out and bashing it? Why not just move on and enjoy another game and spend time on those forums?

 
   
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Radikus wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 ClassicCarraway wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Boggy Man wrote:
The sad truth is, for anyone who truly loved what 40K used to be, it's already dead. The fact that it's still moving doesn't mean it's growing, that's just the parasites feasting off its ever shrinking bulk.

Also, Happy Earth Day!

Very true. It's dead to me and the magic is gone. It now just seems kind of silly to me.


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.

Maybe I just love saying, "Because I don't have to explain myself to you."


That's a dodge right there. This question has always made me curious. The biggest haters and those that spew the most venom towards the game still actively hangout and spit their crap all over the most popular 40k forums. Why? If the game is no longer fun for you why do you spend time hanging out and bashing it? Why not just move on and enjoy another game and spend time on those forums?

It's a dodge because I've answered it eight billion times already.
I'm really curious about the state of affairs of 40k. I don't it want to see it go under unless there's someone willing and competent to snatch the IP up. I've played it for over twenty years and I want it to become the game I once loved, but with the terrible fluff and even worse rules, it tastes sour now. It's like an old friend that's now living in a crack house that you want to see get better but don't think they will.
I'm not a "hater" (see how apologist like to toss out the insults and assumptions?) I just think the game has some very serious problems that aren't being addressed. I call it "being truthful."
Now why don't you tell me all your motivations for why you post? Because that's completely relevant to the topic, isn't it?

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Yeah it winds me up when people say 'why are you posting if you don't play?' There's lots of reasons someone would, I've seen many people explain it many different times, what you're basically saying is 'stop posting if you've stopped playing' when actually, I can post where I want, and I don't have to explain why I post there, especially if you can't think of any reason that someone who used to play might still follow the game. I mean it's not exactly difficult.

Also, DakkaDakka isn't a 40k forum. It has lots of games on it.

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 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah it winds me up when people say 'why are you posting if you don't play?' There's lots of reasons someone would, I've seen many people explain it many different times, what you're basically saying is 'stop posting if you've stopped playing' when actually, I can post where I want, and I don't have to explain why I post there, especially if you can't think of any reason that someone who used to play might still follow the game. I mean it's not exactly difficult.

They're looking for excuses to dismiss opinions that differ from their own.



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 MWHistorian wrote:
 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah it winds me up when people say 'why are you posting if you don't play?' There's lots of reasons someone would, I've seen many people explain it many different times, what you're basically saying is 'stop posting if you've stopped playing' when actually, I can post where I want, and I don't have to explain why I post there, especially if you can't think of any reason that someone who used to play might still follow the game. I mean it's not exactly difficult.

They're looking for excuses to dismiss opinions that differ from their own.


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Maybe I am just trying to place logic on something that isn't logical (atleast to me). If I stopped playing and no longer found the game fun I wouldn't want to spend my time involved with aspects of it. I always find it odd that the people that pop up in random threads saying the game sucks in some capacity are the ones who don't play anymore. This goes beyond 40k and applies to pretty much every game I've ever played, tabletop to MMO. Why do people who so dislike a game stick around to make sure other people know how much it must suck because they don't like it? There are many reasons I am sure, and I feel fine about asking it. If anything it provides insight.

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Radikus wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 ClassicCarraway wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Boggy Man wrote:
The sad truth is, for anyone who truly loved what 40K used to be, it's already dead. The fact that it's still moving doesn't mean it's growing, that's just the parasites feasting off its ever shrinking bulk.

Also, Happy Earth Day!

Very true. It's dead to me and the magic is gone. It now just seems kind of silly to me.


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.

Maybe I just love saying, "Because I don't have to explain myself to you."


That's a dodge right there. This question has always made me curious. The biggest haters and those that spew the most venom towards the game still actively hangout and spit their crap all over the most popular 40k forums. Why? If the game is no longer fun for you why do you spend time hanging out and bashing it? Why not just move on and enjoy another game and spend time on those forums?


