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I'd like to see more Primarchs return and crush the religious nonsense that has arisen around the Emperor. I know that would negatively effect certain chapters like the Black Templars, and that would be a shame, but on the whole, I cannot stand listening to all the religious drivel and I detest all the religious chanting that goes on in videos etc.
   
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Stephen1974 wrote:
I'd like to see more Primarchs return and crush the religious nonsense that has arisen around the Emperor. I know that would negatively effect certain chapters like the Black Templars, and that would be a shame, but on the whole, I cannot stand listening to all the religious drivel and I detest all the religious chanting that goes on in videos etc.


I might be wrong, but wasn't the Imperium always sort of religious (but more in the Kim Jung Un sort of cult of personality) before becoming more like straight up Catholics (of the very traditional sort)?

PS: what religious chanting in videos?
   
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Its been a while so I may get this a little wrong but when the Emperor was unifying Old Terra, part of that was the Eradication of Religion. I think there is a short story called The Last Church which sees the emperor standing over the last churches destruction. The Emperor didn't believe in Gods or Worship and even punished his Sons and their legions if they showed any signs of worshipping him, and quite brutally as well with cities and possibly worlds being destroyed for it.

Religion or rather the lack of religion, is a BIG issue in the events leading up to the Heresy. Lorgar for example worshipped the Emperor as a God and the worlds his Legion conquered in the Great Crusade were taight to workship the Emperor as well, so the Emperor had the Ultramarines destroy one of the greatest Cities that had been built to honour him. This is the reason why Lorgar hates Guilliman so much.

The turning of Horus was very much based on Erabus convincing Horus that the Emperor was misleading people about not being a God

The religious nature of the Empire started during the heresy when cults started secretly worshipping the Emperor as a God. They had to do this in hiding as it wasn't tolerated. Then (i forget her name) a women with physic abilities she didnt know she had, fought off a demon and claimed the Emperor had worked through her, This is where we get the saying "The Emperor Protects" from. She becomes revered by people and even manages to turn some Space Marines (particularly one of the Imperial Fists, again, forget names) to the belief the Emperor is a God.

As the Heresy takes place and people are exposed to the horrors of the warp, they turn to Religion out of fear. Once the Emperor is turned in to the Warps Buttplug, and all the primarchs are gone, there is no one left to correct things, and religion being an excellent form of control, the Administers of Old Terra encourage the religion until the Emperors vision for mankind is perverted in to something he fought so hard to eradicate and the administrators for the imperium have total control, leading to the rise of the Inquisitors and to Commissars etc, none of which existed whilst the Emperor was 'alive'.

As for video, look up 40k videos online (assuming GW hasn't assinated all the fan creators by now) and you'll often hear religious chanting style sound tracks, and watch the 40k movie (its on youtube) and again you'll get that religious chanting all the time.

   
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Yes the emperor was very much a cruel dictator but insisted that he was just a man and there was no god, mostly I think becuase if people believed he was a god they would be open to the idea of other gods and whoops they did the big 4 chaos gods and it all goes wrong.

But the emperors atheist propaganda wasn’t enough a lot of people, they needed something more to cope with the endless war light years away from home. So they invented the cult of the emperor.

I think this was lorgar a point.

So I’m not sure if games Workshop were trying to make an observation on religion or not but it serves as one of those ironic self defeating ambitions that the background of 40K is full of.

I think the other thing to consider is that the emperor and the other perpetuals (suprised I haven’t seen that come up yet in this thread) had probably tried to use religion for millennia to manipulate humanity
   
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Stephen1974 wrote:
I'd like to see more Primarchs return and crush the religious nonsense that has arisen around the Emperor. I know that would negatively effect certain chapters like the Black Templars, and that would be a shame, but on the whole, I cannot stand listening to all the religious drivel and I detest all the religious chanting that goes on in videos etc.


Then do not watch the video. Games shoukd never be altered to cater to any minority point of view from a fraction of the fanbase. If religious people can get along with a game that essentially commits blasphemy against their deity with its lore, then I am sure an atheist can tough it out as well...

