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ATXMILEY wrote:
He was involved in the making of the Old republic; in addition in the remaster of the original triology, there were quite a few expanded universe references added

Yes, he added references to things from the EU that he liked, and ignored anything else. He didn't 'respect' the EU... He didn't even follow it. He stated in interviews that he had never read any of the EU material, and had no interest in it. As far as he was concerned, the EU wasn't 'his' Star Wars.





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 Compel wrote:
I'll hold my hands up, I've never seen the original version of Return of the Jedi.

But... Wasn't the original 'final song' some terrible ewok singalong kind of thing? (Yub-nub-eee-chop yub nub, aaah toe peech toe, eech eee keene).

Whereas, instead we got the 'Victory Celebration' which, personally, I find an amazing piece of music.

Personally, I liked the original music. RotJ being my least favourite of the 6 movies so far, though, the change didn't particularly bother me... but I don't think it really improved anything.

The fact that anyone can hold up the special edition of the original trilogy and say that George Lucas' work respected the EU is, quite frankly hilarious. The special edition, apart from having basically nothing to do with the EU, was an exercise in pointless changes for the sake of change and added nothing of value.

The fact that anyone thinks he respected the EU is quite frankly hilarious.

George Lucas hated his fans, and he hated them primarily because they came to love the EU far more than they loved his owns works (in his eyes anyway...). Lucas regularly ignored EU material, and even went so far as to retcon EU material fans liked out of spite. Hell he retconned his own material out of spite! Remember that whole "Han didn't shot first" thing? How slowed was that

ATXMILEY wrote:
What I see JJ Abrhams as

"I am a gakky ass movie maker that makes gakky movies that gets good ratings because well my movies are being judged by the standard of summer movies and I have every right to invalidate the stories of writers waaaaaaaaaay more talented then me"

I also think of the same for Dave Filoni

Personally, I prefer George Lucas because at least he respected the expanded universe more than them

Your opinion is noted. And laughed out of the thread!

I do however think that Timothy Zahn did a pretty admirable job dealing with this little fault with the end of ROTJ:

 -Shrike- wrote:
The fact that anyone can hold up the special edition of the original trilogy and say that George Lucas' work respected the EU is, quite frankly hilarious. The special edition, apart from having basically nothing to do with the EU, was an exercise in pointless changes for the sake of change and added nothing of value.

Eh, I liked some stuff in the Special Edition of the OT, like the added traffic on Bespin just to make Cloud City feel more "alive". Some of it was just an exercise of complete futility, like sticking random aliens into the travel to the Mos Eisley Cantina.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Eh, I liked some stuff in the Special Edition of the OT, like the added traffic on Bespin just to make Cloud City feel more "alive". Some of it was just an exercise of complete futility, like sticking random aliens into the travel to the Mos Eisley Cantina.

The revised Bespin scenes were probably the best example of tinkering done well... although having said that, I never really felt that the original scenes were as 'closed in' as George apparently did, so while they do enhance the movie somewhat and give Cloud City a much brighter, more open appearance, they still weren't really neccessary.


The one change that I would have been far more excited about would have been to re-shoot Obi-Wan and Vader's duel at the end of Ep 4 with a little more of the pizzaz that we got from the prequel duels. Use Ewan Macgregor with Alec Guiness' face stapled on digitally, and that scene could be all sorts of awesome.

 insaniak wrote:


The one change that I would have been far more excited about would have been to re-shoot Obi-Wan and Vader's duel at the end of Ep 4 with a little more of the pizzaz that we got from the prequel duels. Use Ewan Macgregor with Alec Guiness' face stapled on digitally, and that scene could be all sorts of awesome.

Nooooo! That scene is perfect for what it is, two old warriors testing each other, both knowing how it will end. We don't need any silly backflips or spins or trick moves!

I have to say, though, that I do regard the Special Edition Star Wars as the definitive/best versions. While there are a couple of bits that bug me (Han shooting second, Boba with Jango's voice), the overall visual improvements are excellent. I've no time for the blu-ray ones, though, as that's just change for change's sake. If I could get the SEs on BR, though, I certainly would.

