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 Aetare wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
I said my piece a few times now about looted wagons on the fb page and have had likes n support today I asked if they could pass the communitys wishes about wanting looted wagons back and got a reply saying they would be passing the message along.
So I'd ask everyone to message on fb around 10am and 12am (U.K. Time) so it's more likely to be seen by the staff about looted wagons. Fingers crossed.
Also I don't see how the post I made about a new army builder on the community site for 8th is off topic. It new info and it's for 40k 8th isnt that what this thread is about. Also to the people on about paying for apps? Check the community site the AoS wars scroll builder is free and quite good so I assume the 40k one will be the same and that will be excellent if so.

Will do! Seeing them remove that unit really caught me off guard.

Also, it may not be "Removed", as much as "Gone Until Codex".
I mean they could have plans to let Ork Players add the Looted rule to most vehicles in the game with slight penalties and bonuses for being looted.
The fun part about 8th so far is, things are so basic they can go anywhere.

 MLaw wrote:
Space Marines and Chaos seem to be the only army that has largely been immune to the great watering down... but somehow those players are still not content..

You must have missed all the initial whining about Marks no longer exisitng as a thing or Chapters & Legion rules going the way of the dodo, or Emperor's Children & Thousand Sons not getting their own Psychic Power, or Obliterators losing their power fists and obliterator weapons, or mutilator weapons, or...

The point is, every army got watered down. Indeed Chaos Marines lost more options than most.
Most people moved on. While it does suck that Orks lost Looted Wagons (even if they were an afterthought in 7th anyway), and it does suck that the Orks lost a handful of FW units, it's not fair for you to say that "Oh, Chaos lost nothing of importance, why are you whining? Wait, I lost 4 vehicles! Orks are watered down!". I feel for you, losing any option sucks, but you aren't the only one who lost options or got watered down.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
Space Marines and Chaos seem to be the only army that has largely been immune to the great watering down... but somehow those players are still not content..

You must have missed all the initial whining about Marks no longer exisitng as a thing or Chapters & Legion rules going the way of the dodo, or Emperor's Children & Thousand Sons not getting their own Psychic Power, or Obliterators losing their power fists and obliterator weapons, or mutilator weapons, or...

The point is, every army got watered down. Indeed Chaos Marines lost more options than most.
Most people moved on. While it does suck that Orks lost Looted Wagons (even if they were an afterthought in 7th anyway), and it does suck that the Orks lost a handful of FW units, it's not fair for you to say that "Oh, Chaos lost nothing of importance, why are you whining? Wait, I lost 4 vehicles! Orks are watered down!". I feel for you, losing any option sucks, but you aren't the only one who lost options or got watered down.

So, they finally put Duncan in charge of a game system? Water everything down!

Expect to see two thin Codexes for each faction

I fully expect a codex a month, with a White Dwarf that revolves around that codex, and some new release related to that army.

I'd also wager they use that month to replace any remaining finecast models with a new plastic version.

There's almost no way we're going to get a codex a month along with new releases related to said codex.

Even when GW shifted their focus entirely on to Age of Sigmar, it didn't get a Battletome + New Release every month.

Sigmar was also an unknown quantity that had no history to justify such an intense release cadence. 40K might.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sigmar was also an unknown quantity that had no history to justify such an intense release cadence. 40K might.

I agree with this, I think 40k definitely has the backing for it. Even if they only release a bundle of existing models with it (Maybe on discount), like they did with the starter boxes.

We have campaigns and whatnot for new releases

I'm sure 40k has the backing for a Codex every month, the part I was doubting more the the new model releases part.

Sorry, should have made that clear.


For example, I doubt Orks or Dark Eldar will get new models when they get their new codex, instead they'd be like 'Blades of Khorne' and be released in the same month as another army release that is actually getting new models.

Age of sigmar got 10 battletomes in its first year, which included some very slow releases of just one kit a week. I could easily 10 codexes for 40k in the first 12 months and then slowing down into an alternating schedule with AOS after that.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Expect to see two thin Codexes for each faction

He was the mind behind Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus double-codex!


I don't remember where I read that in this warhammerfest GW has said that they have 15 books in production for 40k. How many of those are codex I don't know.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm sure 40k has the backing for a Codex every month, the part I was doubting more the the new model releases part.

Sorry, should have made that clear.