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 Gert wrote:
"Gregorian Chants to study and relax to."


You mean Gertgorian

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 Rolsheen wrote:
I would like to see the rise or fall of the Eldar, they've been sort of stuck in this limbo of dying race for so long. Move their story a long a bit either kill them off or rejuvenate them some how.

Give us Exodites as the new focus...dino-riding elves with laser cannons that instead of Feeling Sad are willing to lose some INT in return for larger population. This way their rise in numbers doesn't automatically send everyone else into death spiral since they lack the craziest eldar tech like D-weapons.
   
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 Rolsheen wrote:
I would like to see the rise or fall of the Eldar, they've been sort of stuck in this limbo of dying race for so long. Move their story a long a bit either kill them off or rejuvenate them some how.

Theoretically, that's what the Ynnari are supposed to be. They're making big, costly, risky plays and (theoretically) shaking up the status quo. And they're putting a little fire in aeldari bellies while they do it. If GW doesn't stagnate them too much, they should theoretically either fail (or turn out to be deceived) tragically or beat down Slaanesh in the not so distant future. Either of which ought to shake things up.
   
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 Just Tony wrote:
Stephen1974 wrote:
I'd like to see more Primarchs return and crush the religious nonsense that has arisen around the Emperor. I know that would negatively effect certain chapters like the Black Templars, and that would be a shame, but on the whole, I cannot stand listening to all the religious drivel and I detest all the religious chanting that goes on in videos etc.


Then do not watch the video. Games shoukd never be altered to cater to any minority point of view from a fraction of the fanbase. If religious people can get along with a game that essentially commits blasphemy against their deity with its lore, then I am sure an atheist can tough it out as well...


What on earth are you on about? this has bugger all to do with believing in a god or not. It's purely about a style that I find irritating. The Heresy books are a thousand times better than 40k books because of the lack of pious nonsense in them. And as its within existing lore that the Emperor is against religion and the Primarchs were bought up that way as well, its not a stretch to see them want to return to the Emperors teachings. In fact, Guilliman in Dark Imperium, cant stand the religious crap thats occured and its only because its so wide spread and hes busy with the crusade that he doesnt do something about it.
   
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Stephen1974 wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
Stephen1974 wrote:
I'd like to see more Primarchs return and crush the religious nonsense that has arisen around the Emperor. I know that would negatively effect certain chapters like the Black Templars, and that would be a shame, but on the whole, I cannot stand listening to all the religious drivel and I detest all the religious chanting that goes on in videos etc.


Then do not watch the video. Games shoukd never be altered to cater to any minority point of view from a fraction of the fanbase. If religious people can get along with a game that essentially commits blasphemy against their deity with its lore, then I am sure an atheist can tough it out as well...


What on earth are you on about? this has bugger all to do with believing in a god or not. It's purely about a style that I find irritating. The Heresy books are a thousand times better than 40k books because of the lack of pious nonsense in them. And as its within existing lore that the Emperor is against religion and the Primarchs were bought up that way as well, its not a stretch to see them want to return to the Emperors teachings. In fact, Guilliman in Dark Imperium, cant stand the religious crap thats occured and its only because its so wide spread and hes busy with the crusade that he doesnt do something about it.


The Ecclesiarchy are a core component of the setting, and crucially, to most imperial factions (and obviously every factions outside the Imperium) an insidious presence. They can be argued to be one of the greatest threats to the Imperium, and the ignorance on a whole by the members within the Imperium is part of the charm of the setting. The Ecclesiarchy as well as the Administratum are enemy factions. They need to stick around, they are as core to the setting as the fanatical but almost incompetent Mechanicus.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Stephen1974 wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
Stephen1974 wrote:
I'd like to see more Primarchs return and crush the religious nonsense that has arisen around the Emperor. I know that would negatively effect certain chapters like the Black Templars, and that would be a shame, but on the whole, I cannot stand listening to all the religious drivel and I detest all the religious chanting that goes on in videos etc.


