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 Registered Ork Offender wrote:
The thread on warseer is the funniest I've read in ages, I love a good forum fight. I figured it was a no brainer that crypteks could be upgraded as normal but actually if you read the rules then yeah RAW do make it pretty clear you can't upgrade the crypteks because they are not inside a royal court, staffs of light all round boys. col_impact must be trolling.

Honestly, never mind whatever Impact's been saying, I read it before even looking at his opinion and could see the only way you'd get the impression Harbingers could only exist in a court is taking a sentence out of the context of the paragraph it's in.

What the RAW actually says in that paragraph:

-Court Crypteks have permission to upgrade to the same Harbinger type,
-Because without that specific permission, this restriction on having the same wargear would ban doing that.

It's not like anyone follows the exact RAW anyway, technically if you nitpick the precise wording as written you can only take one Harbinger type in a single Royal Court and nobody does that. Sometimes you just need to relax and play the game.

[asking because I don't know]
If you play the CotBO formation, would it be separate from your CAD army? Or is it possible to play the formation as part of it?
Eg.
Overlord + Royal Court (5 Crypteks, all promoted to various Harbingers, 2 of which join the Shard)

 skoffs wrote:
[asking because I don't know]
If you play the CotBO formation, would it be separate from your CAD army? Or is it possible to play the formation as part of it?
Eg.
Overlord + Royal Court (5 Crypteks, all promoted to various Harbingers, 2 of which join the Shard)

Formations are separate from CAD.

You have your army, this are all the models you field.
Your army is built up of Detachments, which are basically subgroups in the army.
A unit can only belong to a single Detachment and Formations are also Detachments.

So in short: No, a model is either part of the Detachment or the CotBO but not both.

Otherwise an army could be both a Mephrit Dynasty Cohort and a CAD, gaining the rules from both.
This restriction means you either gain the Objective Secured or the Crownworld Reawakened-rule.

I'm not interested in the actual rule discussion itself, but reading the discussion on WS back then was a pretty good piece of entertainment.

Well my hunch is that the crypteks in the CotBO are probably not meant to be upgradable, simply from the design standpoint that it makes the formation far too powerful for the points.

Than again, deathmarks + harbinger of despair is probably also far too powerful for the points.

Alcibiades wrote:
Well my hunch is that the crypteks in the CotBO are probably not meant to be upgradable, simply from the design standpoint that it makes the formation far too powerful for the points.

Than again, deathmarks + harbinger of despair is probably also far too powerful for the points.

I have tested it. It seems on par with the amount of points invested in it and definitely not OP. You have to remember we are talking about an Imperial Knight level of point expenditure.

I also tested... and my opponent was Dark Eldar. It went about as well as you would expect, the C'tan blew up a vehicle and got poisoned to death. On the other hand, my Warriors in Ghost Arks and fully kited Barge Lord won the game for me.

 Nilok wrote:
I also tested... and my opponent was Dark Eldar. It went about as well as you would expect, the C'tan blew up a vehicle and got poisoned to death. On the other hand, my Warriors in Ghost Arks and fully kited Barge Lord won the game for me.

That's the rock, paper, scissor effect of certain match-ups. Compare it to the performance of a stormTek. The stormTek nets insane value in vehicle heavy matchups (like Pacific Rim, IG) while being very meh against horde, MC matchups.

This leads to the tactic of generally kitting him out to shine and do best against the weakness of your army (which is MC/horde heavy).

So a VeilTek, TimeSplinterTek Shard (with ES, TA) might be the best overall since it complements your strengths and patches your weaknesses elsewhere the most.


A VeilTek, TimeSplinterTek Shard (with ES, TA) is definitely going to be lackluster in certain match-ups, but ideally those will be the matchups you are strongest in, so the rest of your army can compensate for the lackluster performance.

I'm not sure about print/shipping times, but
Does anyone think the codex would have already been printed by the time the Exterminatus books with the Mephrit stuff came out?
(being, does anyone think they will have addressed any issues that might have arisen from stuff like the CotBO Harbinger-or-Cryptek hubbub in the codex, or will we be looking to FAQs?)

