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Was interested to see if this would really take off in the last 48 the way Joan of Arc and some other games do. The answer would seem to be no. It just doesn't create that "MUST HAVE IT" feeling in people. And the huge amount of competition this year probably isn't helping either.

Weren't there something like 6000 early bird backers at one point? Now they are down to 3700.

I'm tempted to get the core plus all three Africa expansions, because I love Solomon Kane, and many of the miniatures look very nice. I'm also tempted to drop down to a dollar and see if another KS campaign (like Death May Die) better catches my fancy.

What do you think the chances are I could sell off everything but the minis to a purist gamer looking for a heavily curated narrative game? I'm guessing my chances are pretty low...
I really just want the minis.


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The core pledge comes with 27 (likely 29 by the end of the campaign) board tiles. The tiles don't interlock nor are they intended to lay next to each other, each is just a one off standalone tile. That is a lot of carboard.

Definitely low and I thought some setups had a few tiles next to each other? And plenty of BGG'ers are passing on the gameplay.

 Gallahad wrote:
Weren't there something like 6000 early bird backers at one point? Now they are down to 3700.

I'm tempted to get the core plus all three Africa expansions, because I love Solomon Kane, and many of the miniatures look very nice. I'm also tempted to drop down to a dollar and see if another KS campaign (like Death May Die) better catches my fancy.

What do you think the chances are I could sell off everything but the minis to a purist gamer looking for a heavily curated narrative game? I'm guessing my chances are pretty low...
I really just want the minis.


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The core pledge comes with 27 (likely 29 by the end of the campaign) board tiles. The tiles don't interlock nor are they intended to lay next to each other, each is just a one off standalone tile. That is a lot of carboard.

I'm guessing there won't be much interest in the game itself (for the purpose of playing it) without the minis, at least not at a nice return. On the other hand, all the map tiles from the core and three expansions, that's a lot of maps. You'd think you could get at least $40 on eBay if properly presented and perhaps price-anchored to the ridiculously expensive Pathfinder map tiles that people buy.

The tiles are modular and are designed to interlock no matter which way you turn them. So if you have a game system that uses areas, I suppose you can use SK map tiles with it quite easily?

 Col Hammer wrote:
The tiles are modular and are designed to interlock no matter which way you turn them. So if you have a game system that uses areas, I suppose you can use SK map tiles with it quite easily?

Is that info from one of their live streams? I don't doubt you know better than me, just curious about how they choose to release information.

A $40 bump from reselling the tiles might be enough for me to grab the base plus three expansions...

But I decided to drop my pledge from EB+ expansion down to a dollar. I'll see if something changes by the time the pm closes.

Yes, I've been following the lives. They explained the maps in one of the Q&A live sessions.

The maps are modular and each act that has map, has it built from 1-4 (or more) map pieces. The map can be one long string, square, L-shaped or whatever shaped and the map pieces can link together on any side against any side.

The reason there is so many map pieces is because they are themed: some are forest maps or beach maps or tunnels or inside houses or jungles and so on and so forth... The maps are double sided. The areas in the maps are different shaped, unique shapes to each map piece.

I dropped my pledge to $1, not really excited by the gameplay much and already have a bunch of co op games in my collection and other co op stuff backed on KS that I think will see far more play than this. Might hop on the pledge manager later on down the road, mostly for some of the miniatures if I have any spare cash when that time comes.

One hour left to go. This one has followed a really interesting trajectory.




Hopefully I'll find a bunch of money laying around to pick up the expansions I want when the pm comes around. I think Mythic and others underestimate the number of people who back their projects for the miniatures, and view a good game as a bonus if it turns out fun. I would bet a big chunk of JOA backers are there to pick up a slew of nice 15mm historicals.

And it's done! 7,161 backers pledged $1,173,363.

Also, a teaser for the next Mythic Games game: "Project Coconut"

 Gallahad wrote:

Hopefully I'll find a bunch of money laying around to pick up the expansions I want when the pm comes around. I think Mythic and others underestimate the number of people who back their projects for the miniatures, and view a good game as a bonus if it turns out fun. I would bet a big chunk of JOA backers are there to pick up a slew of nice 15mm historicals.

This is probably one reason that minis games excel on Kickstarter, you can always see the miniatures during the campaign. You can't truly judge a game without playing it, and playing once you understand the rules, not just a learning game. And frankly, miniature gamers aren't quite the nitpicking, know-it-alls that Eurogamers are, different personality distribution, so you can sell them a little easier on taking a chance. With Joan of Arc, I don't know if I'll care at all about the game itself, but I'm going to receive a complete set of Medieval minis that I can play army scale games with using all kinds of historical rule sets. Hopefully this will be a lesson to them, sell to minis gamers, and make sure you get one mini per dollar on that core pledge (at least at Warhammer scale). If this game had 40 more miniatures of pirates, guards, general personalities, etc. it would have sold a lot more on sheer value.

I´m glad that in the end this KS isn´t a complete miss and that MG got their playerbase.