I can't speak for MWH but speaking as someone who is often seen ranting against it while I haven't played in close to 15 years, my reason is because I *want* to like the game again, so I keep at least somewhat up to date on what's going on since at least once a month lately I have the faint voice in my head telling me to pick up 40k again (not really, I'm not crazy lol). I live in an area where there's a healthy 40k community and I could get games. I know the fluff. I like the fluff. I like the figures. I flick through old White Dwarfs. I check the GW website every so often to look at the pretty figures.

But everything I read and everything I see just indicates the game is a pile of garbage with no thought to balance or anything other than pushing the next big thing to sell more models. The move to weekly White Dwarfs with "Buy this now now now before it's gone! get your wallets ready!" approaches, the power fluctuating, the rules in general adding more random crap instead of balanced rules and making it so some choices aren't total gak and other choices are amazeballs... that's why I complain, because I used to be a customer, I want to be a customer again, but the company's actions tells me that they don't want someone like me as a customer, because I care about a balanced game and don't want to be unduly punished if I, for example, think Warp Talons are awesome looking and want to use them when they're crap in the game.

I have very fond memories of the "old" GW and older editions of the game, and this thing now doesn't look or sound like the 40k I know and love, and at the current prices and with the current rules I don't want to necessarily invest the money to try it and see.

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Radikus wrote:
Maybe I am just trying to place logic on something that isn't logical (atleast to me). If I stopped playing and no longer found the game fun I wouldn't want to spend my time involved with aspects of it. I always find it odd that the people that pop up in random threads saying the game sucks in some capacity are the ones who don't play anymore. This goes beyond 40k and applies to pretty much every game I've ever played, tabletop to MMO. Why do people who so dislike a game stick around to make sure other people know how much it must suck because they don't like it? There are many reasons I am sure, and I feel fine about asking it. If anything it provides insight.


Its a pretty big investment for many people. Often to the tune of hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, an equivalent amount in hours spent reading, building, painting, and gaming, and the memories of games long past and friends they were enjoyed with.

I've stopped buying from GW, but I encourage my friends to pick up some sort of table top game. Some are leaning towards 40k, and I won't turn them away, but I'll lay out its advantages and disadvantages and point out alternatives. If they pick up, I get to play with a friend using a house ruled and heavily modified version of the game.

To that end, its still worth my time to keep up to date and learn what's hot and what's not. Its much easier to keep in touch than try and re-enter after several years of total ignorance.

I quit World of Tanks a few years ago due to balance issues, but since I had invested quite some money and time, and made a lot of friends, I still check the boards and ask around to see what's up with the game and what's changed.

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Radikus wrote:


Maybe I am just trying to place logic on something that isn't logical (atleast to me). If I stopped playing and no longer found the game fun I wouldn't want to spend my time involved with aspects of it. I always find it odd that the people that pop up in random threads saying the game sucks in some capacity are the ones who don't play anymore. This goes beyond 40k and applies to pretty much every game I've ever played, tabletop to MMO. Why do people who so dislike a game stick around to make sure other people know how much it must suck because they don't like it? There are many reasons I am sure, and I feel fine about asking it. If anything it provides insight.

The fact that you start with an insult shows that you have no desire to attempt to understand what the 'other side' thinks. That's not going to make a very two-sided discussion. Grow up.

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Radikus wrote:


Maybe I am just trying to place logic on something that isn't logical (atleast to me). If I stopped playing and no longer found the game fun I wouldn't want to spend my time involved with aspects of it. I always find it odd that the people that pop up in random threads saying the game sucks in some capacity are the ones who don't play anymore. This goes beyond 40k and applies to pretty much every game I've ever played, tabletop to MMO. Why do people who so dislike a game stick around to make sure other people know how much it must suck because they don't like it? There are many reasons I am sure, and I feel fine about asking it. If anything it provides insight.


Excellent mature start.

It's not just people who don't play who say negative things about the game, so that's your first mistake. Just as people can not play the game but see some positive aspects, people can also play the game and see negative aspects. Anyway, now you know why people still post when they don't play, so at least you don't have to ask anymore.

