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I remember the old comics my grandma had over 20 years ago... didn't the hulk, punisher, and wolverine all fight spiderman? If so they can pretty much add in any majob marvel character.

I'm hoping for classic wolverine, deadpool, and captain america.

As for the toughness issue. The punisher and others seem far tougher than spidey. Read all the old comics. Spidey had fast reflexes and super strength, but he couldn't take much damage like venom or the punisher could.

Knight models has been very good at putting fluff into the rules so far

Ugh...its a Tim "Fething Tracer" Bradstreet Punisher. I'd have much preferred a Dillon or even better, a grizzled Campbell Punisher than a slick backed hair Vampire:The Masquerade reject.

Oh, I have no issue with Spidey, Punisher and DD all teaming up, it's an awesome combo and one that I will almost certainly run at some point. My issue was more that Spidey seems waaay too underpowered compared to the rest; he's exceptionally mobile, but his toughness and damage output mean that it's going to take him a fair while just to lay out a Henchman or two, let alone going head to head with someone like Goblin or Venom.

The rule about no VPs for casualties makes sense, but does also mean that taking Punisher in a Parker-Spidey team is a waste; he's all about killing, and with the two guns just about the best guy in the game for that job, but he won't be achieving anything with all that firepower. Likewise, when they (presumably) add cops to this game, their Arrests will be useless with Parker as with the way the rule is worded, there aren't any VPs for that too (easily fixed just by writing in an exception for Arrests, it's an oversight as it stands).

Downgrading Spidey's super-strength just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe the Knight Models team doesn't understand just how strong he is?

The movies certainly seemed to mostly downplay that aspect of his power set...

May I ask how people are getting Venom's rules? I can't seem to find him anywhere on the website, as if hes hes been pulled from stock..

They were posted on the BMG forums; Venom went up on the site briefly, then vanished. Behold:


Interestingly, this Marvel stuff is technically under the Knight Models Legends range, I hope that doesn't mean they end up KM exclusive. Has anyone seen them up for pre-order anywhere else yet?

Nice Thanks for sharing, do you have any more? it seems a lot of them have 'disappeared' so was wondering if any more had cards that are not available anymore?

Yeah i hope this isn't a KM exclusive as well as I think this has the potential to add more BMG players for crossover games

Ah, I did say I was going to copy over the whole list but I seem to have forgotten... Here goes!

Spidey Stuff:




Goblin stuff:




Also, apparently SMMG crews are meant to be set at 500 Rep according to the Tales of a Tabletop Skirmisher blog... Seems an interesting way of doing things, I might have a play and see what Batman crews can do at 500 and if that levels the playing field at all...

 Paradigm wrote:


Interestingly, this Marvel stuff is technically under the Knight Models Legends range, I hope that doesn't mean they end up KM exclusive. Has anyone seen them up for pre-order anywhere else yet?

It will all be KM exclusive for now. No one knows why as of now other than guessing. I would assume it has to do with their contracts with the respective companies, but I have no clue to be honest.

I'd assume if the game sells well enough direct, they would put it out like they do with BMG to other stores

erratyk wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:


Interestingly, this Marvel stuff is technically under the Knight Models Legends range, I hope that doesn't mean they end up KM exclusive. Has anyone seen them up for pre-order anywhere else yet?

It will all be KM exclusive for now. No one knows why as of now other than guessing. I would assume it has to do with their contracts with the respective companies, but I have no clue to be honest.

I'd assume if the game sells well enough direct, they would put it out like they do with BMG to other stores

In that case, I suggest that anyone in the UK or USA looking to get in on the Spidey stuff grabs the existing models from a retailer of choice (TrollTrader or The Outpost are good UK ones, don't know about the US). The cards will presumably all be free, so do yourselves a favour and save on both the minis and the shipping!

Miniature Market and is great for the USA,

Meeplemart is great for Canada.

MM has a very limited stock for Marvel atm, and I'm assuming won't be able to restock,

Meeplemart has plenty of Marvel stock left but only ships to Canada.

You could contact Endalyon at his webstore and see if he could get in some Marvel stuff. If he can, everyone in the States can take advantage of our abysmal Canadian dollar atm

Also, KM do free shipping over 100 euros. So great for bulk ordering, shipping to the States and Canada is a tad sketchy due to Spanish post though. I've ordered direct and had it both be really fast and agonizingly slow. It's a lot better shipped to Europe though.

Maybe Spidey's weakness is meant to reflect rules where he gets the tar beaten out of him before thinking about Aunt May and Mary Jay and getting his second wind

Been reading a lot of punisher comics latley so I picked up the punisher model. Doesn't have the card but I can print it. Might try to find a way to use him in the batman game while waiting for the marvel game to have more stuff that is like.

I am quite lucky that through Christmas pressies and a few purchases I made for myself I now own all the scarecrow milita miniatues for the batman game. Problem is I have no fething idea how I am going to play the Gatling brute due to his very high cash cost.

 carlos13th wrote:
Been reading a lot of punisher comics latley so I picked up the punisher model. Doesn't have the card but I can print it. Might try to find a way to use him in the batman game while waiting for the marvel game to have more stuff that is like.

I am quite lucky that through Christmas pressies and a few purchases I made for myself I now own all the scarecrow milita miniatues for the batman game. Problem is I have no fething idea how I am going to play the Gatling brute due to his very high cash cost.

Easy.

Waltz up the middle of table or in a place of LoS to the rooftops of buildings..

Set up threat range.

Guard Brute with other Militia/Free Agents.

I tell you now, nobody and I mean nobody will want that thing firing and will get it off the board as soon as they can because that high cost certainly really, really pays off when fighting against sidekick heavy bands or bands with big monster in, paying back its rep.

