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Viktor von Domm wrote:

Well, still plenty to do before the mud and grime hits it!

Oh, I am saving hiom for a different tank, and I needed to show compatibility with the minis.

yup...probably^^

and good idea to switch the commanders to get a more uniform look throughout the army!

Well, the new uniform colors will also help with that too!^^

The two closest designs in performance and carry capacity(12 men) are the "Chimera" aka B.M.D.-80 and the newer design "Lancer" aka B.M.P.-80. Both carry up to 12 soldiers, both are amphibious, there the similarity ends. The BMD-80 is slightly taller by about 1-2 feet depending upon variants and equipment attached than the BMP-80. One can also see that the BMP-80 has a wider track design, making it able to exchange parts with the T-104 Sabre as they share the same track shoes and wheels. The BMD-80 shares those similar feature with the T-100 Leman Russ models. Another difference is tha the heavy bolter is on the bow plat of the BMD-80 whereas the new servo turret of the BMP-80 is housing both the heavy bolter and Multi-laser. See pics below.
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One other similarity shared is an off-center location for the Turrets. Both are off t0o the right side of center on each design, but there is more deck sspace showed on the BMP-80
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Oddly enough, these different vehicles can indeed shield each other as the height difference is of little consequence. The commander of the BMD however can sit atop the vehicle and see what is around the area while the commander of the BMP-80 would use the sensoria in the servo turret to stay safely away from being a sniper's target unlike the BMD-80's commander.
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Though shorter in length than the BMP-80, the BMD-80 still hides the low slung BMP-80 well enough as seen below.
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Due to the design layout for the crew, turret systems and passenger and engine/transmission, the BMP-80 is overall a larger vehicle than the BMD-80. The BMP-80 is almost 2 meters longer than the BMD-80! While the transmission is in front of the engine, to the right of the driver, and in front of the turret/commander, the turret's placement also makes the passenger compartment "L" shaped while the BMD-80 is using a simpler "box" shaped passenger compartment
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Here, we see where the BMP-80 is wider than the BMD-80, nearly a full meter wider, this makes the BMP-80 a more "open country" and "expanded urban area" machine than the BMD-80 which is still wider than the BTR-90"Claymore" and BRDM-66 "Dragoon"
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Final image was set up to show the front differences between both machines, the BMD-80 on the right shows driver on the right side, and Heavy-Boltgun on the left side of the "Chimera", whilst the BMP-80 has the driver seated on the left side and the engine is to the right. Another note, while both APC's have turrets mounted slight to the right of center, the "Chimera" has it's turret mounted more to the front end of the hull, and the "Lancer" has it's turret further back and more midway between front and back due to the inverted "C" shape of Engine/Driver/Passenger compartments.
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It can also be noted that from above that the turret on "Lancer" is a larger design than that on the "Chimera" as it is housing both main weapons+sensori/augruies and support sysems, the BMD-80 has just the command cupola and weapon(Heavy bolter in this case with the Comms outside the turret. The Comms on the "BMP-80 are internally stored. This "all inside the armor" approach to the "Lancer" has brought it the nickname "Turtle" although it is meant to keep up with the "Sabre" class Fast-Tank, also having been built with the "fast" quality.

Looking at this back ramp, I think I will have to apply my new technique of stiple application of the mud color to it.
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380 likes speeding through the muddy rivers!
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So much that is really got mud flow over the hood!
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Here comes da Mud!~
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It sluiced in between channels between parts
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Deep running, and the effect the stipling has had is a more rough and natural mud "paint" effect, especially on the side armor slats.
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Back side ramps.
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And now for the second dirty Sabre
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On the side skirts especially, you can see how the flick brushing as a bas, followed by stipling effects changes the look of the mud and gives texture.It also gave me a thicker mud flow effect, it also makes it look less "brushed-on"
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Head on! see how the olde method(rt fender) looks compared to the new method(left fender)
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Dld productions....i think they went under.shame.

palehorse wrote:Dld productions....i think they went under.shame.

Hi Palehorse, yeah, they seem to be cooling off for a while, the 8-wheel looks great! If they had stayed open for making them, these would also have been in my collection as well.Still have Old Crow and the conversion kits from Chapterhouse to make wheeled transports.

shasolenzabi wrote:

palehorse wrote:Dld productions....i think they went under.shame.

Hi Palehorse, yeah, they seem to be cooling off for a while, the 8-wheel looks great! If they had stayed open for making them, these would also have been in my collection as well.Still have Old Crow and the conversion kits from Chapterhouse to make wheeled transports.

It really is a bummer about dld.Like you said old crow and the chapterhouse kits are cool as well.In reality i can't wait to get my hands on the chapter house kit!!I have two chimeras ready and waiting.


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Thanks for adding me new friend!!!
Not a tank but it has armor!

