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BaronIveagh wrote:However, I just got Hostile Acquisitions and am mulling it over now. So far there are the usual proofreading errors and one disjunction between in book fluff text and in book rules text that makes my head hurt, so far.

I'm very interested to see your comments on this one, but I'm also interested in seeing the book.

Edit: I totally forgot I did a short review of Fallen Suns a while back, what with all the happenings and goings on. http://www.darkreign40k.com/drjoomla/index.php/news/1-latest-news/1334-journey-to-nowhere-the-baron-reviews-fallen-suns

Thanks for posting the review. I'm sorry to see that you didn't care for it, as the side bars that you dismissed as ineffective were really designed to try to address the things that disappointed you. If you'd like to give specific spoiler laden issues, please drop me a PM. At the same time, there were developmental decisions that dictated certain conditions and priorities, so I can understand and agree with your criticism.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And now you see one of my issues with First Founding. I think the adventure in that - and this is no comment on the quality of the adventure or a dig against the person who wrote it... which I think was fellow Dakkanaut John Dunn

Actually that one wasn't me. I didn't work on First Founding.

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=97615

Hostile Acquisitions now available to download

FFG wrote:Rising Tempest
Announcing an upcoming adventure in three parts for Deathwatch.



“There is nothing more abhorrent in the eyes of the Emperor than a traitor. He too suffered the serpent’s fangs. That greatest of betrayals serves as an admonition to us all: we can never wield too much suspicion."
–Lord Commander Sebiascor Ebongrave

As the conflict against the Tau approaches its breaking point and paranoia over their suspected acts of sedition reaches an all-time high, the infamous Lord Commander Ebongrave seeks allies he can trust in his campaign against disloyalty. But are Tau sympathizers really manoeuvring among the loyal citizens of the Imperium? And if so, what darker plans do they hold in store?

Fantasy Flight Games is pleased to announce the upcoming release of Rising Tempest, an adventure in three parts for Deathwatch! When the Tau make a play for dominance that threatens to tip the balance of power in the Canis Salient, they’ll unwittingly endanger the entire Jericho Reach... and only the Space Marines of the Deathwatch can stop them.


Three gripping adventures

Rising Tempest is an epic three-part adventure that takes players across the Canis Salient and into midst of the Hadex anomaly:

The Depths of Treachery—The Kill-team travels to the iron heart of the Canis Salient to eradicate a subversive xenos presence imperilling the might of the Imperial war machine. But stirring in the chaos of sedition and catastrophe, they’ll stumble upon something much darker.

Assault on Javar Nil—Pursuing clues of an ancient evil, the Battle-Brothers find themselves caught between the factions of a holy schism on the shrine world of Eleusis. There, they must safeguard the blessed core of the Achilus Crusade.

Exterminatus—Struck at the very bastion of their power, the Kill-team must brave the horrors of the Hadex anomaly and return to a long-lost citadel to save their galaxy from utter ruin!

A word from the developer



For more on Rising Tempest, here’s a word from lead developer Tim Flanders:

Coming to shelves as the latest adventure for the Deathwatch line, Rising Tempest is going to challenge players in ways they'd never expect. Deathwatch GMs have never wanted for villains, adversaries, and snarling monsters to face their players with, especially in a setting as hotly contested as the Jericho Reach. Right alongside the forces of Chaos and a full-scale Tyranid invasion, the Tau threaten the progress of the Achilus Crusade.

In Rising Tempest, players will learn just what makes a race like the Tau so dangerous to the mighty Imperium of Man. Game Masters will also have the opportunity to really challenge the honour and faith of their players' characters throughout the course of Rising Tempest, as they embroil their players in not only a conflict against a xenos threat, but also in the very heart and mind of the Achilus Crusade and a bitter feud within the ranks of the Ecclesiarchy. In the end, players and GMs may find that where bolter and power sword fail, the righteousness and grim determination of the Adeptus Astartes will carry them to victory.

Check back for more on Rising Tempest in the coming weeks, and look for it on store shelves in the second quarter of 2012!