Then do not watch the video. Games shoukd never be altered to cater to any minority point of view from a fraction of the fanbase. If religious people can get along with a game that essentially commits blasphemy against their deity with its lore, then I am sure an atheist can tough it out as well...


What on earth are you on about? this has bugger all to do with believing in a god or not. It's purely about a style that I find irritating. The Heresy books are a thousand times better than 40k books because of the lack of pious nonsense in them. And as its within existing lore that the Emperor is against religion and the Primarchs were bought up that way as well, its not a stretch to see them want to return to the Emperors teachings. In fact, Guilliman in Dark Imperium, cant stand the religious crap thats occured and its only because its so wide spread and hes busy with the crusade that he doesnt do something about it.


The Ecclesiarchy are a core component of the setting, and crucially, to most imperial factions (and obviously every factions outside the Imperium) an insidious presence. They can be argued to be one of the greatest threats to the Imperium, and the ignorance on a whole by the members within the Imperium is part of the charm of the setting. The Ecclesiarchy as well as the Administratum are enemy factions. They need to stick around, they are as core to the setting as the fanatical but almost incompetent Mechanicus.


The thing is the Ecclesiarchy is also now verifiably one of the most effective means of combating Chaos, with the miracles now granted by the Emperor as warp god. Blessed ammunition verifiably causes more damage to daemons and psykers. That's part of the difficult compromise Guilliman makes. He tolerates the Ecclesiarchy for the sake of these practical benefits, though this in effect perpetuates the ignorance and zealotry that he detests. However by the latest Godblight book, after being saved by two of these miracles, Guilliman starts to have doubts about his earlier position denying the Emperor being a god at least in the 40k era, even if perhaps he was not one in 30k. Ten thousand years of worship by the Imperium may have elevated the Emperor and possibly changed his mind about godhood, in a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.

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40k definitely runs on the logic that 'worship' gives you psychic energy and enough worship makes you a god.

Not sure who first came up with the idea but I've seen it in Terry Prachett's books (Small Gods especially), Neil Gaiman's books (Sandman and American Gods) and it was the whole mechanism of the old Primal Order RPG.

So... it's possible the Emperor knew this could happen and denied being a god, and tried to choke off worship because he knew where it would lead.

Being a 40k god is not just about having more power. It means you've ascended past your mortal body and spend most of your time in the warp and the Emperor may have wanted to avoid that. Being a god becomes a gilded cage.

 
   
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If you can't interact with the physical plane, how can you make sure people are doing exactly what you want.
We see it when the Emperor leaves the Crusade and when he gets put on the Golden Throne.
His biggest flaw is that He never accounts for free will and always just assumes that everyone will listen to Him because He thinks He knows best.

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Yes the emperor was very much a cruel dictator but insisted that he was just a man and there was no god, mostly I think becuase if people believed he was a god they would be open to the idea of other gods and whoops they did the big 4 chaos gods and it all goes wrong.

But the emperors atheist propaganda wasn’t enough a lot of people, they needed something more to cope with the endless war light years away from home. So they invented the cult of the emperor.

I think this was lorgar a point.

So I’m not sure if games Workshop were trying to make an observation on religion or not but it serves as one of those ironic self defeating ambitions that the background of 40K is full of.

I think the other thing to consider is that the emperor and the other perpetuals (suprised I haven’t seen that come up yet in this thread) had probably tried to use religion for millennia to manipulate humanity
One of the great ironies of the Great Crusade. The Emperor abolishes religion as part of the Unification of Earth. He starts up his Astartes and Primarch projects, just to have his Primarchs scattered across the Galaxy. He sets out to find them with the Great Crusade, eventually finding Lorgar. Give Lorgar his Legion, but doesn't pay enough attention to realize he is the God Lorgar has been looking for. Lorgar writes The Lectitio Divinitatus, before he is disillusioned by the Emperor at the sacking of Monarchia. But The Lectitio Divinitatus is out and ends up being the formative document of the Imperial Cult during the Horus Hersey and the Emperor is too distracting fighting the war and then getting entombed on the Golden Throne to do anything about it.

