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2017/02/25 03:57:17
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Joyboozer, you did read the first line of my post, right 
The models from Load are really good for the price - I've got a pic where I'm holding one that I'll try to post. Doesn't mean you should forget their history, but if you preorder this new AvP edition via PayPal you can easily get your money back if they don't deliver.
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2017/02/25 05:44:28
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Norn Queen
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I like the look of this. I'd never pre-order given Prodos reputation, but a local stockist is getting it with a pretty nice discount. I'd gladly buy this if I see it on the shelf, maybe even with a few of the expansion packs like the Predalien and facehuggers for some variety.
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2017/02/25 07:20:27
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Expendable Defender Destroid Rookie
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Not going to pre-order, but will check out the rulebook and/or let's play videos. If it's good and my FLGS gets it stock, may pick it up then. I have fond memories of playing AvP on the Atari Jaguar.
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2017/02/25 10:32:33
Subject: Re:AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah,
Let's not forget that Prodos hate Dakkanauts and said we are a cestpit of bile...
Obviously they said these things after they charmed our pants off and took our money.
So now we have no pants, no money and no AVPs....
Why are they not here right now answering questions?
Any other company would be here right now answering questions?
Panic...
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2017/02/25 11:20:07
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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 Ctaylor wrote:Not going to pre-order, but will check out the rulebook and/or let's play videos. If it's good and my FLGS gets it stock, may pick it up then. I have fond memories of playing AvP on the Atari Jaguar.
When in doubt, slap a skin on it.
"The wargame rules have great potential to expand gameplay for AVP. The rules are smart, well organized, and perfectly suited to bring AVP to the tabletop. However, the BETA rules fall short in all the areas where it counts: 1. The rules don’t directly support three player games, 2. The rules share nothing meaningful with the boardgame, 3. Missions lack an appropriate theme; and until an AVP version is released, resource cards and the Advanced Combat Deck will suffer from the same thing."
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1706984/wargame-rules-beta-depth-review
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2017/02/25 13:06:44
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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 RiTides wrote:We're getting a little far afield, but the Load board game delivered just fine. I split a pledge for it, and the models are just like the pictures. Pretty darn good for the price.
The company definitely has gotten better at following through, hopefully they'll make good on their original customers, too.
Better? Then they offered Space Crusade for pre-order with delivery in the summer of 2016...
So 1 for 2 success for their efforts in that time frame.
Not really 'better' in my book.
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2017/02/25 17:25:26
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Dakka Veteran
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So glad I passed on avp in its final seconds of the ks... The minis looked great, they look of great quality, but it sucks to see fellow hobbyists who don't have their product several years later. Not a big deal if they put backers first and deliver, like kingdom death. It is a big deal when the company continues to make other projects, take orders from each, and not totally deliver on any of the projects. This almost makes it appear they are borrowing from "Peter to pay paul" if you get my drift.
I actually prefer the first edition minis. They were less cluttered, and they added alot to the hobby (basing, assembly, customizing, etc). These look overcrowded. Maybe folks will be selling their 1st edition sets for cheap. If prodos releases an update kit, I may still be interested in a 1st edition retail set. The 2nd edition sets look nice for board gamers, who won't paint their minis, don't want to assemble them, etc.
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IN ALAE MORTIS... On the wings of Death!! |
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2017/02/25 17:55:07
Subject: Re:AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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2017/02/25 20:40:24
Subject: Re:AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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I have the KS stuff that I received up in the Sell/ trade area of the forum- All you need and a bag of chips. (Shameless self promotion and bikini clad dancers)
$350.00 USD You get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing... 
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2017/02/25 21:05:04
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I got all my pledge so far barring cloaked preds because they are not finished yet. There are ways to get your stuff which they have posted time and again
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2017/02/25 21:10:07
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Helpful Sophotect
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nagash42 wrote:I got all my pledge so far barring cloaked preds because they are not finished yet. There are ways to get your stuff which they have posted time and again
Well, I got absolutely nothing, so...
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2017/02/25 21:12:42
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Pustulating Plague Priest
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mrondeau wrote:nagash42 wrote:I got all my pledge so far barring cloaked preds because they are not finished yet. There are ways to get your stuff which they have posted time and again
Well, I got absolutely nothing, so...
Well, as nagash42 suggested, that's totally your fault!
In the normal world, I am well aware it's totally not you fault, it's disgusting you should have to jump through hoops to get your stuff.
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2017/02/26 00:14:00
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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nagash42 wrote:I got all my pledge so far barring cloaked preds because they are not finished yet. There are ways to get your stuff which they have posted time and again
Yes, if you give them more money they may or may not actually send the stuff you paid for years ago. What a deal!
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2017/02/26 01:00:29
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Dankhold Troggoth
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That's enough back and forth, please - let's stick to discussion of news and rumors relating to AvP or the companies involved in it...
