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 Weazel wrote:
People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.

10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.

Not saying they are OP. But if they cost same and are otherwise identical to others but have chainsword that's silly. They would be original unit+1 which is just bad game design.

tneva82 wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.

10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.

Not saying they are OP. But if they cost same and are otherwise identical to others but have chainsword that's silly. They would be original unit+1 which is just bad game design.

Well, I never said they should get the CS for free. I just want them to be able to fill out the same role as Grey Hunters, otherwise I'm just not going to bother with any Primaris at all. I want to go full primaris or none at all. Mixing oldmarines and numarines just looks too goofy.

Ragnar69 wrote:
I guess the Murderfang datasheet will not be in the Code, instead we get a no-name WUlfen dread with the same model.

Keep in mind that the old SW upgrade sprue with frostaxe/sword was already designed for Primaris. The hands holding the weapons are noticably bigger than standard marine hands.

Look like we are getting a Primaris upgrade sprue similiar to the BA one but with also a chest piece.

Hard to say if we'll keep murderfang or not, I could see them keeping murderfang distinct. on the other hand if murderfang is simply replaced with a wulfen dread, and additional options are given I won't consider murderfang's dissappering a great loss,

drbored wrote:
The Genestealer Cult stuff is looking good though. Those Aberrants look cool and I'll be interested to see where the gunslinger guy fits in. The paintjob on those minis is pretty atrocious though. It feels really rushed and flat...

Yes, but... with a more realistic paintjob the Abominant and the more misshapen heads in the Aberrant box looking at those models would be like a trip through the collection in the cellars of a pathology. They have the potential to look really disturbing.

Intercessors with Chainswords would put them in the "I might consider taking those category" as opposed to the who cares category they are in now.

Not sure if we've seen this yet

Price is apparently going to be £90 according to my online supplier (so a bit of extra discount compared to 2x Start Collecting)

I was expecting £95 to put it inline with Forgebane so happy with £90 as intend to pick up 2 or 3 to finish off my GSC infantry (still need a couple more trucks). Glad I held off on buying the hybrids I needed now.

It will still be $160 in the US. GW has increased their exchange rates despite the pound falling. Fortunately I found an online retailer that will sell from UK to the US, just gotta order enough for the free shipping.

Thank god that SW is releasing before Brexit.. time to dust off my half ready army and stack some stuff up before its to late.

Well, at least there seems to be no Russ, so that is good news. And GSC models are lovely, though the old regular genestealers start to look pretty crappy next to them.

This being a primaris release makes it pretty worthless to me.

hobojebus wrote:
This being a primaris release makes it pretty worthless to me.

If you think there ever will be a normal Marines release again, you just don't want to face the truth.

If you think there ever will be a normal Marines release again, you just don't want to face the truth.

This.

Not much exciting stuff in this box, although it would be nice to finally get a Redemptor.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
This being a primaris release makes it pretty worthless to me.

If you think there ever will be a normal Marines release again, you just don't want to face the truth.

You think after 2 decades that I need new releases?

hobojebus wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
This being a primaris release makes it pretty worthless to me.

If you think there ever will be a normal Marines release again, you just don't want to face the truth.

You think after 2 decades that I need new releases?

Well, if you don't need any new release, any possible new release would be pretty worthless for you, wouldn't it?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
At least its not more Super Wolf Wolf Wolf nonsense or a Wolfen Dreadnought that is partially covered in fur ....or some similar BS.

They already have that, so why do it again?

Technically all we have is classic wolf nonsense. Now that Primaris and Primarchs are a thing, we could have all new embiggened wolf nonsense.

It's a valid concern both because Marines basically got rebooted and the reboot could go anywhere, including rehashing what we already have, and because Primaris happen to be a good thing for the vikings not werewolves Space Wolves fans, what with their plain design and all that going against the last ten years of Space Wolves design.

 Albertorius wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
This being a primaris release makes it pretty worthless to me.

If you think there ever will be a normal Marines release again, you just don't want to face the truth.

You think after 2 decades that I need new releases?

Well, if you don't need any new release, any possible new release would be pretty worthless for you, wouldn't it?

#banter

hobojebus wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
This being a primaris release makes it pretty worthless to me.

If you think there ever will be a normal Marines release again, you just don't want to face the truth.

You think after 2 decades that I need new releases?

you just explained why we have primaris marines.

Weazel wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Weazel wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
So the SW upgrade sprue has a single chainsword and no power/frost sword? If SW intercessors can take chainswords each and a Power/Frost weapon on sarge I'm going to go full primaris. If not, I'll probably just stick with Grey Hunters. So sad if GW botched this chance to really push the intercessor kit to SW players.

so in other words "if intercessotrs are completely OP..."

Umm in what universe would an extra attack per Intercessor make them OP? As far as I understand they are not considered very competitive at the moment.

How much would you up the cost or what you would take away to make sure wolf interceptors aren't just interceptors+1?

Well make it +1p for a Chainsword. +3p for a Powersword on sarge. I mean DA sarge can take a powersword, why the heck can a frigging SW pack leader not?

E: We have only seen a couple of pictures so it's unclear what is in the upgrade sprue, so I'll still keep my hopes up.

You know that your Sergeants can have power swords too? Every Intercessor Sergeants can have a power sword.