As for Ork Tech, I thought it was that Waagh Energy made things that shouldn't quite work operate much more smoothly then they had any business working. Like ramshackle vehicles work that should fall apart sooner than they actually do. Guns that should jam regularly, but just don't seem to do so. Space Hulks that have no business successfully passing through the Warp, yet manage to anyway.

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I suppose there is logic that is not addressed with Orks, for example if you kill 80% of the Orks in a waaagh should you see their tech start to fall apart or perform worse? Or only be able to maintain shootas but not shock attack guns
   
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Thats exactly what happens.
When the Orks were beaten back during the 2nd War for Armageddon, those that remained became feral tribes in the jungles. Left unchecked those tribes would have eventually turned back into a normal Ork Waaaagh with the capabilities to produce the more advanced tech and weapons.
   
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It also depends what Orkses survived.

The ground up would more be the spores shed maturing, as the emergence Boyz wouldn’t have any older Orks to learn from/copy.

If it’s the remains of an invasion? If it’s just Boyz, much the same as from spores, as they’re not particularly able to maintain their own level of technology.

But, if any Oddboyz are among the survivors, that technological and societal base will be higher, because there’s a Dok, Mek or Runtherd (potentially all three, given Oddboyz do tend to congregate) to keep it maintained to some degree.

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What a lot of people forget is that Gork n smirk are like, the most powerful chaos gods. They don’t really directly fight though cause that’s way less fun than fighting each other, and their boys should be left to their own fights. Now this isn’t saying that orks don’t get blessings from ‘em, it’s shown that occasionally mork will seem to bless bullets and maybe gork will make a blow extra punchy.
If you think about it, orks are the most religious faction. They generate their faith to the ork gods just by being orky.

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I would re-introduce the idea that not everything explicitly said within canon is intended to be literal fact. Bring back 'the setting/the imperium as unreliable narrator.' Bring back stuff like 'the imperium thinks the tau look like fish but they actually live on a desert planet' and 'the primarch's names and appearances are supposed to be cartoonishly silly because you the reader are supposed to be able to think "Hmmm, the founder of the Blood Angels was probably not a literal angel with literal wings named Bloody McAngelson."

You the reader should be reminded that the imperium is superstitious ignorant and foolish by them misunderstanding history and facts and events that you the reader understand.

good recent example includes the admech relic that is given as an "Award" for exemplary individual thought by a member of the skitarii, which is actually a radioactive weapon designed to kill the wearer because the adeptus mechanicus hates individual thought, but the fact that it melts your skin and makes your teeth fall off is seen as an honor from the omnissiah stripping away your weak flesh.

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 Nurglitch wrote:
The Regimental Standard is good for that.


yes, but Black Library is MISERABLE for it, because theyre so addicted to the modern cinema trope of rewarding their fanbase for being good little bois for understanding references to wiki-page background lore and giving them headpats for recognizing the references because theyre True Fans, and all GW really has to draw off of for that now is stuff that happened 10,000 years ago in-universe...

...so I guess the hyper-ignorant propaganda obsessed autocratic regime just keeps perfect historical records of everything and anything that happened literally 10,000 years ago. Great, awesome.

"I can't believe all these tryhard WAACs out there just care about winning all the time when it's supposed to be a game for fun!!!!!!! Also here's my 27 page essay on why marines are OP and Orkz should get a bunch of OP rules so I can win more games

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I read it as the propaganda made real, as in readers are now in the bubble of hero worship and the veneer of parody has been stripped away… and I see this ultimately as evidence that chaos and heresy have taken GW.