Tactically against swarms the Brute really suppresses them when split firing so, even if it doesn't get it rep cost back in killing, then it will most certainly get it back in tactical flexibility.

Only thing you have to worry about is board placement but after that then you're all set

I more meant how to actually fit it in a list and still afford other gak due to it costing about $800. But thanks for the tips on how to use it. i am sure it will come in handy.

I think you need to have either generic thugs or no funding cost free agents to fit it in your list as Militia have a lot of guns. Also if you want to use both Brutes you need a $500 Arkham Knight. So it's really hard fitting all the Militia in.

I think that they are looking mostly at street heroes and super criminals, in a similar way to the batman game. So i think heroes like black cat, moon knight, heroes of hire, cloak and dagger, darkhawk, and sleepwalker would be good choices. The ghost rider, dr. Strange and brother voodoo would be good but might be too powerful for this game.

Darkhawk and Sleepwalker?!?

Nice!

Child of the 90's?

I really, REALLY hope this means we will see a really good Hobgoblin & Carnage models, it will turn me from tempted to emptying my wallet.

Personally, I'm questioning whether or not there will be multiple versions of the Marvel game now. A Spiderman Game opens a lot of street level heroes and such, but has a very specific set of objectives that don't make sense for a number of other factions. Also, the rules are published online for free and there's not really any indication that a book will follow.

We know there's going to be SHIELD and Hydra; I'm guessing that's going to be their own game with their own objective. Maybe expanding into other agencies like AIM.

We also know there's a number of models that don't fit either very well, like Loki and Thanos. Maybe a third game with Avengers or X-Men as the focus.

Really, all that we know is that we don't know KM's plans.

I think the spider man game is an Expansion set For the batman game rather then its own game. Yes, like batman, their will be a focus on street level heroes and villians (in order to maintain ballance) groups like shield, hydra, aim, mob groups like kingpin, maggia famlies, and the hood and the hand would make perfect sence.

I think that meny members of the avengers, x-men, fantastic four, mi:11 and alpha flight are just too powerful for this game.

I've seen a few rumblings on the BMG forums that the first BMG supplement will be turning up in early 2016, the name 'Gods and Monsters' has been thrown around, and it's been mentioned that some of the current 'oddities' (ie. rules that currently do nothing, or don't interact with anything, or weapons/traits that seem pointless) will make a bit more sense.

As mentioned regarding some of the Marvel stuff, I think there is a definite ceiling on what can be reasonably included in the system before it just becomes too broken, so I do hope they don't push it too far. At the same time, the prospect of some more heavy hitters in BMG interests me.

Hmm...

Gods and Monsters is a very particular, very specific new DC Universe brand. That would be a rather... Curious choice of titling for the BMG.

Particularly, as this new brand very much revolves around, well, Gods and monsters...

EG

Batman is a vampiric Kurt Langstrom
Superman is the son of General Zod
Wonder Woman is the daughter of the Highfather - who killed Darkseid...

Yeah, I'm assuming (if it's even a thing and not just speculation that's become rumour somewhere along the line) it'll share nothing with the comic or animated movie of the same name, but rather just serve as a catch all title for an expansion introducing the more powerful heroes and villains of the DC universe (although as I say, hopefully not too powerful; a system that starts to break down with the likes of Venom and The Green Goblin cannot handle Superman or Wonder Woman or Doomsday, even in their assorted toned down forms).

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, I'm assuming (if it's even a thing and not just speculation that's become rumour somewhere along the line) it'll share nothing with the comic or animated movie of the same name, but rather just serve as a catch all title for an expansion introducing the more powerful heroes and villains of the DC universe (although as I say, hopefully not too powerful; a system that starts to break down with the likes of Venom and The Green Goblin cannot handle Superman or Wonder Woman or Doomsday, even in their assorted toned down forms).

Well if they did Lobo (who meant to be arguably more indestructible that the big S) and Swamp Thing (Who is meant to be basically a god) then Supes may come around..

But I agree, I hope they don't bring the meta-beings into it. I play BMG/SMG for the characters and the turf war style they play, not a team of just and only characters (which is what I'm seeing already)..

To be fair, I am a big fan of all-character teams, nothing like taking the Bat-family or Team Arrow for a spin, and I'm building towards a Suicide Squad as well. The issue is not heroes but the drastically more powerful heroes. Lobo and Swamp Thing are already drastically toned down, but I don't think you could drop Superman to the same level without ruining him... He'd need to be 350 points in his weakest form, I think (say the Man of Steel movie version, rather than the 'I can do anything' Silver Age version), and even then, the d6 system can't cover the gap between Clown With Knife and Superman....

One way to implement it (and this is just me brainstorming, I have no insight into what's coming up) would be having a trait (called, perhaps, Gods and Monsters or something similar) that meant the mechanics stay the same, but that character uses a D10 rather than a D6. That allows higher caps on action counters (eg, you could give Superman Attack 8 or something. 6s would still block, but he could make more attacks than anyone else in the game at the moment), and means you can do more powerful stats (likewise, Strength 2+ on a D6 on Spidey is not as good as Strength 2+ on a D10 on Supes).

Doubt anything like that'll happen though... could be a house-rule project at some point.

Ok some official stuff from the Facebook pages.

BMG and Spider-Man may be played together. Same rules and all.

Free Agents are linked to their own universe. So no Punisher with Batman or Deathstroke with Goblins.

At official events, crossover will not be allowed. BMG tournies will not have Spider-Man.

Of course, out of official events, all that matters is what yourmates like.

Just a heads up for any Mad Hatter fans looking for his crew, it's Wayland's deal of the day, at £18.69
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/rogues-gallery/26547-wonderland-gang

Anyone know how these scale next to Malifaux miniatures (the new plastic kind)? Was thinking of making an alternate crew using the Joker and Harley Quinn, but only if they are the right size.