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It is an interesting move with Primaris marines, more than anything they know that there biggest player base are SM, or a variant of, and it is a smart business decision to pump some more units into a army with a an abundance of players. However, I'm not sold that your run of the mill tactical marine will be gone in the future, or even phased out.

For example, look at TW cav, they couldn't primaris them without it being silly.. 'we have made even bigger wolves'. Primaris stuff is seeming to fill a niche at the moment, and I see it staying this way. Plus they are making an effort to make primaris specific chapters. Most likely, none primaris chapters will become the guard of the SM world! But what do I know, just my thoughts. Also I am quite biased as I am not a huge fan of primaris marines, I hate the lack of character in them.

I will also add that making a majority of your player bases armies redundant seems bizarre and I can't really ever see that happening.

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Do you think they'd not Priarmis-size TW Cav just because it'd be silly?

They might not do it because they don't spend the resources to, but considering Murderfang and Santa Grimnar, I doubt a sudden burst of restraint will show up to prevent Primaris TW Cav.
   
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This is a game that contains Centurions... Lord of Skulls... Helbrutes... old-as-the-hills Dreadnought models, and a chapter master who cosplays as Santa Clause.

GW doesn’t care about silliness. Just money.

I have 2 boxes worth of Death Company and 3 of Sanguinary Guard. I’d replace them all if they got the Primaris treatment. Especially if it meant mould lines on SG weren’t gak and their weapon options weren’t so limited per box.

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 Alphabet wrote:
It is an interesting move with Primaris marines, more than anything they know that there biggest player base are SM, or a variant of, and it is a smart business decision to pump some more units into a army with a an abundance of players. However, I'm not sold that your run of the mill tactical marine will be gone in the future, or even phased out.

For example, look at TW cav, they couldn't primaris them without it being silly.. 'we have made even bigger wolves'. Primaris stuff is seeming to fill a niche at the moment, and I see it staying this way. Plus they are making an effort to make primaris specific chapters. Most likely, none primaris chapters will become the guard of the SM world! But what do I know, just my thoughts. Also I am quite biased as I am not a huge fan of primaris marines, I hate the lack of character in them.

I will also add that making a majority of your player bases armies redundant seems bizarre and I can't really ever see that happening.


If anything they will probably shift it into of a 30k thing where the primaris are the end astartes, and the regular space marines are still around but function as neophytes. I don't see them keeping regular scouts.

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All valid points! Maybe I am giving GW too much credit.
   
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Sure... it is making the riders Primaris which would make the Thunderwolf Cavalry silly... *eyeroll*

   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
 Alphabet wrote:
It is an interesting move with Primaris marines, more than anything they know that there biggest player base are SM, or a variant of, and it is a smart business decision to pump some more units into a army with a an abundance of players. However, I'm not sold that your run of the mill tactical marine will be gone in the future, or even phased out.

For example, look at TW cav, they couldn't primaris them without it being silly.. 'we have made even bigger wolves'. Primaris stuff is seeming to fill a niche at the moment, and I see it staying this way. Plus they are making an effort to make primaris specific chapters. Most likely, none primaris chapters will become the guard of the SM world! But what do I know, just my thoughts. Also I am quite biased as I am not a huge fan of primaris marines, I hate the lack of character in them.

I will also add that making a majority of your player bases armies redundant seems bizarre and I can't really ever see that happening.


If anything they will probably shift it into of a 30k thing where the primaris are the end astartes, and the regular space marines are still around but function as neophytes. I don't see them keeping regular scouts.

Yes possibly, I am not sure how that would follow into SW, that is probably one of the books to come! In terms of lore, are standard marines still being made? Or is everything primaris now? As that might make the future a little bleaker for marines!

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 Alphabet wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
 Alphabet wrote:
It is an interesting move with Primaris marines, more than anything they know that there biggest player base are SM, or a variant of, and it is a smart business decision to pump some more units into a army with a an abundance of players. However, I'm not sold that your run of the mill tactical marine will be gone in the future, or even phased out.

For example, look at TW cav, they couldn't primaris them without it being silly.. 'we have made even bigger wolves'. Primaris stuff is seeming to fill a niche at the moment, and I see it staying this way. Plus they are making an effort to make primaris specific chapters. Most likely, none primaris chapters will become the guard of the SM world! But what do I know, just my thoughts. Also I am quite biased as I am not a huge fan of primaris marines, I hate the lack of character in them.

I will also add that making a majority of your player bases armies redundant seems bizarre and I can't really ever see that happening.