What do people think about the Obelisk? With serpents/hornets being all the rage for eldar, and other skimmers and flyers being very popular in all the major armies at the moment it seems like a decent choice? Plus it has 4x5 shot tesla guns, with 3 likely able to hit 1 target, and the last if anything gets behind it. It's kinda squishy but it means you can still spam the ABs and still have even more tesla firepower while covering the air nicely.

The tranny ctan and vault are normally banned in events here.

Jpr wrote:
with 3 likely able to hit 1 target,

In my experience test-running a Monolith, it's very hard to even get two of the corner weapons to fire at the same unit.

If it hit FMCs with it's airburst of doom thing, it would be the ultimate word in anti-air, but as is it's a touch overspecific.


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Jpr wrote:
The tranny ctan and vault are normally banned in events here.

Try a Pylon?

It no longer having interceptor to hit ground targets with it's D weapon sucks, but granting an invulnerable save bubble to a roughly 30 inch sphere of the battlefield is a huge boon if you play it right, and if placed centrally can at least flux-arc a few things before being relegated to snapshots.

Pylons are Apocalypse Only It's the Gauss Pylon that can be taken in 40k.
I think it is way too pricey for what it does.
We should also not forget that Skyfire allows you to fire at Skimmers with full BS.
Still doesn't make it good enough for 400+ points.

So has anyone tried the new Wargear on a Barge Lord? Seems Beastly, just wondering if the points increase is worth it since he was a beat stick before as well.

On paper looks good to me, just looking for other opinions since if you deck him out it comes to 300+pts which is a sizable chunk of an army.

I think you missed the last 3/4 pages...

 jy2 wrote:

Guys, I'm going to take my "Oldcrons" out for their Last Hurrah before they get updated. Expect them to bring it home at TSHFT GT over some fierce competition.


The Necron Mephrit Dynasty with Necron allies (self-allying allowed).

Wish me luck!

Assuming those are fully kitted bargeLords and the Warlord has solar thermasite, the 5 immortals and 2 stormTeks I see put the list at 1870. How are you squeezing the extra 20 in?

If I use the Mephrit Dynasty Cohort FOC to field the contents of the Mephrit Dynasty Recursion Decurion, can I apply the benefits of both the models that make up the Mephrit Dynasty Recursion Decurion ?



If so, I plan on fielding units of warriors, 20 strong, with Ghost Arks, flanking the Monolith in the middle of them, inside the bubble of a void shield generator, and laughing maniacally.

"Yeah, to wipe out that unit of warriors you have to go through 3 layers of AV 12, then wound them, and get through the 4+ saves, before I get to bring them back on a 4+, re rolling ones, and automatically repair 1d3+1d6 of them a turn. No, I am not kidding and I assure you it's all legal"

Feel free to refer to this as the Souza Maneuver, so I can enjoy the rage whenever it is mentioned

Thankfully no, they are separate detachments, just like how a Firebase Cadre Formation doesn't get Objective Secured (if it had troops) from the CAD.

The formation is completely outside your Core Detachment so it does not get any of the benefits for that detachment.

If you attached a Necron Lord with a res orb from the Mephrit Dynasty, I believe it will count as part of that unit from the formation, so it still wouldn't grant the re-roll 1s.

col_impact wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Guys, I'm going to take my "Oldcrons" out for their Last Hurrah before they get updated. Expect them to bring it home at TSHFT GT over some fierce competition.


The Necron Mephrit Dynasty with Necron allies (self-allying allowed).

Wish me luck!

Assuming those are fully kitted bargeLords and the Warlord has solar thermasite, the 5 immortals and 2 stormTeks I see put the list at 1870. How are you squeezing the extra 20 in?

No immortals. All just warriors. I just use the "immortal" unit to represent ObSec Necron warrior allies.

 Nilok wrote:

The formation is completely outside your Core Detachment so it does not get any of the benefits for that detachment.

FOILED AGAIN !!!!

It is confusing though, since some of the Mephrit Formations are made up of other Mephrit Formations.

The Mephrit Dynasty Cohort is a Core Detachment, like a CAD.