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One reason it's still around is because if you like larger battles and the Sci fi aesthetics of 40k, there isn't a good replacement. WMH has excellent rules but I have a very difficult time getting into the aesthetics and it doesn't scale very well past 50 points. I've painted 2 jacks and I'm already sick of painting WMH stuff. I could paint eldar all day every day and not get tired of it. The tedious movement rules and huge effect of terrain on the game relegate WMH to bland tables with felt representing different types of terrain. Despite how much better the rules are, it just seems bland compared to 40k.

Also, 40k is still far more ubiquitous than WMH. If I move to another city/state or travel for work, I am guaranteed to be able to easily find a place to play. If I play WMH, not so much. If I want a game of firestorm armada or drop zone commander, I might be totally out of luck unless I want to drive 2-4 hours to a group of 3-5 people playing it. Right now I can show up at any FLGS in Birmingham or Tuscaloosa and get a game of 40k within an hour. Only 2 stores in Bham and 1 in Tuscaloosa have any kind of WMH group and it's usually only weekends.
   
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 Toofast wrote:
One reason it's still around is because if you like larger battles and the Sci fi aesthetics of 40k, there isn't a good replacement. WMH has excellent rules but I have a very difficult time getting into the aesthetics and it doesn't scale very well past 50 points. I've painted 2 jacks and I'm already sick of painting WMH stuff. I could paint eldar all day every day and not get tired of it. The tedious movement rules and huge effect of terrain on the game relegate WMH to bland tables with felt representing different types of terrain. Despite how much better the rules are, it just seems bland compared to 40k.

Also, 40k is still far more ubiquitous than WMH. If I move to another city/state or travel for work, I am guaranteed to be able to easily find a place to play. If I play WMH, not so much. If I want a game of firestorm armada or drop zone commander, I might be totally out of luck unless I want to drive 2-4 hours to a group of 3-5 people playing it. Right now I can show up at any FLGS in Birmingham or Tuscaloosa and get a game of 40k within an hour. Only 2 stores in Bham and 1 in Tuscaloosa have any kind of WMH group and it's usually only weekends.

I hate the felt terrain I see in battle reports. Never seen it in real life though.
But the gameplay is not bland and the more you learn about it the more in-depth and thoughtful it gets.
Sometimes I get the impression (correct or not) that some people don't like other games because they're just not 40k. Open your horizons to new possibilities. (Not saying that's the case here, Toofast.)



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Oh yeah, and the reinforced platoon size of 40k in 28mm sci-fi is another thing keeping me around.

Thanks TooFast.

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 MWHistorian wrote:
Radikus wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 ClassicCarraway wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
 Boggy Man wrote:
The sad truth is, for anyone who truly loved what 40K used to be, it's already dead. The fact that it's still moving doesn't mean it's growing, that's just the parasites feasting off its ever shrinking bulk.

Also, Happy Earth Day!

Very true. It's dead to me and the magic is gone. It now just seems kind of silly to me.


If its dead to you and silly (and the magic is gone), then why do you continue to frequent forums threads dedicated to the game? Not trying to be mean or anything, but its obvious you still have more than just a passing interest in the game, so to say its dead and silly seems a bit disingenuous.

Maybe I just love saying, "Because I don't have to explain myself to you."


That's a dodge right there. This question has always made me curious. The biggest haters and those that spew the most venom towards the game still actively hangout and spit their crap all over the most popular 40k forums. Why? If the game is no longer fun for you why do you spend time hanging out and bashing it? Why not just move on and enjoy another game and spend time on those forums?

It's a dodge because I've answered it eight billion times already.
I'm really curious about the state of affairs of 40k. I don't it want to see it go under unless there's someone willing and competent to snatch the IP up. I've played it for over twenty years and I want it to become the game I once loved, but with the terrible fluff and even worse rules, it tastes sour now. It's like an old friend that's now living in a crack house that you want to see get better but don't think they will.
I'm not a "hater" (see how apologist like to toss out the insults and assumptions?) I just think the game has some very serious problems that aren't being addressed. I call it "being truthful."
Now why don't you tell me all your motivations for why you post? Because that's completely relevant to the topic, isn't it?