 Paradigm wrote:

Nooooo! That scene is perfect for what it is, two old warriors...

Except , thanks to the prequels , they're not. At the time of that duel , Obi Wan is in his late 50s, and Anakin his early 40s... While Anakin is conceivably (and inconsistently in the EU) slowed down somewhat by his injuries, neither of them are old enough by Jedi or Sith standards to be that useless with a sword.

 insaniak wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

Nooooo! That scene is perfect for what it is, two old warriors...

Except , thanks to the prequels , they're not. At the time of that duel , Obi Wan is in his late 50s, and Anakin his early 40s... While Anakin is conceivably (and inconsistently in the EU) slowed down somewhat by his injuries, neither of them are old enough by Jedi or Sith standards to be that useless with a sword.

1. Alex Guinness was no spring chicken when he did it.
2. The sword duel represented masters fighting, not journeyman knights. Flashy is for the young. Killy, is for the skilled.

Due you think Musashi is going to get all "flashy" or just kill you?

Frankly I like the sword fight in ESB the best. Menacing. controlled. The prequels were continuous and boring.

 Frazzled wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

Nooooo! That scene is perfect for what it is, two old warriors...

Except , thanks to the prequels , they're not. At the time of that duel , Obi Wan is in his late 50s, and Anakin his early 40s... While Anakin is conceivably (and inconsistently in the EU) slowed down somewhat by his injuries, neither of them are old enough by Jedi or Sith standards to be that useless with a sword.

1. Alex Guinness was no spring chicken when he did it.
2. The sword duel represented masters fighting, not journeyman knights. Flashy is for the young. Killy, is for the skilled.

Due you think Musashi is going to get all "flashy" or just kill you?

Frankly I like the sword fight in ESB the best. Menacing. controlled. The prequels were continuous and boring.

I agree with ESB having the best duel, although Luke vs Vader Round 2 in RotJ is very close. And I do love Maul vs Obi-wan and Qui-gon in TPM, just the right mix of flashy and feeling. Compare any of those to, say, the final duel in RotS, which is all style and no substance, and I definitely hope the new trilogy gets back to the former.

Yes, make it look awesome, but it still needs to mean something and make sense. Half the strikes in the RotS fight weren't even going in the tight direction to actually wound the other guy whether he blocked or not.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I do however think that Timothy Zahn did a pretty admirable job dealing with this little fault with the end of ROTJ:

That's just another reason why the original cut of ROTJ is better than the special edition. In the original all we see are the Rebels and Ewoks celebrating, which makes sense as they've just won the battle of Endor. There's nothing there to imply that the entire war is already won, just that with the Emperor, Darth Vader and Piett dead and the Death Star destroyed they've scored a colossal victory, even bigger than at the end of A New Hope. Given time they'll be able to defeat the remaining forces of the Imperial Navy, especially as they're likely to get more defectors now that the fear of Vader and the Emperor is gone, but it'll still be a hard fight.

Compare that to the special edition and suddenly we have the streets of Coruscant, the capital of the whole Empire, thronged with people celebrating the Emperors death. Apparently the Imperial Navy couldn't even maintain order on the capital, where it's presence will be huge, for a single day after the Emperor died. In which case how the hell did the Empire even survive this long if the commanders of the armed forces are so inept and incapable of maintaining order?


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 Paradigm wrote:


Yes, make it look awesome, but it still needs to mean something and make sense. Half the strikes in the RotS fight weren't even going in the tight direction to actually wound the other guy whether he blocked or not.

Not to mention this piece of idiocy:



Honestly, whilst Anakin is waving his lightsaber around like an imbecile Obi-Wan could've just run him through instead of mirroring him. And just look at their stances! No semblance of balance or centre of gravity, you could just give either one a little shove and it'd get them flat on their backs.

Compare that to Luke vs Vader in both Empire and Jedi. Luke fights from a proper fencing stance, legs apart at an angle for balance making him very difficult to knock over.


Obi-Wan and Anakin were trained at the Jedi academy by other Jedi, possibly including Mace Windu, so you'd expect them to have better technique than Luke, who is almost entirely self taught.