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 JohnnyHell wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do 'Stealers need a re-do? I mean, does their kit have any gaps as far as options/weapons are concerned?

No, but it’s vile to assemble due to awful mould lines and the sprues are sparse in comparison to modern ones. I finally, finally assembled the last few of the pile I acquired years ago and hope to never assemble another! The retro ones from DW:Overkill were far crisper and more pleasant to put together.

But is it worth say having new stealer box rather than plastic pyrovore/biovore?

Oh gods no, but that wasn’t the question I was answering. And nuGW prefers not to redo anyway.

Thats not true. Plague Marines, Nurgle Beast, Ork Buggies, etc...

 jifel wrote:
I imagine the genestealer cult portion I am surprised that the rules for Abominat/new Abberants haven't even be hinted at frankly, since the SW codex got dumped late friday night/saturday morning. I guess that all the guys who get to preview the codex dont get to preview the actual product, so we'll be waiting until Wednesday/thursday when stores get their copies in.

it was up on the community site last night - Abberants with picks now also get to make a rending claw attack on top of the pick attacks, adn the Abominant's sledge is a S12 D6 dmg (1-3 count as 3dmg) weapon with no penalties to hit.

He also has some anti-psyker capability via his little familiar on the base, but they didn't say what the rules actually were.

 Astmeister wrote:
Are we even sure that the rules for the "new" Aberrants and the Abominant will appear in the box?

Yes. Warhammer Community talked about the new Aberrant rules, notably how Power Picks can generate additional attacks for their Rending Claws.

Tastyfish wrote:

 jifel wrote:
I imagine the genestealer cult portion I am surprised that the rules for Abominat/new Abberants haven't even be hinted at frankly, since the SW codex got dumped late friday night/saturday morning. I guess that all the guys who get to preview the codex dont get to preview the actual product, so we'll be waiting until Wednesday/thursday when stores get their copies in.

it was up on the community site last night - Abberants with picks now also get to make a rending claw attack on top of the pick attacks, adn the Abominant's sledge is a S12 D6 dmg (1-3 count as 3dmg) weapon with no penalties to hit.

He also has some anti-psyker capability via his little familiar on the base, but they didn't say what the rules actually were.

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. Haven't been leaked yet. Given that the SW codex and box set drop on the same day, I figured that they would both get leaked around the same time, but the SW book got revealed online two days ago with no GSC leaks in sight.

 jifel wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

 jifel wrote:
I imagine the genestealer cult portion I am surprised that the rules for Abominat/new Abberants haven't even be hinted at frankly, since the SW codex got dumped late friday night/saturday morning. I guess that all the guys who get to preview the codex dont get to preview the actual product, so we'll be waiting until Wednesday/thursday when stores get their copies in.

it was up on the community site last night - Abberants with picks now also get to make a rending claw attack on top of the pick attacks, adn the Abominant's sledge is a S12 D6 dmg (1-3 count as 3dmg) weapon with no penalties to hit.

He also has some anti-psyker capability via his little familiar on the base, but they didn't say what the rules actually were.

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. Haven't been leaked yet. Given that the SW codex and box set drop on the same day, I figured that they would both get leaked around the same time, but the SW book got revealed online two days ago with no GSC leaks in sight.

You don't really need leaks...

They went over some of the specifics on Warhammer Community. Exact details aren't given on some stuff(the Familiar notably) but it's very likely the guys getting books didn't get the boxed set.

Hanksingle wrote:

 jifel wrote:

Hanksingle wrote:
Anyone else pale a little at Tooth and Claw going for 190? I was thinking I'd be happy at 150, and satisfied at 165 - but 190 for seven unique models and some upgrade sprues feels...like a lot.

It is 150 USD. You might be looking at the tooth and claw collection, which is box + codex SW

Oh! Thank you, that's probably what I was doing. I'm back to being happy!

Don't feel bad when i first looked it up I said the same thing. $190 I wasn't going to order it. $150 I did.

Anyone managed to find the Abominant sprue anywhere yet? Annoying that they still haven’t corrected the issue on the store page. Hoping for some customisation options!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jifel wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

 jifel wrote:
I imagine the genestealer cult portion I am surprised that the rules for Abominat/new Abberants haven't even be hinted at frankly, since the SW codex got dumped late friday night/saturday morning. I guess that all the guys who get to preview the codex dont get to preview the actual product, so we'll be waiting until Wednesday/thursday when stores get their copies in.

it was up on the community site last night - Abberants with picks now also get to make a rending claw attack on top of the pick attacks, adn the Abominant's sledge is a S12 D6 dmg (1-3 count as 3dmg) weapon with no penalties to hit.