For example, I doubt Orks or Dark Eldar will get new models when they get their new codex, instead they'd be like 'Blades of Khorne' and be released in the same month as another army release that is actually getting new models.

I guess that will depend on how much gak GW is sat on, given the run into 8th has been lengthy without full Codex releases, it isn't inconceivable they're sat on a bunch of stuff ready to go.

Time will tell...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm sure 40k has the backing for a Codex every month, the part I was doubting more the the new model releases part.

Sorry, should have made that clear.


For example, I doubt Orks or Dark Eldar will get new models when they get their new codex, instead they'd be like 'Blades of Khorne' and be released in the same month as another army release that is actually getting new models.

As far as the new kit aspect goes I don't think we'll see kit releases with every Codex, or maybe we will, I can see 2 things happening

1.) We get new codexes quite frequently with the new kits being released for campaigns
2.) They release codexes 2 at a time to go with a campaign that includes models for those codexes

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm sure 40k has the backing for a Codex every month, the part I was doubting more the the new model releases part.

Sorry, should have made that clear.


For example, I doubt Orks or Dark Eldar will get new models when they get their new codex, instead they'd be like 'Blades of Khorne' and be released in the same month as another army release that is actually getting new models.

Except the possible buggy (from the rumor engine) and the very tenative kopta (from the bigbomm each kopta got free without any extant models), the ork release may be small. But I'm still holding out for a Merry Orkmass!

 Azreal13 wrote:
I guess that will depend on how much gak GW is sat on, given the run into 8th has been lengthy without full Codex releases, it isn't inconceivable they're sat on a bunch of stuff ready to go.

Time will tell...

We have to hope, as the (for some reason not free) 'get you by' Index Books are terrible for some armies, and delete several armies from the game (Legions? Chapters? What are those?).

Anyone seen more Forgeworld datasheets?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I guess that will depend on how much gak GW is sat on, given the run into 8th has been lengthy without full Codex releases, it isn't inconceivable they're sat on a bunch of stuff ready to go.

Time will tell...

We have to hope, as the (for some reason not free) 'get you by' Index Books are terrible for some armies, and delete several armies from the game (Legions? Chapters? What are those?).

Isn't it beautiful? Like 6th edition Ravening Hordes. Is the most balance 40k we are gonna have in decades.

Until the first codex arrives and we enter again that Alicia's rabbit hole

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
I said my piece a few times now about looted wagons on the fb page and have had likes n support today I asked if they could pass the communitys wishes about wanting looted wagons back and got a reply saying they would be passing the message along.
So I'd ask everyone to message on fb around 10am and 12am (U.K. Time) so it's more likely to be seen by the staff about looted wagons. Fingers crossed.
Also I don't see how the post I made about a new army builder on the community site for 8th is off topic. It new info and it's for 40k 8th isnt that what this thread is about. Also to the people on about paying for apps? Check the community site the AoS wars scroll builder is free and quite good so I assume the 40k one will be the same and that will be excellent if so.

Problem being if devs weren't already aware of the demand for looted wagon they would be quite ignorant. Not like this is first time they dropped it...

Let me just chime in with why Wagons (and alot of units, options, and wargear are gone), There's no official GW model for one.

This edition got rid of many conversions and anything not -straight-from-the-box that GW sells.

Chaos lost the bolters and chainsword option (and even melta bombs) because the official GW kit for Chaos Space Marines only gives you the parts to build one or the other (without conversions).

Unit composition has been reworked to represent the kit that it represents too. I was shocked to see CSM and Wolf Guard Terminators are no longer units of 3 but 5. Or Obliterators not one, but 3. All straight from the kit. So look in that direction for any hints to what may come back.

(Still baffled why the Ork Kommando kit has had Tankbusta Bombs clearly displayed on their backpacks for years, and have never been given them as wargear in any edition... and I'm so glad Korsarro Kahn kept his bike)


There will be no Missing/Added units and lost rules in future supplements/codexes without an official model to back it up. I can almost bet on it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
(Legions? Chapters? What are those?).

Abominations that encourage(and indeed neccesity it) chapter hopping and unfluffy crap like alk bike white scars all the time.