So then the game isn't really "dead" to you at all. My question was an honest one, not an attempt to label you a hater or anything.

As for why I post? Fair enough, I post because I still play (and enjoy) the game, and I like many of the things GW has done recently, but also dislike a few things. I often wish to partake in discussions about those things.

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So then the game isn't really "dead" to you at all. My question was an honest one, not an attempt to label you a hater or anything.

As for why I post? Fair enough, I post because I still play (and enjoy) the game, and I like many of the things GW has done recently, but also dislike a few things. I often wish to partake in discussions about those things.

I don't care about why you post. I said that it was irrelevant to the conversation and was trying to show you how useless it is to worry about such things.



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Not an offense, but a serious question. Why do people bother "checking in" to 40k even after they've quit for 3+ years, some of you said up to 15? I quit WoW years ago because it looked like it was going in a boring direction and I haven't checked in since.

I totally understand if 40k isn't your thing, but especially for you who checked out 5+ years ago, why bother to check in when it's obvious the game probably won't change if it hasnt after all this time?

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 MWHistorian wrote:
Radikus wrote:


Maybe I am just trying to place logic on something that isn't logical (atleast to me). If I stopped playing and no longer found the game fun I wouldn't want to spend my time involved with aspects of it. I always find it odd that the people that pop up in random threads saying the game sucks in some capacity are the ones who don't play anymore. This goes beyond 40k and applies to pretty much every game I've ever played, tabletop to MMO. Why do people who so dislike a game stick around to make sure other people know how much it must suck because they don't like it? There are many reasons I am sure, and I feel fine about asking it. If anything it provides insight.

The fact that you start with an insult shows that you have no desire to attempt to understand what the 'other side' thinks. That's not going to make a very two-sided discussion. Grow up.


It was an attempt at a joke for taking insult to the word "hater" in the first place. Clearly you are so deep in your salt mine that you want to take insult from anything I say. If anything your attitude explains why you are an assault cannon firing rounds of negativity.

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 MWHistorian wrote:
 Toofast wrote:
One reason it's still around is because if you like larger battles and the Sci fi aesthetics of 40k, there isn't a good replacement. WMH has excellent rules but I have a very difficult time getting into the aesthetics and it doesn't scale very well past 50 points. I've painted 2 jacks and I'm already sick of painting WMH stuff. I could paint eldar all day every day and not get tired of it. The tedious movement rules and huge effect of terrain on the game relegate WMH to bland tables with felt representing different types of terrain. Despite how much better the rules are, it just seems bland compared to 40k.

Also, 40k is still far more ubiquitous than WMH. If I move to another city/state or travel for work, I am guaranteed to be able to easily find a place to play. If I play WMH, not so much. If I want a game of firestorm armada or drop zone commander, I might be totally out of luck unless I want to drive 2-4 hours to a group of 3-5 people playing it. Right now I can show up at any FLGS in Birmingham or Tuscaloosa and get a game of 40k within an hour. Only 2 stores in Bham and 1 in Tuscaloosa have any kind of WMH group and it's usually only weekends.

I hate the felt terrain I see in battle reports. Never seen it in real life though.
But the gameplay is not bland and the more you learn about it the more in-depth and thoughtful it gets.
Sometimes I get the impression (correct or not) that some people don't like other games because they're just not 40k. Open your horizons to new possibilities. (Not saying that's the case here, Toofast.)