The Guardians of Perdita is a special Formation that includes other formations, who each bring their own rules. You will notice that it does not include a Mephrit Dynasty Cohort, or the MDC include any formations within it.

It's actually saying that it has the same models as that Formation.
Technically it wouldn't have the rules from the small Formation, which is why the special rules give special permission to gain the rules from the smaller ones.

I'm not arguing the point, I was just pointing out what lead to the confusion.

So Pylonstar just won Caledonian Uprising, the biggest 40k event in the UK. List was:

Obyron

Overlord (Phaeron, Semp Weave, Phase Shifter, Warscythe)

5 Warriors

5 Warriors

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths (1 whip coil)

A Barge

A Barge

3 x Sentry Pylon (death rays obvs)

Eldar Allies:

Farseer (Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan)

3 x Jetbikes

The tournament featured ETC players from Scotland, England, Belgium and Holland (not sure if there were any others there) as well as local tounrament winners from all over the country. VERY competent generals.

Wish I'd painted mine up and brought them now, though I think James Ramsay obviously played them very well.

Kholzerino wrote:
So Pylonstar just won Caledonian Uprising, the biggest 40k event in the UK. List was:

Obyron

Overlord (Phaeron, Semp Weave, Phase Shifter, Warscythe)

5 Warriors

5 Warriors

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths (1 whip coil)

A Barge

A Barge

3 x Sentry Pylon (death rays obvs)

Eldar Allies:

Farseer (Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan)

3 x Jetbikes

The tournament featured ETC players from Scotland, England, Belgium and Holland (not sure if there were any others there) as well as local tounrament winners from all over the country. VERY competent generals.

Wish I'd painted mine up and brought them now, though I think James Ramsay obviously played them very well.

How did the event play the Sentry Pylons? Were they played RAW or by some house rule? RAW they are indeed beastly.

Kholzerino wrote:
So Pylonstar just won Caledonian Uprising, the biggest 40k event in the UK.

My little deathstar's all grown up... I'm so proud!

col_impact wrote:


How did the event play the Sentry Pylons? Were they played RAW or by some house rule? RAW they are indeed beastly.

I didn't get to observe the game, but Tim, the event organiser, said at the end "he did win with some ForgeWorld cheese, but trust me... rules as written they are even worse than played" which I presume to mean that they didn't do the crazy number of wounds that is not rules as written. What was very smart was combining it with a wall of Wraiths. Meaning that you have two very immediate threats to contend with. What army is going to deal with both in turn one?

He seemed to do quite a bit of walking them too, rather than always relying on deepstrike. Once central, they have considerable reach...

What's the Farseer for, may I ask, that it's good enough to strip down to troops only being a mandatory buy that can't contribute much in order to get him?

changemod wrote:
What's the Farseer for, may I ask, that it's good enough to strip down to troops only being a mandatory buy that can't contribute much in order to get him?

My guess... summoning....

col_impact wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
So Pylonstar just won Caledonian Uprising, the biggest 40k event in the UK. List was:

Obyron

Overlord (Phaeron, Semp Weave, Phase Shifter, Warscythe)

5 Warriors

5 Warriors

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths

5 Wraiths (1 whip coil)

A Barge

A Barge

3 x Sentry Pylon (death rays obvs)

Eldar Allies:

Farseer (Jetbike, Spirit Stone of Anath'lan)

3 x Jetbikes

The tournament featured ETC players from Scotland, England, Belgium and Holland (not sure if there were any others there) as well as local tounrament winners from all over the country. VERY competent generals.

Wish I'd painted mine up and brought them now, though I think James Ramsay obviously played them very well.

How did the event play the Sentry Pylons? Were they played RAW or by some house rule? RAW they are indeed beastly.

Well, IMO, the Caledonian FAQ favored the pylons.

One of the biggest weaknesses of the pylons were against flyers/FMC's, and there were a lot of FMC's (flyrants) at the tournament.

However, Caledonia ruled it that the FDR can hit FMC's as long as the line did not target them initially (that they weren't the first unit hit). Thus, as long as you could hit another unit first, you could have the line hit FMC's as well.