Thanks all
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2017/03/27 14:15:08
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Got my Pre order from Produs today and I must say I am very impressed and happy with everything I've seen. All the miniatures come in a bespoke foam so it's all very tidy. Card stock is nice and thick by the look of it and if the models I have here are a standard example of UNICAST then I have found my favourite material. The figures are all one piece which are as detailed as resin with undercuts and not a single miscast or a single mole line in sight, makes me look forward to the UNICAST miniatures for the relic knights game. This was my first order via Produs Games and will be happy to order from them again!
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2017/03/27 14:19:18
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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A few folks on BGG reported getting multiple broken figures, even with the foam insert.
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2017/03/27 14:25:39
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mine have been perfectly fine !!
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2017/03/27 14:29:23
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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 CptJake wrote:A few folks on BGG reported getting multiple broken figures, even with the foam insert.
Where at? I can't find much discussion at all in the AVP forums.
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2017/03/27 15:10:06
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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 judgedoug wrote: CptJake wrote:A few folks on BGG reported getting multiple broken figures, even with the foam insert.
Where at? I can't find much discussion at all in the AVP forums.
A couple different guys mention it in the comments of the image here: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3480051/alien-vs-predator-hunt-begins
I thought I read a couple similar comments somewhere in the forums but may be mistaken.
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2017/03/27 17:53:54
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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LOAD boardgame had some broken mini's. I guess Prodos is still finding out what miniatures they can and cannot make with the Unicast technology (eg. how thin parts can be on a miniature).
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/195547/load-league-ancient-defenders/forums/0
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2017/03/27 23:45:39
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Norn Queen
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Normally you'd think a company would do significant R&D when they claim to have found the second coming of resin casting technology before rushing it to production...
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2017/03/27 23:47:47
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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 -Loki- wrote:
Normally you'd think a company would do significant R&D when they claim to have found the second coming of resin casting technology before rushing it to production...
Well Prodos isn't exactly a bastion of truth, morality and integrity.
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2017/03/28 02:50:52
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's not even that. Some parts are just easily broken. Like Jasco ( http://www.miniaturemarket.com/pic101716.html). When I got her, her rifle part was broken in the packaging. Prodos sent out another part to me and that was fine.
It really depends on how carefully the mail handles the packages and it's got nothing to do with the technology.
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2017/03/28 09:14:28
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
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Sining wrote:It's not even that. Some parts are just easily broken. Like Jasco ( http://www.miniaturemarket.com/pic101716.html). When I got her, her rifle part was broken in the packaging. Prodos sent out another part to me and that was fine. It really depends on how carefully the mail handles the packages and it's got nothing to do with the technology.
I don't buy that for a minute. When you ship the minis in a custom for tray (like they did for LOAD and are for AvP v2) it is either piss poor quality control, gakky design, or a combination of the two to have one set with 3-5 broken figures as folks are reporting. Especially as both those games are marketed towards board gamers who expect figures robust enough to use and thought they were getting one piece figures in one piece. The cost to send out the replacements alone is reason enough to unfuck themselves and design figures that can survive being shipped in a custom foam tray and/or use a material which resists breakage.
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2017/03/28 14:28:47
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's up to you to decide what you want to believe. By your logic, when you pack miniatures in foam bags and bring it on aeroplanes, no one should have ever broken any miniatures before?
I mean, this is resin we're talking about, not boardgame plastic.
There's a certain degree of 'this is prodos fault' that can be expected but you're basically blaming them for resin being more fragile than boardgame plastic (for some reason as if this is specifically their fault) and handling issues.
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2017/03/28 14:47:48
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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No, I'm blaming them for poor quality control and marketing boardgames with materials and/or designs which do not stand up to shipping to customers.
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2017/03/28 15:04:43
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So...you've never had something break in transit to you before? I've ordered stuff from puppetswar before and I received it broken in the package, should I blame them for making products with materials that can't stand up to shipping to customers as well? Mantic as well.
I mean, they advertise it as Resin and you are getting resin. And as far as I know, they're replacing the parts that are broken.
Sounds like you're just complaining for the sound of complaining
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2017/03/28 15:35:30
Subject: AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sining wrote:So...you've never had something break in transit to you before? I've ordered stuff from puppetswar before and I received it broken in the package, should I blame them for making products with materials that can't stand up to shipping to customers as well? Mantic as well.
I mean, they advertise it as Resin and you are getting resin. And as far as I know, they're replacing the parts that are broken.
Sounds like you're just complaining for the sound of complaining
Given that Prodos are dishonest con artists with the integrity and morality of a 3 dollar whore, that are run/owned by a proven liar who has only a passing acquaintance with the truth/reality, you can see why giving the the benefit of the doubt would be a bit silly.
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2017/03/28 15:54:04
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Painting Within the Lines
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I picked up a copy at Adepticon. Perfectly fine as well.
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2017/03/28 16:31:57
Subject: Re:AvP The Hunt Begins 2E Pre-Order ... KS backers still waiting for 1E rewards ..
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I feel for all you guys that got screwed by Prodos. It is obvious that they must be having financial problems. I do think that this second edition is a good thing though. Right now Ninja Division is selling AVP 2nd edition, so I don't know if they just have the rights to distribute it, or it is a collaboration, or if they just own Prodos outright. I hope it is a sign of things to come.
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