The game play isn't bland at all, it just isn't much to look at. When I show non gamers pics of my 40k games, if they have any nerd streak at all they start getting interested and asking questions about it. My fiance was the same way. "Oh those look so cool! That table is awesome, it looks like a bombed out city!" When I show them pics of WMH games, it's basically a non reaction. I have an entire Battlefoam 1520 XL with riser packed full of $1,700 worth of Cryx models so I'm not saying I hate it. 40k just scratches an itch that WMH never will, and vice versa. If PP made 40k quality models with aesthetics I liked, I would probably sell my marines and eldar. If GW made rules anywhere near the quality of WMH, I probably never would've bought any Cryx.
   
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 jreilly89 wrote:
Not an offense, but a serious question. Why do people bother "checking in" to 40k even after they've quit for 3+ years, some of you said up to 15? I quit WoW years ago because it looked like it was going in a boring direction and I haven't checked in since.

I totally understand if 40k isn't your thing, but especially for you who checked out 5+ years ago, why bother to check in when it's obvious the game probably won't change if it hasnt after all this time?


I've only been gone for a couple of months, but I do check into WoW from time to time. A while ago, I was really into the game, raided constantly, had a big guild going, and really enjoyed the game. After a few expansions I really lost interest. I still pop in now and again to see how it is going, and to see if the game improved. A year ago my friend got me a demo, and I didn't care about it. But every expansion I pop in and see what is going on with the game. I have family similar to league. They don't keep up with the games, they all have lost...I think its challenger?...status, but they keep up on the meta.

None of those games have cost me anywhere near as much as 40k, and 40k introduced me to a lot. I was into it before DnD.
That said, if you've invested money into the game you have a right to post here imo. That's probably my inner capitalist talking.
   
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Radikus wrote:
 MWHistorian wrote:
Radikus wrote:


Maybe I am just trying to place logic on something that isn't logical (atleast to me). If I stopped playing and no longer found the game fun I wouldn't want to spend my time involved with aspects of it. I always find it odd that the people that pop up in random threads saying the game sucks in some capacity are the ones who don't play anymore. This goes beyond 40k and applies to pretty much every game I've ever played, tabletop to MMO. Why do people who so dislike a game stick around to make sure other people know how much it must suck because they don't like it? There are many reasons I am sure, and I feel fine about asking it. If anything it provides insight.

The fact that you start with an insult shows that you have no desire to attempt to understand what the 'other side' thinks. That's not going to make a very two-sided discussion. Grow up.


It was an attempt at a joke for taking insult to the word "hater" in the first place. Clearly you are so deep in your salt mine that you want to take insult from anything I say. If anything your attitude explains why you are an assault cannon firing rounds of negativity.


"Assault cannon of negativity" is a great analogy . I mean, I agree with you Radikus, but there is really no point in arguing with people on this topic... I've also tried to figure out why people who do not play and seem to only gripe about 40K spend so much time on forums for it, seems like a waste of time to me. I don't like Bolt Action or Flames of War, so I spend 0 time paying them any heed.

At the end of the day, they can spend their time how they want. It's easiest to let people justify their fits and ignore it.

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 clamclaw wrote:

"Assault cannon of negativity" is a great analogy . I mean, I agree with you Radikus, but there is really no point in arguing with people on this topic... I've also tried to figure out why people who do not play and seem to only gripe about 40K spend so much time on forums for it, seems like a waste of time to me. I don't like Bolt Action or Flames of War, so I spend 0 time paying them any heed.

At the end of the day, they can spend their time how they want. It's easiest to let people justify their fits and ignore it.


Let's flip this then, how much have you invested in those other systems? Have you watched those games go from being a cherished hobby, to something where the parent company describes the hobby as "buying citadel minatures", where rules balance isn't on the company making the game but on the players who pay top dollar for the privilege of fixing it themselves. So fair enough you've got zero vested interest in the other systems, but it's an entirely different story when you have invested time, effort and money into it.

Which brings me onto another point, why focus this much on the part of the argument that is "I'm currently not playing" rather than the part of the argument that is "why is X a thing, why did they decide to give it Y rule when Z is functionally the same unit from another codex but has to make do with W"

But why do that when we could pat each other on the back by dismissing arguments based on whether people play the game currently

Brb learning to play.