No problem! Like the combat pick up, how are you making it work/counts as?

I don't play these days but the combat trucks could count as sentinel or a salamander?

Interesting camo idea for the tanks.

palehorse wrote:I don't play these days but the combat trucks could count as sentinel or a salamander?

Been mostly busy painting the tanks myself, occasional games, but yeah, i can see them as either qa Salamander or sentinel stand in, with that many weapons, definite a Salamander recon vehicle, fast and well armed.

40k Ninja wrote:Interesting camo idea for the tanks.

Hello 40k Ninja, I explained the concept very early on in the thread, but that was quite some time ago, basically, the camo reflects the Highland Tundras opf the majority of Khadrovian Konfederacy planets, these are tanks and troops from a bleak and harsh environment, and their camo reflects this.

Your tanks have a very neo-nato look!
Hail the new world order!

I'm really diggingon the old crow armor you have!

palehorse wrote:Your tanks have a very neo-nato look!
Hail the new world order!

I'm really diggingon the old crow armor you have!

Once I have the cash flow agian, I intend to order more Old Crow vehicles Like the earlier stated Geckos, Goanna, and likely other vehicles for certain duties, and even support, Like their Tracked utility vehicle
=Trojan

Haven't seen more than a woodland pattern on them
Ahem, Citizen, please check yourself into the nearest re-education center, you will have 6hours to comply or you will be detained and taken there by the thought police!





Other projects for my Army
=APC



=Trojan

- Tauros Venetor

=Centaur

=Tauros Venetor

=Tauros

= Tauros

= Salamander

=Salamander/Centaur(based on size)

And gotta have supply trucks -Trojan Lite
and Troop transports =self expalnatory.,

with armaments of course!




And for Lancers hulls, maybe some more of them so i can use this:

whoa....missed really much here... your marketing description is at it´s best...as usual... if i recall corectly no one has done that before^^ what it now needs is some combat action footage vids...to really boost the sales^^

and concerning your future ideas of orders from OC...wouldn´t it be easier to just say what you are not inclined to order?^^

also seeing how you tested new methods of mudaplication...i like the siongled out patches of mud that are beyond the average mudline on the sabre... this makes it quite realistic looking...tho i have to say for the seam of the mudline is still think a sponge or foam from blisters would give a nice touch...

cheers, vik

Viktor von Domm wrote:whoa....missed really much here... your marketing description is at it´s best...as usual... if i recall corectly no one has done that before^^ what it now needs is some combat action footage vids...to really boost the sales^^

and concerning your future ideas of orders from OC...wouldn´t it be easier to just say what you are not inclined to order?^^

also seeing how you tested new methods of mudaplication...i like the siongled out patches of mud that are beyond the average mudline on the sabre... this makes it quite realistic looking...tho i have to say for the seam of the mudline is still think a sponge or foam from blisters would give a nice touch...

cheers, vik

See what happens when you let a tick bite you? You missed a lot!

Thanks, really did put plenty of thought into that fluffy sales pitch. Made the Lancer seem awesome sauce! Now to test it and it's revved out engines.

There were so few things I could pass up from OC!^^

Yeah, the second stipled effect really makes it look a bit more mucky, and well, the sponge doesn't allow as much for the plopped on look I was after, especially flung about at high speed like I was after.

Welcome back, take it slow and easy, work off that Lyme's disease.

yep these OC stuff is top shelf^^ if i had some money for these things...would these support tanks and trucks be usable in a game or would you just paint them up for the sake of having them?

both reasons would be fully legit in my book^^

Some I can make fit, the Pioneer and other crane tank do have actual Forgeworld analogy, the Chimera chgassis "Trojan" all purpose recovery/cargo/ammo and tow vehicle
P.S. I amended the pics above to show how they could be used.

thought so... i read some time ago in the imperial armour about certain vehicles...

Viktor von Domm wrote:thought so... i read some time ago in the imperial armour about certain vehicles...

It may look different, but I can make it work!

this i think too^^

And those nice turret packs will help a lot of them that are not show armed, become armed!

can´t have the big and punchy khardovian army come unarmed...now can we?^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:can´t have the big and punchy khardovian army come unarmed...now can we?^^

Exactly! even the supply trucks will get guns to fight with! At this rate, I may have an entire armored corps of about 100vehicles if this all goes as planned.

holy tidal wave of the empire^^ a true hammer!

Add in the couple hundred soldiers, and I am truly getting to major regiment size!

Sledge-hammer!

nuff said^^

LMAO!

I used to watch that show as a kid! good spoof!

But yeah, imagine the look I will get at a Apocalypse game when the whole load is used and unloaded at the opponents, a horde of troops AND vehicles!

psychological warefare through numbers...that is one way of winning the game^^

and i loved that show too for sure...