He also has some anti-psyker capability via his little familiar on the base, but they didn't say what the rules actually were.

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. Haven't been leaked yet. Given that the SW codex and box set drop on the same day, I figured that they would both get leaked around the same time, but the SW book got revealed online two days ago with no GSC leaks in sight.

You don't really need leaks...

They went over some of the specifics on Warhammer Community. Exact details aren't given on some stuff(the Familiar notably) but it's very likely the guys getting books didn't get the boxed set.

You really do need leaks. Points cost are the most important part, that abominant could be an auto-take or hot trash. We know every space wolf stratagem, power, and warlord trait, as well as their points costs. Far beyond what was previewed, but we do not know what the new costs or weapons of the Abberants are, or what the stats on the Abominant are, or his points.

We know those because of the Space Wolves Codex. It doesn't look like people got sent copies of Tooth and Claw to review.

We're not getting the Genestealer Cults Codex just yet. They're getting an update via Tooth & Claw like Necrons saw with Forgebane.

I would assume that some internet guy doing videos (Winter) will get a copy of T&C before the release.

I doubt it. These kinds of boxed sets are really just model-combinations and not much in the way of a new game, etc. I haven't seen any of the big channels get copies of Imperial Knight Renegades, or Forgebane, etc.

I think BoLS got a copy of Forgebane when that came out?
I could be misremembering though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGeG1LSNTj8

Here's an unboxing video.

It's a shame we don't seem to have a <CULT> keyword (like a <CHAPTER> or <DYNASTY> keyword for subfaction bonuses). It looks like we won't have subfaction traits.

Bestial Vigor is now also a 5+ Feel No Pain, in addition to subtracting 1 from damage.
The mindwyrm familiar is a -1 to psychic tests for non-Tyranid Psykers.
The Abominant is 4 PL, so likely about 80pts.
There's a decent amount of information to be gained just from the pages they've shown.

Aeneades wrote:
Anyone managed to find the Abominant sprue anywhere yet? Annoying that they still haven’t corrected the issue on the store page. Hoping for some customisation options!

On a single sprue character? I’d severely doubt it. He’ll be mono build like the Wolf McWolfleader guy.

 CaptainBetts wrote:



Here's an unboxing video.

Abominant:
S6 WS3 5W 5T 3A
Regenerates D3 Wounds every round.
Mindwyrm Familiar grants "mini-Shadow in the Warp"
Bestial Vigor: Damage dealt is reduced by 1 for each time
AND a 5+ Feel No Pain

Well, damn...that's impressive.

It's a shame we don't seem to have a <CULT> keyword (like a <CHAPTER> or <DYNASTY> keyword for subfaction bonuses). It looks like we won't have subfaction traits.

Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, and Dark Angels all didn't see <Thingies> bits. I think GSC were never going to get <Thingy> simply because...well, it'd be weird right?

"We've risen up to be devoured by the great sky-gods!"
"OH NO IT'S THOSE GUYS WHO GET EATEN REALLY WELL!"
It just seems...odd to have Cults of Renown in that vein.

LOl "the guys who get eaten really well" If I ever start a GSC army I do belive I've found my name

"The happytizers"

something about points changes?

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's a shame we don't seem to have a <CULT> keyword (like a <CHAPTER> or <DYNASTY> keyword for subfaction bonuses). It looks like we won't have subfaction traits.

Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, and Dark Angels all didn't see <Thingies> bits. I think GSC were never going to get <Thingy> simply because...well, it'd be weird right?

"We've risen up to be devoured by the great sky-gods!"
"OH NO IT'S THOSE GUYS WHO GET EATEN REALLY WELL!"
It just seems...odd to have Cults of Renown in that vein.

While any individual cult may not be noteworthy because it's isolated and short-lived, it wouldn't be out of character to have a trait system based on the world that got infiltrated. Mining world, agri-world, hive world, stuff like that. That may not be enticing to GW because the models are heavily mining themed, though.

Personally I'm going to hold off of reading anything into the campaign set rules with the codex so far away. GW is notoriously paranoid about giving future stuff away and until I see proof to the contrary I'm going to assume these are solely meant to be compatible with the index, not the yet to be released codex.