 
   
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Jaxler wrote:

They've been doing this for like 10 years. It doesn't make sense to me.


They have been doing a lot longer then 10 years.

I think you mean unbalanced.

How do you know they only play test it for a day?

Expensive compared to what? Other table top games? Have you seen the miniatures of cheap table top games? No thank you.
But yes they are quite high in price, considering it may take a grand or 2 just to build a decent tournament army (that's if you were to buy from GW without any discounts and depending on point size)

 
   
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 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
 clamclaw wrote:

"Assault cannon of negativity" is a great analogy . I mean, I agree with you Radikus, but there is really no point in arguing with people on this topic... I've also tried to figure out why people who do not play and seem to only gripe about 40K spend so much time on forums for it, seems like a waste of time to me. I don't like Bolt Action or Flames of War, so I spend 0 time paying them any heed.

At the end of the day, they can spend their time how they want. It's easiest to let people justify their fits and ignore it.


Let's flip this then, how much have you invested in those other systems? Have you watched those games go from being a cherished hobby, to something where the parent company describes the hobby as "buying citadel minatures", where rules balance isn't on the company making the game but on the players who pay top dollar for the privilege of fixing it themselves. So fair enough you've got zero vested interest in the other systems, but it's an entirely different story when you have invested time, effort and money into it.

Which brings me onto another point, why focus this much on the part of the argument that is "I'm currently not playing" rather than the part of the argument that is "why is X a thing, why did they decide to give it Y rule when Z is functionally the same unit from another codex but has to make do with W"

But why do that when we could pat each other on the back by dismissing arguments based on whether people play the game currently


Well said.
   
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 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
 clamclaw wrote:

"Assault cannon of negativity" is a great analogy . I mean, I agree with you Radikus, but there is really no point in arguing with people on this topic... I've also tried to figure out why people who do not play and seem to only gripe about 40K spend so much time on forums for it, seems like a waste of time to me. I don't like Bolt Action or Flames of War, so I spend 0 time paying them any heed.

At the end of the day, they can spend their time how they want. It's easiest to let people justify their fits and ignore it.


Let's flip this then, how much have you invested in those other systems? Have you watched those games go from being a cherished hobby, to something where the parent company describes the hobby as "buying citadel minatures", where rules balance isn't on the company making the game but on the players who pay top dollar for the privilege of fixing it themselves. So fair enough you've got zero vested interest in the other systems, but it's an entirely different story when you have invested time, effort and money into it.

Which brings me onto another point, why focus this much on the part of the argument that is "I'm currently not playing" rather than the part of the argument that is "why is X a thing, why did they decide to give it Y rule when Z is functionally the same unit from another codex but has to make do with W"

But why do that when we could pat each other on the back by dismissing arguments based on whether people play the game currently


If I was invested in a hobby that went to utter gak, I would be more liable to separate myself from it. I can understand though that it would be painful to watch your favorite past time turn into something you hardly recognize, I appreciate you pointing that out in a civil manner.

At the end of the day, GW will do as they do regardless of our forum pow-wows debating their new rules. Eldar bikes are going to be broken? Probably, but the 5 or 6 threads on the front page are not going to change that. Is there a way to make GW listen and bring around more balanced books? I hope so, but I personally don't have the time or capital to make that influence real.
   
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 jreilly89 wrote:
Not an offense, but a serious question. Why do people bother "checking in" to 40k even after they've quit for 3+ years, some of you said up to 15? I quit WoW years ago because it looked like it was going in a boring direction and I haven't checked in since.

I totally understand if 40k isn't your thing, but especially for you who checked out 5+ years ago, why bother to check in when it's obvious the game probably won't change if it hasnt after all this time?


Hope that they get a clue. Like I said, I *want* to play again. I've come really close to ordering a couple hundred bucks of stuff. I know I could get games. But I want to make sure the game is worth my time. Call it a vain hope that some day GW wakes up, looks at their dropping sales and says "What the feth have we been doing? We need to fix this the right way"

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