As I’ve been saying about Deathwatch right from the very start – any opportunity to kill more Tau is a blessing. And I fixed a few spelling errors in the above news release. Heh.

I must say though the cover is not what I was expecting. Ah well.

Is that a nun sans gun in the background of the cover?

It is, but she does have a bolter. Look closer.

And they're fighting Tyranids for some reason.

Indeed she does have one (which I missed). So is the trend to have Deathwatch adventures come in three parts but one book and for DH/RT to get three separate books?

Each system gets both a single book containing three adventures and after that one, a trilogy of adventures linked together.

BrookM wrote:Each system gets both a single book containing three adventures and after that one, a trilogy of adventures linked together.

Then DW has already broken the mold as this is the second book containing three adventures (the first being The Emperor Protects). I'm not complaining as DW is my preferred flavor of 40k RPG and so is the combined book format... just curious if maybe the format is moving to the other systems (obviously after they finish any remaining 3 separate book story arcs in progress).

Review is up.

http://darkreign40k.com/drjoomla/index.php/news/1-latest-news/1341-send-lawyers-guns-and-money-the-baron-reviews-hostile-aquisitions

I agree with that bit in your review where you said that Fallen Suns had very good editing.

I'm interested in how you consider these things to be 'breaking canon', considering what constitutes canon in 40K and what doesn't. Moreover if it didn't fit with canon, then they wouldn't be in the book.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I agree with that bit in your review where you said that Fallen Suns had very good editing.

I'm interested in how you consider these things to be 'breaking canon', considering what constitutes canon in 40K and what doesn't. Moreover if it didn't fit with canon, then they wouldn't be in the book.

Not sure which one you're talking about, but... in the case of augers, no Imperial sensors could use visible light or passive sensors to detect anything (BFGM) this was to explain why IN ships in particular could not have rear facing turrets.

As far as the harpoon cannons: RT core book explicitly states that a VU is 10,000km, which is the range of a harpoon cannon (since it's used in place of the maneuver check). How the hell would anyone cross the chains in a single turn? And worse, how would it encumber even a transport with engines powerful enough to move asteroids (Into the Storm, I believe). I can see teleporters or fast assault craft crossing the distance, or even shuttles, but hand over hand rappelling down chains for 10,000km???

GW doesn't much care if it breaks FFG own canon in the series. And have generally been urinating all over existing BFG canon anyway, other then when it suits them to invoke it (see BFG FAQ2010).

I think you're looking at it too narrowly, The fluff is arbitrary, and what was written 10 years ago in a BFG rulebook might be changed or reinterpreted now.

The easiest way to look at it would be that if it violated GW's view of the 40K universe then it wouldn't appear in an FFG book (or any book for that matter).

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think you're looking at it too narrowly, The fluff is arbitrary, and what was written 10 years ago in a BFG rulebook might be changed or reinterpreted now.

The easiest way to look at it would be that if it violated GW's view of the 40K universe then it wouldn't appear in an FFG book (or any book for that matter).

Violate GW's view of 40k? The only way you could do that is have some sort of happy ending. Other then the slanneshi type. It entirely counts on who you talk to and what day it is. One week Jervis is all about BFG's old canon, the next, he wants to take a gak on Andy Chambers head.

It just bugs me the double standard between what GW put us through and what they're letting FFG get away with.

Now, granted, I have the Hell Party, but these are questions that anyone who's played the game until now is going to ask, because some of them are actually rules and statements that FFG has made in previous books on some of these stuff. This is every bit as much of a thing that editors should be coming down on as proof reading, even if GW doesn't take them to task. (granted, I could see the subtle reference to squats in the original description of hte lathes being removed in favor of something else, that's a minor point.) This we're messing with distances in a way that's kind of nonsensical and tosses suspension of disbelief out the window. I mean, that's one fast guy that can hand over hand down a chain at 20k miles an hour.

I think you've got a bit to much of a conspiracy theory bouncing around in your head - what FFG is 'getting away with'? Double standards?

The fluff is arbitrary. GW will change it whenever and however they want. It's been this way for years, and planting your feet and stubbornly refusing to accept that things can change is a path that will only lead to bitterness and frustration.

