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2007/07/19 07:31:01
Subject: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Stalwart Space Marine
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I tried to look to see if this was posted elsewhere, but i didn't see anything.
I am not asking for the legality of Forge World models in play or anything like that...here is my question.
I see nothing in the rules that states I couldn't take an IG Armored Company (i.e. all tanks) with Daemonhunter allies. Am i correct, or am I missing something in one of those books?
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2007/07/19 08:51:47
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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I don't think there are any rules explicitly saying that you can't. IIRC, Mauleed(?) mentioned AC with WH for a Gladiator.
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2007/07/19 11:05:30
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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p. 25, WH book, under Using Witch Hunters as Allies
"...Witch Hunters units can be included as allies in any of the following armies:
(skip SM section)
Imperial Guard and its variants, such as Catachan Jungle Fighters and Armageddon Steel Legion."
That's pretty unequivocal to me. I mean, Imperial Guard Armored Company is pretty clearly an Imperial Guard variant.
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2007/07/19 11:10:59
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Fixture of Dakka
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That's pretty unequivocal to me. I mean, Imperial Guard Armored Company is pretty clearly an Imperial Guard variant. I don't know that I'd agree with that statement. The (now obsolete) examples at least included references back to Codex: IG, and used something like the Force Org for an IG army. Where is the current AC list? Does it include any references back to Codex: IG?
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2007/07/19 11:15:39
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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On page 21 of the Daemonhunters Codex, in the grey box on the lower right of the page, under the title "Using Daemonhunters as Allies" is verbage that allows Daemonhunters to be used as allies with "Imperial Guard and its variants" (which would include Armoured Company). There are some limitations, so check the codex.
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2007/07/19 11:19:49
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Posted By Janthkin on 07/19/2007 4:10 PM
Where is the current AC list? Does it include any references back to Codex: IG?
A few references would include the following links http://uk.games-workshop.com/imperialguard/ac-armylist/1/ http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/gaming/ac_operations/default.htm Clearly, Armoured Company is Imperial Guard
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2007/07/19 11:24:22
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Posted By Janthkin on 07/19/2007 4:10 PM That's pretty unequivocal to me. I mean, Imperial Guard Armored Company is pretty clearly an Imperial Guard variant. I don't know that I'd agree with that statement. The (now obsolete) examples at least included references back to Codex: IG, and used something like the Force Org for an IG army. Where is the current AC list? Does it include any references back to Codex: IG?
Current AC list can be found at us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/gaming/ac_rules/assets/ac_rules.pdf And it does make references back to Codex: IG. For example, under "Imperial Guard Armory", it states "Full rules for wargear may be found in Codex: Imperial Guard." Under Elites, "Tech-Priest Enginseer, Per Codex: Imperial Guard." Admittedly, not many, but they are there.
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2007/07/20 04:50:58
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Well since the Armored Company uses imperial guard tanks and imperial guard guardsmen, I think you got a hard sell trying to convince anyone that Armored Company isn't an imperial guard variant. That having been said, the direct quotes Mitsugi242 pointed out state that you can use witch hunters in an imperial guard army.
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2007/07/20 04:58:43
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Well since the Armored Company uses imperial guard tanks and imperial guard guardsmen, I think you got a hard sell trying to convince anyone that Armored Company isn't an imperial guard variant Does that mean that Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters are 'Imperial Guard variants' as well since they can take those units?
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2007/07/20 15:59:41
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Does that mean that Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters are 'Imperial Guard variants' as well since they can take those units? Not to put words in his mouth, but I would guess his answer to you would be no. Do you have an opinion on the subject Ghaz?
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2007/07/20 18:32:10
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Nope, just showing how that particular argument is flawed.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2007/07/21 14:11:02
Subject: RE: IG Armored Company and Daemonhunters allied?
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Actually, the PDF rules do answer it pretty clearly. It's not an "Armored Company". Repeatedly in the rules it uses the title "Imperial Guard Armored Company".
Page 1:
"Imperial Guard Armory"
"Imperial Guard Vehicles"
"Imperial Guard Armored Company Summary"
Page 5 header:
"Imperial Guard Armored Company Doctrines"
Page 7 header:
"Imperial Guard Armored Company Vehicle Inventory"
"The Imperial Guard army is not noted... Tanks of the Imperial Guard..."
"Crew: Imperial Guard"
So, I would say it's a varient of the Imperial Guard.
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