   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
 Nurglitch wrote:
The Regimental Standard is good for that.


yes, but Black Library is MISERABLE for it, because theyre so addicted to the modern cinema trope of rewarding their fanbase for being good little bois for understanding references to wiki-page background lore and giving them headpats for recognizing the references because theyre True Fans, and all GW really has to draw off of for that now is stuff that happened 10,000 years ago in-universe...

...so I guess the hyper-ignorant propaganda obsessed autocratic regime just keeps perfect historical records of everything and anything that happened literally 10,000 years ago. Great, awesome.



They should've had Abnett write the entire heresy in like three books. Horus Rising had a great, psuedo-mythic style to it. It was opaque and almost stiff in a way that really worked for the setting. Made it feel like a half-remembered dream.

The rest of them just read as bog standard BL stuff that evaporated all of 40k's mystery in a torrential rain of "patrician features."

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It's not like I think female super soldiers can't/shouldn't exist.


I hope so, Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence are super soldiers by all definition of the term. Though it could be a major change to be made to the Imperium to make it a properly patriarchal and machist society that erases women.

Far from it. Imo the important bit is that the Imperium is incredibly flawed, down to it's very foundation, and that it's flaws are perpetuated in an unbroken cycle, partly because it's heroes and icons are flawed.


That's a rather ''facile'' way of interpreting things. The Imperium has a lot of flaws and is supposed to be an insane and cruel regime, but it doesn't have ALL the flaws possibly imaginable. For example, the Imperium's racism is purely fantastic racism, that is racism toward aliens and other fantasy creature, it's not racist or social darwinian in the way we are accustomed on Earth. It's sexism is also dubious at best. While it does evoque some sexist-ish trope due to the Catholic fundamentalist ''vibe of the Imperium'' it doesn't seem to display any form of overt or class based sexism within the fluff with women found at any rank and position without mentionned of that being exceptionnal, weird or facing rejection from their peers. The Imperium could be sexist, and probably should be to certain extend to make it a properly repressive and ultra-fascist society, but it doesn't seem to be the case. It has its own brand of fantastical fascism.

You misinterpret me. I'm not suggesting that the Imperium at large is overtly sexist. I'm 100 percent down with SoS, SoB, female Guard, female Inquisitors, High Lords, all of that. All of that should be there and we should see more of it.

But the foundation of the Imperium is, in a nutshell, the following:
A hyper-patriarch (the Emperor), creates a band of hyper-patriarchs (Primarchs), and then derives from them the means to create his all-male hyper-violent men-at-arms (Space Marines), which in all their souped-up hypermasculinity wind up being very effective. . . but also causes the greatest man-made catastrophe to ever befall upon the human race, the Horus Heresy.

The Imperium, post Heresy, winds up being the exact opposite of what the Emperor wanted. The population worships the Emperor himself as a god, becoming the ultimate super-facist "strong-man". Space Marines are looked upon as great heroes (when they were intended to be tools, and I think done away with, post-Great Crusade), and in general the celebration of military leadership/sacrifice as the sort of ultimate virtue, and enlightenment values are frowned upon/persecuted. It's a total cultural nightmare.

So the Emperor tried to take this shortcut to victory by doubling/tripling+ down on super-ultra-warlord men, and instead created a 10,000 year long cautionary fable for which the moral could be R.B.G.s "Women belong in all places where decisions are being made." lol.


Edit: Oh yeah and I also think that the Custodes should have female members.

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 Insectum7 wrote:

You misinterpret me. I'm not suggesting that the Imperium at large is overtly sexist. I'm 100 percent down with SoS, SoB, female Guard, female Inquisitors, High Lords, all of that. All of that should be there and we should see more of it.

But the foundation of the Imperium is, in a nutshell, the following:
A hyper-patriarch (the Emperor), creates a band of hyper-patriarchs (Primarchs), and then derives from them the means to create his all-male hyper-violent men-at-arms (Space Marines), which in all their souped-up hypermasculinity wind up being very effective. . . but also causes the greatest man-made catastrophe to ever befall upon the human race, the Horus Heresy.