 Digclaw wrote:

 Aetare wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
I said my piece a few times now about looted wagons on the fb page and have had likes n support today I asked if they could pass the communitys wishes about wanting looted wagons back and got a reply saying they would be passing the message along.
So I'd ask everyone to message on fb around 10am and 12am (U.K. Time) so it's more likely to be seen by the staff about looted wagons. Fingers crossed.
Also I don't see how the post I made about a new army builder on the community site for 8th is off topic. It new info and it's for 40k 8th isnt that what this thread is about. Also to the people on about paying for apps? Check the community site the AoS wars scroll builder is free and quite good so I assume the 40k one will be the same and that will be excellent if so.

Will do! Seeing them remove that unit really caught me off guard.

Also, it may not be "Removed", as much as "Gone Until Codex".
I mean they could have plans to let Ork Players add the Looted rule to most vehicles in the game with slight penalties and bonuses for being looted.
The fun part about 8th so far is, things are so basic they can go anywhere.

I mailed them three days ago sending the list of the missing models (Ie models I bought from them!)
from the Kastorel Novem Book (IA8).
Got the same kind of answer. I hope they will make and release the datasheets.
Model older than that and oop got their datasheets in the two first books.

Get the Gunwagonz, Battle Forteresses,
looted wagonz, grotz launchas (at least) back For Gork (or is it Mork?) sake!!

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm sure 40k has the backing for a Codex every month, the part I was doubting more the the new model releases part.

Sorry, should have made that clear.


For example, I doubt Orks or Dark Eldar will get new models when they get their new codex, instead they'd be like 'Blades of Khorne' and be released in the same month as another army release that is actually getting new models.

Except the possible buggy (from the rumor engine) and the very tenative kopta (from the bigbomm each kopta got free without any extant models), the ork release may be small. But I'm still holding out for a Merry Orkmass!

Or we could see a number of smaller "subfaction" books with a few kits each to fill gaps in the ranges. Fyreslayers for example was 2 kits, a monster, and some characters. We could see things like a Codex: Speed Freaks with buggies, koptas, warboss on bike and a new unit of some sort. Dark Eldar book with Vect on a vehicle, incubi, Drazhar, and his corrupted wraithguard units. Eldar getting a couple aspect units and matching phoenix lords. Mechanicus getting a Skitarii alpha, transport, and flier.

Not all codices need to be major ones.

Drazhar has corrupted wraithguard units? What?

No, Vect has. I really hope they dont base a unit on them..

I am quite enjoying these Vox-Cast interviews, nice little insight in to the mind set of the guys behind the scenes.
I am loving what GW is putting out these days. Glad they have re-engaged the people again.

We'll have a chapter approved books to help with balance as those codexes come out.

Messiah wrote:
No, Vect has. I really hope they dont base a unit on them..

There was a lot of detail put into their descriptions, with two specific types. Makes it seem like a dual-kit that hasn't been released.

So far, I am happy with what I have seen so far.

Have a chaos cult who needs some love, I'm thinking that Nurgle contingent is a good add on....

I was a little off on the sigmarines, but considering that I have 3 or 4 army's of marines.... yeah, I'm good.

I'm guessing DG will be the first 8th codex/army considering pics of morty, new troops and terminators have been out for over a month now. I think we will get 4 of these based on the 4 main legions and a single supplement codex for the rest with similar for the other armies. Rules might well appear in WD and then accumulated into the supplement codex later.

At least I hope that is what happens as It keeps things neat. One of my biggest peeves with 7th were the masses of codices, supplements, datasheets, bits of paper and crap you needed just to play a game.

Von Marlon wrote:
At least I hope that is what happens as It keeps things neat. One of my biggest peeves with 7th were the masses of codices, supplements, datasheets, bits of paper and crap you needed just to play a game.

Agreed - as with every edition of GW's flagship games, it's going to live and die on the Codices, because they are without fail the cause of every edition 'downfall' Right now we're in the fantastic 'pre-codex' period that we havn't seen since 3rd edition launched, and there's every indication that balance can be maintained, but all it takes is one dodgy codex and we're right back in the same mess.

It depends what exactly the Codices are this time around - my belief is that they need to go back to being short 'supplements' (like in 3rd edition!) that simply add a few unit/wargear options and cut back on the 'guff' so as to not try to justify an obscene £20-£30 price tag for each one. I would like to see them as 'add-ons' to the Index books, rather than replacements, since it's a damn cheeky move to sell the Index books (for far more than they should be, in my opinion) only to completely replace them in very short order.

I'm all psyched up to enjoy the 'pre-Codex' time for as long as it lasts, but after that my skepticism alarm will be on standby again. Prove me wrong, GW. Prove that you've changed!