Weazel wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Weazel wrote:
People are talking about intercessors, interceptors and inceptors like they're the same thing. GW and their naming, sheesh.

10 Grey Hunters are 10 wounds and they deliver 20 attacks with chainswords. 5 Intercessors (10 wounds) would deliver 15 attacks with chainswords. Again I ask, in what universe would they be OP? Seriously guys.

Not saying they are OP. But if they cost same and are otherwise identical to others but have chainsword that's silly. They would be original unit+1 which is just bad game design.

Well, I never said they should get the CS for free. I just want them to be able to fill out the same role as Grey Hunters, otherwise I'm just not going to bother with any Primaris at all. I want to go full primaris or none at all. Mixing oldmarines and numarines just looks too goofy.

You know that functionally, your Primaris have as many attacks as a GS with a chainsword? As in, any niche your Grey Hunters had, Primaris also do, because they have the same amount of attacks?

In fact, functionally, Primaris Intercessors are identical to Grey Hunters barring a few differences:
An extra Wound
A more powerful bolter
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons (except on the sergeant)
No transports, barring the Repulsor

Seeing as the only thing you ask for is "filling the same role as Grey Hunters), the only thing that you'd be missing is the special weapons and transport access, in exchange for better regular shooting and an extra Wound. What's the problem?

You know that your Sergeants can have power swords too? Every Intercessor Sergeants can have a power sword.

Except BA and SW:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-4/IORF435R4_ENG_Primaris_Marines_Release_04_July_29th.pdf

In fact, functionally, Primaris Intercessors are identical to Grey Hunters barring a few differences:
An extra Wound
A more powerful bolter
No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons (except on the sergeant)
No transports, barring the Repulsor

Seeing as the only thing you ask for is "filling the same role as Grey Hunters), the only thing that you'd be missing is the special weapons and transport access, in exchange for better regular shooting and an extra Wound. What's the problem?

I think the problem is:

No embedded Wolf Guard or special weapons
No access to power weapons.
No transports, barring the Repulsor

Justyn wrote:


Except BA and SW:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-4/IORF435R4_ENG_Primaris_Marines_Release_04_July_29th.pdf

They gave BA power sword in a FAQ. I wish they'd do the same in reverse too and give other chapters a cahinsword.

It is also weird that SW cannot have Primaris Apothecaries, but can Have Primaris Chaplains, though Wolf Priests combine these two roles. I wonder how they handle this in the codex, I hope they get the Apothecaries too.

Oh and lets not forget that they pay points for the extra wound and the better bolter, when they lose all flavor. If I wanted to play Generic Marines I would.

It is also weird that SW cannot have Primaris Apothecaries, but can Have Primaris Chaplains, though Wolf Priests combine these two roles. I wonder how they handle this in the codex, I hope they get the Apothecaries too.

It is because Wolf Priests have never been as good at healing as Apothecaries in any edition. I would love it if they were. Hell I'd buy a Primaris Apothecary in a heartbeat. The ability to get guys back up is pretty amazing.

Thr silly thing is with every "Special" chapter having its own codex their is nothing stopping GW giving Blood angles intercessors Chainsword and making them an Intercessor +1 point
Giving Space furries chainswords at +1 point

Leaving Vanilla marines not having to pay extra points for an extra attack they don't get.
*As aslong as chainswords are 0 points who's not taking free weapons.

Wider context intercessors are probably 15/16ppm unit so 17, 18 with the chainswords is atleast better than the vanilla setup.

Personally I'm a little disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to rain in the space furries and go back to less rediculous space Vikings.

This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.

God I really hate these Primaris Marines.

 KTG17 wrote:
This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.

If the Aggressors can be neutralized quickly it should be ok for the GSC half actually. Everyone knows what Genestealers can do once they get into combat while Aberrants are excellent against multi-wound infantry and should make short work of a Dreadnaught if they can get into combat with it. The main obstacle is the Aggressors with their extremely painful anti-horde double tap shooting without the GSC half having access to Mass Hypnosis to shut it down. We also don't know what the Abominant can do in melee, but if we assume it is an Aberrant +1 it should be comparable to a mini-Carnifex with Crushing Claws (or maybe a mini-Old One Eye depending on what it does for Aberrants if anything).

If one were breaking from exactly how the box is built, one could substitute the Metamorphs for Acolytes for additional armor cracking options. Admittedly, at that point the Dreadnaught would probably be taking an Onslaught cannon since plasma is overkill against most GSC models and the benefits of overcharging are negated by the Bestial Vigor ability on Aberrants.

Is it too much to hope they'll be an FAQ giving deathwatch access to that primaris axe?

Is it too much to hope they'll be an FAQ giving deathwatch access to that primaris axe?

Given GW's current if its not on your sprue you don't get it attitude I would say... NO.

 KTG17 wrote:
This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.

I think you'll find marines have absolutely no counter to a stop-sign equipped Aberrant leader charging up with his squad and yelling "Stop. Hammer time"

 xttz wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:
This looks like a complete walk in the park for the Space Wolves.

I think you'll find marines have absolutely no counter to a stop-sign equipped Aberrant leader charging up with his squad and yelling "Stop. Hammer time"

For that you should probably use the Overkill models instead of the new ones, though. Just so your background dancers all do the same move.