If anything they will probably shift it into of a 30k thing where the primaris are the end astartes, and the regular space marines are still around but function as neophytes. I don't see them keeping regular scouts.

Yes possibly, I am not sure how that would follow into SW, that is probably one of the books to come! In terms of lore, are standard marines still being made? Or is everything primaris now? As that might make the future a little bleaker for marines!


We are not sure and have no idea. What I do know is that primaris lack fundamental experience and to probably bridge that gap they might make it a requirement to be an old marine then to become a primaris.

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As the Primaris upgrade is now definitely a thing, there is very little reason for old marines to continue to exist lore-wise.

   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
 Alphabet wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
 Alphabet wrote:
It is an interesting move with Primaris marines, more than anything they know that there biggest player base are SM, or a variant of, and it is a smart business decision to pump some more units into a army with a an abundance of players. However, I'm not sold that your run of the mill tactical marine will be gone in the future, or even phased out.

For example, look at TW cav, they couldn't primaris them without it being silly.. 'we have made even bigger wolves'. Primaris stuff is seeming to fill a niche at the moment, and I see it staying this way. Plus they are making an effort to make primaris specific chapters. Most likely, none primaris chapters will become the guard of the SM world! But what do I know, just my thoughts. Also I am quite biased as I am not a huge fan of primaris marines, I hate the lack of character in them.

I will also add that making a majority of your player bases armies redundant seems bizarre and I can't really ever see that happening.


If anything they will probably shift it into of a 30k thing where the primaris are the end astartes, and the regular space marines are still around but function as neophytes. I don't see them keeping regular scouts.

Yes possibly, I am not sure how that would follow into SW, that is probably one of the books to come! In terms of lore, are standard marines still being made? Or is everything primaris now? As that might make the future a little bleaker for marines!


We are not sure and have no idea. What I do know is that primaris lack fundamental experience and to probably bridge that gap they might make it a requirement to be an old marine then to become a primaris.

Hmm food for thought. It could be a similar situation to the Imperial Knights, starting out as a small branch of the Imperium, turning into a full fledged army. Testing the waters so to speak. However, I do understand how different the two are in terms of lore, one had always been in the background, whereas primaris is a new entity.
   
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Hmm food for thought. It could be a similar situation to the Imperial Knights, starting out as a small branch of the Imperium, turning into a full fledged army. Testing the waters so to speak. However, I do understand how different the two are in terms of lore, one had always been in the background, whereas primaris is a new entity.


I hope not. I rather keep them together.

its already been covered that marines can become primaris. (Calgar turned into a primaris and ever since then there is a higher probability of marines turning into primaris.)

Primaris might be what the Adeptus Astartes turn into.

Making a 'funnel' effect where the veterans and those who prove themselves in Primaris Marines.

I think that would be the best course of action. And would create a hierarchy with space marines in general. And get rid of the division people have put into their minds about primaris and regular marines

As the Primaris upgrade is now definitely a thing, there is very little reason for old marines to continue to exist lore-wise.


You really like to ignore my discussion points don't you?

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Primaris hem RealMarines in stats-wise. Clearly, RealMarines are beefier and better than IG. Clearly, RealMarines are less beefy and weaker than Primaris. Over time, that makes it hard to define each's niche. By rolling their stats together, they have more latitude for balance.
   
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Bharring wrote:
Primaris hem RealMarines in stats-wise. Clearly, RealMarines are beefier and better than IG. Clearly, RealMarines are less beefy and weaker than Primaris. Over time, that makes it hard to define each's niche. By rolling their stats together, they have more latitude for balance.


Or they remove scouts from the codex. And making tac marines and all baseline marines stepping stones to be primaris.

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 Asherian Command wrote:

You really like to ignore my discussion points don't you?

I just don't find your idea plausible. Primaris marines are already made from scratch, so limiting the upgrade only to the veterans makes no sense. GW has created a new marine aesthetic, and they will eventually want to fully transition to it. If there will be some sort of Primaris initiates then they will get new models.

Old marines will probably continue having some legacy support, like the axed FB armies do.

   
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Bharring wrote:
Primaris hem RealMarines in stats-wise. Clearly, RealMarines are beefier and better than IG. Clearly, RealMarines are less beefy and weaker than Primaris. Over time, that makes it hard to define each's niche. By rolling their stats together, they have more latitude for balance.

“RealMarines” hahaha. Realest thing about them is how numbered their days are. WHFB sends its regards. Calgar was smart enough to hit the juice to blend in and avoid the Great Squatting of the ‘20s.
   