The Imperium, post Heresy, winds up being the exact opposite of what the Emperor wanted. The population worships the Emperor himself as a god, becoming the ultimate super-facist "strong-man". Space Marines are looked upon as great heroes (when they were intended to be tools, and I think done away with, post-Great Crusade), and in general the celebration of military leadership/sacrifice as the sort of ultimate virtue, and enlightenment values are frowned upon/persecuted. It's a total cultural nightmare.

So the Emperor tried to take this shortcut to victory by doubling/tripling+ down on super-ultra-warlord men, and instead created a 10,000 year long cautionary fable for which the moral could be R.B.G.s "Women belong in all places where decisions are being made." lol.


Edit: Oh yeah and I also think that the Custodes should have female members.


I do agree with you the way you described the Emperor's view of humanity, Space Marines and some of his views on gender. Ironically, while the Imperium in 10 000 years became fervently religious, a militarist society and reason feared and hated, it does seem to have become less sexist than in the days of the Emperor and probably more tolerant of human deviancies like abhumans, psykers, small mutants and other, more primitive cultures (if not by choice, by necessity).

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I tend to agree with the view that the horus heresy series demythologized the game's past and made it into a pretty schlocky 40K-lite. The first book was kind of fun and interesting, a look at the great crusade. I didn't take it super seriously, but I enjoyed it a lot. But by Flight of the Eisenstein you had full blown 40K style Plague Marines popping into existence in seconds, rather than any kind of slow corruption, and I knew the series was not going to be consistently worth reading.

But over time it's filled in detail all over the place, and given callbacks (callforwards?) to 40K like having the Pharos Device call the Tyranids and so on. And at the same time we've got 30K stuff invading 40K, having Cawl and Guilleman be around since then really violates core themes of the setting in a series way, or at least changes the core themes significantly so that they are no longer really related to the previous themes.

So maybe I should revise my answer to making the entire Horus Heresy series non-canon.

   
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I tend to agree with the view that the horus heresy series demythologized the game's past and made it into a pretty schlocky 40K-lite. The first book was kind of fun and interesting, a look at the great crusade. I didn't take it super seriously, but I enjoyed it a lot. But by Flight of the Eisenstein you had full blown 40K style Plague Marines popping into existence in seconds, rather than any kind of slow corruption, and I knew the series was not going to be consistently worth reading.

But over time it's filled in detail all over the place, and given callbacks (callforwards?) to 40K like having the Pharos Device call the Tyranids and so on. And at the same time we've got 30K stuff invading 40K, having Cawl and Guilleman be around since then really violates core themes of the setting in a series way, or at least changes the core themes significantly so that they are no longer really related to the previous themes.

So maybe I should revise my answer to making the entire Horus Heresy series non-canon.


My ideal ending to the HH series would big fight, Sanny dead, Horus dead, Emperor on throne everyone sad...

Cut to, Scribe Danil Ahabnaught in his cell. He cracks his knuckles and looks down at the parchment. He's just finished the last book in this little fan-fic speculative fiction project he's been writing with the other scribes in his temple. More than fifty scrolls of adventures set during the time of myth and legend. A fun way to while away their spare time between transcribing 500 year old tax records.

At which point the Inquisition kicks down the door and drag him and his buddies away.

The end.

 
   
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I always thought it was the birth of slaneesh that made the nids aware of the Milky Way.

I’m not sure how I feel about the tyranids, I feel like they have always just been there but that’s it. I really like them as an army but I feel like there should be more narrative development for them beyond being this swarm eating it’s way through the galaxy. I’d like see them take over a portion of the galaxy and have some agenda, even if it’s natural imperative rather than intelligent.
   
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Prior to the HH series of books, it was unclear what brought the 'Nids to the Milky Way, but one of the HH novels features a scene where this Pharos device is used and it attracts the attention of the 'Nids...

2021 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG

My [url=https://pileofpotential.com/dysartes]Pile of Potential[/url - updates ongoing...

Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.


 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
 
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