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 sebster wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Maybe it is true,maybe it is embellished and part true.

Yeah, maybe his story is embellished. But to dismiss all such claims, to claim that the experiences of many millions of black people that they are targeted because of their race... well that's another thing entirely. I don't think you or anyone else saying that all those stories are embellished. As such the problem has to be recognised.


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 djones520 wrote:
And it is wrong... but how do we combat that? It's a lot deeper of an issue then "he's black, so we've gotta be dicks, because white power." Even if it was just that, stomping out racism... just doesn't work. A society can change the norms over time regarding it, but it is not an overnight fix, and acting in a manner which draws negative attention to yourself isn't going to help the slow fix.

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think we've talked before about the combative stance of BLM probably hurts more than it helps. What's needed is outreach.

Perhaps a few years ago there was a general ignoring of the issue, and so the attention seeking and aggressive approach of BLM worked. But now everyone is recognising the problem, so maybe it's time for BLM to change its approach.

The topic of raising awareness always reminds me of Doug Stanhope's bit, spoilered for NSFW language.

So I guess no one ever showed up? Looks like it turned out to be a non-issue.

Thankfully.

Nope... there were large groups (Minutemen, etc...) open caring. No issues that I could see.

 whembly wrote:
Nope... there were large groups (Minutemen, etc...) open caring. No issues that I could see.

I've seen photos of what looks like a couple thousand Bikers For Trump there too. Kind of like Patriot Guard Riders (and have a lot of the same folks involved in both).

 djones520 wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Now I'm not saying this list is authoritative. Other media agencies have different numbers(such as total killed), but none that I've found made the effort to describe the situation involved with each one. Even acknowledging some variance in the numbers, I find it really hard to believe that such a small number of unarmed black people being shot by police when they were not posing a threat to anyone, to be worth everything we are going through.

Shootings by police certainly cause the issue to spark, but it isn't just about shootings, but about being pulled over more often, being searched more often and so on.

If I'd been stopped seven times in a single year, and most of those times were just because I was driving a nicer car than people assume my skin colour should have, then I'd be annoyed enough to march, whether it was 1, 16 or 1,600 people that got pointlessly shot. And by the way, that story of being stopped seven times comes from the personal experience of South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, a Republican.

And it is wrong... but how do we combat that? It's a lot deeper of an issue then "he's black, so we've gotta be dicks, because white power." Even if it was just that, stomping out racism... just doesn't work. A society can change the norms over time regarding it, but it is not an overnight fix, and acting in a manner which draws negative attention to yourself isn't going to help the slow fix.

I'd be interested to know if it's really that common these days to get pulled over for being black in a nice car or if that's just an oddity.

At the end of the day, police should be interacting with different races according to how much crime those races commit. If blacks are committing more crimes, it's not racist that cops should have higher black statistics. Likewise, if you get a report that a certain model car car has been stolen and a witness says it was a black male, it'd be stupid to pull over a bunch of white females driving that model of car just to fill up your equal race and sex quota for the day.

No one cares or considers it sexist against men that account for 94% of people killed by the police because we just assume it's the men doing the bad stuff.

An interesting thought is 26% of people shot by police are black, yet blacks account for 47% of homicide offenders. Obviously I'm not saying that is THE key statistic or anything, but it's an interesting thought none the less.