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 Crimson wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:

You really like to ignore my discussion points don't you?

I just don't find your idea plausible. Primaris marines are already made from scratch, so limiting the upgrade only to the veterans makes no sense. GW has created a new marine aesthetic, and they will eventually want to fully transition to it. If there will be some sort of Primaris initiates then they will get new models.

Old marines will probably continue having some legacy support, like the axed FB armies do.


No way! Primaris Space Marines do not replace regular (if a superhuman killing machine can be described as ‘regular’) Space Marines. These guys have a few extra genetic enhancements, thanks to Belisarius Cawl, and serve as additional reinforcements in the Adeptus Astartes arsenal, not replacements.

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Time will tell what happens. I am not sold that old marines will be pushed into the past, there are literally 100s of kits forgeworld included. To reduce the appetite of buying well selling products to replace it with a Primaris equivalent marginalises a chunk of your fan base and paves an expensive path, for no real purpose. It seems more likely to me that Primaris will fill an elite niche. Of course this is my opinion, and am likely way off.
   
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What are they supposed to say? We have a tiny product line of Primaris; immediately stop buying from our biggest line? Nope.
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:

No way! Primaris Space Marines do not replace regular (if a superhuman killing machine can be described as ‘regular’) Space Marines. These guys have a few extra genetic enhancements, thanks to Belisarius Cawl, and serve as additional reinforcements in the Adeptus Astartes arsenal, not replacements.

That's obviously a lie though. I mean, you must understand that?

   
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Bremon wrote:
What are they supposed to say? We have a tiny product line of Primaris; immediately stop buying from our biggest line? Nope.


Well you guys keep saying without evidence "Old Marines are going to be printed out entirely."

That I completely do not believe considering 30k still and will continue to exist... Why would they remove an entire market?


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 Crimson wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:

No way! Primaris Space Marines do not replace regular (if a superhuman killing machine can be described as ‘regular’) Space Marines. These guys have a few extra genetic enhancements, thanks to Belisarius Cawl, and serve as additional reinforcements in the Adeptus Astartes arsenal, not replacements.

That's obviously a lie though. I mean, you must understand that?


Yeah you can't be trusted. If it clearly says it in writing they aren't going to then that is on you.

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Let me know when some new mini marine kits are released Asherion. I’m sure we’ll get alternating waves of releases; Primaris, chimps, Primaris, chimps.

I can’t remember what forums were like at the start of 3rd, because I was too focused on Eldar. I wonder if RT fans were similarly concerned by the scale creep.
   
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Didn't they say they would never again squat an army?
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:

That I completely do not believe considering 30k still and will continue to exist... Why would they remove an entire market?

Why are they not selling the RT beakies anymore? Why are they not selling Bretonnians or Tomb Kings?

This is a revamp of the space marines, but because the line is so huge they cannot do it all at once, thus this awkward Primaris thing. If you want to be naïve, go ahead, invest in models that will become obsolete. People did that during the End Times too; but at least then it was not blindingly obvious that what was coming.

   
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Bharring wrote:
Didn't they say they would never again squat an army?


Yep!

Its bad PR and it led to hatred and people leaving the hobby. They know its bad and why would they do that to the most iconic race in 40k?

Its fething stupid for people to suggest.

I just tune them off they offer little to no good discussion. Especially if they suggest the same thing over and over again.

Why are they not selling the RT beakies anymore?


They didn't those are old products. There is a difference between selling a new model kit and redefining an entire range and eliminating an entire range.

If you want examples of new marines releases look at forgeworld! Look at their legendary figures.

They will not replace space marines

This is off topic

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Bharring wrote:
Didn't they say they would never again squat an army?

Perhaps. And then they squatted an entire game universe!


   
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 Crimson wrote:
Bharring wrote:
Didn't they say they would never again squat an army?

Perhaps. And then they squatted an entire game universe!



Their new developer diaries suggested that was a bad move. Then they said "They will never do that again."

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 Asherian Command wrote:

Their new developer diaries suggested that was a bad move. Then they said "They will never do that again."

Citation needed.

   
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In terms of units primaris directly need combat units. Aggressors fill more of the centurion role.

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It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.
   
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 Alphabet wrote:
It is likely that standard marines will not get a release for a while. But that doesn't mean they are being phased out, nor does it mean that they will not get a release ever again. Primaris is just a new flavour of ice-cream, doesn't mean they are gonna discontinue vanilla.

Sure. The next minimarine release will come right along with the new Bretonnian armybook.

   
 
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