I get it, you're a big BFG fan, and you like what they did with that game and the fluff. But that was then, and this is now. Look over the history of 40K and find all the things that have changed. What we consider fluff now won't be 100% the same in 10 years time, so why get angry about it?

H.B.M.C. wrote:I think you've got a bit to much of a conspiracy theory bouncing around in your head - what FFG is 'getting away with'? Double standards?

The fluff is arbitrary. GW will change it whenever and however they want. It's been this way for years, and planting your feet and stubbornly refusing to accept that things can change is a path that will only lead to bitterness and frustration.

I get it, you're a big BFG fan, and you like what they did with that game and the fluff. But that was then, and this is now. Look over the history of 40K and find all the things that have changed. What we consider fluff now won't be 100% the same in 10 years time, so why get angry about it?

Hmm.... ok, I think I see your misunderstanding. This was a year or two ago, not when BFG first came out. In late 09 GW requested a new rules update for BFG (which eventually became FAQ 2010). GW made all sorts of requirements far and above what it seems that FFG has to deal with, and we even worked with Sam over at FFG to try and link up the two rulesets, so that fluff was coherent between the two. Nate Montes (one of the original BFG writers) and everyone else worked hard on it (including myself) and in the end, we all got gak on by Jervis over minor changes to BFG 'as was', stating that it 'did not match the printed books' (which, if you stop and think about it, is sort of what a FAQ does: modify RAW to correct serious imbalance and clarify rules)

Ironically, the pdfs GW has on their site also do not match the printed book, as they were part of an 2007 update that had been in the works when Chambers was shown the door.

So, FFG being allowed to make much more radical changes, is, to me, a slap in the face every time it happens. I expect FFG to be forced to jump through the same flaming rings that we were as far as adherence to existing text. (Actually, I'll admit in a visceral sort of way I'd like to see FFG work for a year on a book, meet all GW's ridiculous requirements, get it finished, and then have it shot to pieces at the last min by that sneering feth Jervis at Games Day, but that would be just as unfair to FFG as it was to us.)


And I see nothing wrong with calling it a violation of canon when it conflicts with the previous sourcebook published, if there was no edition change.

Got my copy of Hostile Acquisitions just now, digging it lots, creating a nemesis or two for my party will add some good fun to their actions.

Still waiting for Maelstrom to ship my copy. Might send 'em an E-mail this week. I get that the other two things I ordered at the same time (the Black Crusade book, and those Hordes assassin chicks... I don't know what they are, I don't play Warmahordes - I bought them because they'll make great assassins for DH) aren't out yet, but it has been and for a while now.

I dropped Maelstrom in favour of the Book Depository when it comes to books. Better prices, better shipping, great deals every now and then.

I was reading first founding found a few typo's

Miss Dee wrote:I was reading first founding found a few typo's

All of FFG's books have that issue.

Other then HB here, FFG seems sort of lax about that

H.B.M.C. wrote:I must say though the cover is not what I was expecting. Ah well.

warboss wrote:Is that a nun sans gun in the background of the cover?

Sisters of Battle on a Deathwatch book cover?! I believe if I were to ever 'squeeee', now would be that time....

Revarien wrote:
Sisters of Battle on a Deathwatch book cover?! I believe if I were to ever 'squeeee', now would be that time....

As long as it's not with Grey Knights... brrrrr...

warboss wrote:Is that a nun sans gun in the background of the cover?

Dude, that is a female space marine. I thank you.

crisps not chips wrote:Dude, that is a female space marine. I thank you.

Nuclear Launch Detected.

That's the kind've discussion that'd get this thread closed.

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's the kind've discussion that'd get this thread closed.

LOL Let's go all the way: FFG Publishes new book detailing female squat loyalist chaos space marines! By Matt Ward and CS Goto!

Please keep the thread on topic some of us don't want to see it closed.

Wow! Thats cool! LETS KILL SOME TAU!

That will teach those apologists.

poipo32 wrote:Please keep the thread on topic some of us don't want to see it closed.

If you can't spot sarcasm or humor, I'd hate to see what you make of my reviews of the real books...