Some of the recent background has described certain cults as being fairly widespread - across multiple systems, although perhaps not as a single political entity. I think any sub-factions will be for those "super-cults".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:



Here's an unboxing video.

Abominant:
S6 WS3 5W 5T 3A
Regenerates D3 Wounds every round.
Mindwyrm Familiar grants "mini-Shadow in the Warp"
Bestial Vigor: Damage dealt is reduced by 1 for each time
AND a 5+ Feel No Pain

Well, damn...that's impressive.

In addition, Aberrants now get the 5++ too. No change in power value, although the unit size is now 5+5 rather than 4+4. You can upgrade one to a Hypermorph (basically a sergeant) which has +1 standard attack and a bonus AP-1 tail attack. The "improvised weapon" is Sx2, AP-1, D2 and makes 2 hit rolls per attack but is -1 to hit.

So a Hypermorph attacking with the signpost near an Abominant gets the tail attack and six S10 AP-1 D2 attacks hitting on 4+, with each natural six to hit landing two hits.

 xttz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CaptainBetts wrote:


Abominant:
S6 WS3 5W 5T 3A
Regenerates D3 Wounds every round.
Mindwyrm Familiar grants "mini-Shadow in the Warp"
Bestial Vigor: Damage dealt is reduced by 1 for each time
AND a 5+ Feel No Pain

Well, damn...that's impressive.

In addition, Aberrants now get the 5++ too. No change in power value, although the unit size is now 5+5 rather than 4+4. You can upgrade one to a Hypermorph (basically a sergeant) which has +1 standard attack and a bonus AP-1 tail attack. The "improvised weapon" is Sx2, AP-1, D2 and makes 2 hit rolls per attack but is -1 to hit.

So a Hypermorph attacking with the signpost near an Abominant gets the tail attack and six S10 AP-1 D2 attacks hitting on 4+, with each natural six to hit landing two hits.

So, which weapon is better, the improvised or the other?

 xttz wrote:
So a Hypermorph attacking with the signpost near an Abominant gets the tail attack and six S10 AP-1 D2 attacks hitting on 4+, with each natural six to hit landing two hits.

Why is a signpost better than a powerhammer/pick?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
So a Hypermorph attacking with the signpost near an Abominant gets the tail attack and six S10 AP-1 D2 attacks hitting on 4+, with each natural six to hit landing two hits.

Why is a signpost better than a powerhammer/pick?

because it stops the enemy in their tracks, showing them that there's only one way to react to the Cult: yield.

And also the Hypermorph is a huge brute hitting you with a stop sign.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
So a Hypermorph attacking with the signpost near an Abominant gets the tail attack and six S10 AP-1 D2 attacks hitting on 4+, with each natural six to hit landing two hits.

Why is a signpost better than a powerhammer/pick?

Theres nothing more powerfull than workplace safety.

 Galas wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
So a Hypermorph attacking with the signpost near an Abominant gets the tail attack and six S10 AP-1 D2 attacks hitting on 4+, with each natural six to hit landing two hits.

Why is a signpost better than a powerhammer/pick?

Theres nothing more powerfull than workplace safety.

oh MAN my sign is going to be a "days without an accident" sign for sure.

From BoLS

They posted the don't bypass the language filter like this. reds8n instructions before the points costs? Do they WANT me to hate them?

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's a shame we don't seem to have a <CULT> keyword (like a <CHAPTER> or <DYNASTY> keyword for subfaction bonuses). It looks like we won't have subfaction traits.

Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, and Dark Angels all didn't see <Thingies> bits. I think GSC were never going to get <Thingy> simply because...well, it'd be weird right?

"We've risen up to be devoured by the great sky-gods!"
"OH NO IT'S THOSE GUYS WHO GET EATEN REALLY WELL!"
It just seems...odd to have Cults of Renown in that vein.

A) First point is wrong, half of them do have subfaction traits (which is why Phoros, Seth, and Dante can't be combined in one BA detachment), B ) You know the exact same point applies to tyranids, right? Every single tyranid army that wins is eaten to the last drone. In fact, compared to literally everyone else GSC is the faction that should have subfactions, because you can divide them in dozens of fluffy ways - tactics, gene traits, kind of worlds they infiltrate, social strata they target, they are literally the most diverse faction in the setting and them not having these would be a real shame...