@frankelee: You are right. For miniature games the actual game is mostly an afterthought, people want the plastic. Like for JoA you got a 15mm sandbox for your own ideas with the KS and maybe the game itself is a nice addition. (So far it looks fine to me.) So SK is kind of ambivalent. It has unique playstyle, could be pretty immersive and relies heavily on its many cards for the game mechanics. A lot of the value is in the actual game, but it is also labelled as an miniature game, where the biggest pile of plastic rules.
I hope MG got the right conclusions from this campaign and use them in the next.

I was debating going in for $1 but I only want some of the expansions. Maybe if, for some reason, this blows up in popularity after shipping ala Mythic Battles they'll do a reprint kser but I'm not holding my breath.

As for the next game, I have no interest in weird war 2 so its an easy pass.

I wanted to get in but had to settle for a PM spot, maybe i'll be able to convince myself to buy in then

(and if not maybe I'll be able to get the 2 African expansions without the game)

frankelee wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:

Hopefully I'll find a bunch of money laying around to pick up the expansions I want when the pm comes around. I think Mythic and others underestimate the number of people who back their projects for the miniatures, and view a good game as a bonus if it turns out fun. I would bet a big chunk of JOA backers are there to pick up a slew of nice 15mm historicals.

This is probably one reason that minis games excel on Kickstarter, you can always see the miniatures during the campaign. You can't truly judge a game without playing it, and playing once you understand the rules, not just a learning game. And frankly, miniature gamers aren't quite the nitpicking, know-it-alls that Eurogamers are, different personality distribution, so you can sell them a little easier on taking a chance. With Joan of Arc, I don't know if I'll care at all about the game itself, but I'm going to receive a complete set of Medieval minis that I can play army scale games with using all kinds of historical rule sets. Hopefully this will be a lesson to them, sell to minis gamers, and make sure you get one mini per dollar on that core pledge (at least at Warhammer scale). If this game had 40 more miniatures of pirates, guards, general personalities, etc. it would have sold a lot more on sheer value.

Interestingly, when they first sent out the email for the final stretch goal (Solomon with N'Longa's staff) it listed $2million as the goal to unlock it, so I would say they came up about $850k short of expectations. Maybe it was just an innocent typo, but it seems unlikely they were gunning for $1.1 million with all the work the put into the campaign before hand.

I agree they would have raised a lot more money if the core was more competitive from a minis only standpoint. As you say Frank, the actual game experience is the hardest to judge without actually playing it. I also think they would have gotten more mileage with three individual sculpts per Mook (and cutting elsewhere). Only two sculpts per Mook isn't quite enough to make them visually appealing on the table in a group, but 3 somehow seems to be the magic number.

The $2M was and innocent typo because there was no way they would raise $800K in the last 45 minutes. I was watching the Live when it happened and they quickly corrected it. They intended to type $1.2M.

So, after all my indecision I decided to pledge for the core set. I figured with all the minis and stretch goals I could gamble $110 on the game play.

 Myrthe wrote:
The $2M was and innocent typo because there was no way they would raise $800K in the last 45 minutes. I was watching the Live when it happened and they quickly corrected it. They intended to type $1.2M.

So, after all my indecision I decided to pledge for the core set. I figured with all the minis and stretch goals I could gamble $110 on the game play.

I would bet they already had all the stretch goal graphics ready to go long before hand. I was only wondering if they had prepared it with the 2000k text.

Before the KS started, preparing the SG's for up to 2 million was realistic enough I suppose. But they were prepared to adjust the SG's as needed as well. They lowered back to 10K gaps when the pace stalled and stayed there for quite some time. I think the last SG as 2 million was propably right if the gaps were done like in a "normal" KS.

Leo said in the live that they released all of the SG's they had wanted to release even if the adjusting of the gaps was needed. I believe him as when you watch the SG's you can see where they did combine some SG's together where they would have been separate SG's if the funding had gone higher.

I'm happy at the end result. Unlike some (all?) of the Dakkaites here, I pledged for the game as well as the minis, so I think I got the moneys worth out of my pledge. With the caveat of that I will know surely only after I actually try the game, naturally. Worth the gamble to me anyway.

Wierd world war 2 is right up to my alley, so I will follow the Coconut Project with a keen interest. Leo said that Mythic games want to try different kind of things with each of their games, so the next one will be a fast paced co-op fighting game. The game will be offically introduced at Gen-Con, so then we will know a bit more (like what it will be really called).

I got the all-in because I too figured I would really enjoy the gameplay, and that it would make a fun, narrative, solo game. But if the setting didn't appeal to my Oldhammer loving sensibilities, and it wasn't Mythic, I probably would have passed, because of the value. I love Weird War 2 stuff as well (I own almost one of everything from Dust before Babylon came out), but after this game I'm not going to pre-sell myself on it with excitement. Gonna hold it at arm's length and not decide I have to have it until the end of the campaign when I can fully see what the deal is.

 Gallahad wrote:

 Myrthe wrote:
The $2M was and innocent typo because there was no way they would raise $800K in the last 45 minutes. I was watching the Live when it happened and they quickly corrected it. They intended to type $1.2M.

So, after all my indecision I decided to pledge for the core set. I figured with all the minis and stretch goals I could gamble $110 on the game play.

I would bet they already had all the stretch goal graphics ready to go long before hand. I was only wondering if they had prepared it with the 2000k text.

It was just a typo. The SG template is prepared in advance but filled in when the update is being prepared.