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**Dedrith**

SM Dreadnought in Drop pod W/ Multi Melta - 140

**Dork Eldar**

Wraithlord with Brightlance - 130 pts

The autocannons would need 6's to wound, and the wraithlord still gets a 3+ save. Statistically you'd have to get 18 wounds from the autocannons to fail enough saves, meanwhile the wraithlord would only need 1 or 2 shots to score a penetrating hit.

EDIT: posted at the same time as the multimelta dreadnought, I think that would be a close call with a wraithlord.

EDIT 2: apparently it was posted way after...yay for not reading the very last page of the thread lol.

**Toeko**

Archon
Agoniser
Splinter Pistol
Combat Drugs
Shadow Field

131pts of win

**Mistress of minis**

Dork Eldar wrote:Wraithlord with Brightlance - 130 pts

Not the best choice really- 'Wraithsight' rule means 1/6th of the time it will just sit there.

But- DE Raider Squad- 5 guys, Dark lance, blaster, Raider- dark lance, night shield. 125 pts

**Toeko**

I'm not sure if yours would beat my Archon, I guess the radier is the win factor their, but!

for the life of me I can not think of anything to take out that squad lol.

A Warhound titan but that breaks some rules lol.

**Mistress of minis**

My DE squad was actually supposed to be vs the Wraithlord

Vs the Archon I would have went with a Splinter cannon to force more Shadow field saves til it failed.

And there are alot of counters to a DE squad that arent a warhound.

XV-8's, Devastators, Havocs, Dakka predator, IG vets all come to mind ^_^

**BIBBI**

8 scarabs with disruption fields, fly after you untill they get in range, you can't kill all of them with a unit that sucks that hard in combat, you cannot argue that 5 warriors don't suck in combat, I play DE, they lose to firewarriors

**Slarg232**

BIBBI wrote:8 scarabs with disruption fields, fly after you untill they get in range, you can't kill all of them with a unit that sucks that hard in combat, you cannot argue that 5 warriors don't suck in combat, I play DE, they lose to firewarriors

Points?

**Mistress of minis**

Scarabs are a close call- they move like jetbikes- so can turbo boost- and get an Inv save. And 16 pts each with the D-field.

They'll do glancing hits if they actually hit the raider- since they need 6's to hit.

And the lances & blaster will instant kill them.

But theyre fearless- so if they did hit the raider and immobilize it they could keep hitting/stunning so the guys on board couldnt shoot.

So, edge to the Scarabs- not having to make Difficult terrain checks and getting a +1 cover save makes them scary lil jet bike nuisances.

(But- DE are more than a match for Firewarriors- an 8 pt model vs a 12 pt model, better init, WS and BS. FW's got better armor and a better gun- but thats it.)

**Toeko**

Mistress of minis wrote:My DE squad was actually supposed to be vs the Wraithlord

Vs the Archon I would have went with a Splinter cannon to force more Shadow field saves til it failed.

And there are alot of counters to a DE squad that arent a warhound.

XV-8's, Devastators, Havocs, Dakka predator, IG vets all come to mind ^_^

very true. I just wanted a warhound! :(

Slarg232 wrote:
BIBBI wrote:8 scarabs with disruption fields, fly after you untill they get in range, you can't kill all of them with a unit that sucks that hard in combat, you cannot argue that 5 warriors don't suck in combat, I play DE, they lose to firewarriors

Points?

128

8 scarabs with disruption fields

Veteran squad,Shotguns for all except 3 with Flamers and Grenadiers. 115pts

**Inquisitor_Syphonious**

Mistress of minis wrote:
Dork Eldar wrote:Wraithlord with Brightlance - 130 pts

Not the best choice really- 'Wraithsight' rule means 1/6th of the time it will just sit there.

But- DE Raider Squad- 5 guys, Dark lance, blaster, Raider- dark lance, night shield. 125 pts

Aha, warwalkers to save the day!

2 of them, with scatter lasers, I would outflank, with 16 BS 3 S6 shots, not too shabby. At 36" range, minus 6" from nightshields, I should be able to reach you, and if after I destroy the raider you don't kill them with those guns, some lucky rolling will kill 2. The other will just sweep up the remaining warriors.

As for the total:

2 Warwalkers - 120 points
2 Scatter lasers each

@Dork Eldar
Autocannons need 5's to wound...

**Toeko**

That DE squad was killed by scarabs up towards the top a ways, and then I took the Scarabs with my vets. . . granted your walkers still take the vets their just looking at the wrong squad.

**HiveFleetGoliath**

The Doom of Malan'tai in Spore - 130

**Mistress of minis**

Eh, its dicey as to whether you'd come in on the same side of the board- so, if you did you'd have range and probly do ok. But warwalkers are BS3, which can be really underwhelming- figure 8 hits, of those only half will do anything. Scatter lasers are AP-, so theres a -1. and then factor in the 4+ save from zooming back & forth waitng for the outflank. That puts just 2 shots doing anything.

If ya come in on the wrong side- the raider is faster- so could manuever to make the most of the 6" sweet spot the night shield gives them. Warwalkers are jsut as fragile as the Raider is.

And why is everyone picking on my DE? They scarabs ate them already!

So, to counter:

Long Fangs- 1 squad leader, 3 fangs with missle launchers. Rhino. 125. Good multipurpose firepower- deploy into cover if facing tank busting units- or hide in the rhino if they cant pop it.

**ChrisCP**

TLBS Warbuggies x3 - 90

**Toeko**

Kroot Carnivore Squad
10 Kroot
Fast Reflexes
Shaper
Eviscerator
136pts

**Slarg232**

Noise Marines
5 Members
5 Sonic Blasters

125 points

**HiveFleetGoliath**

Is the Doom not allowed?

**Toeko**

yea he is perfectly allowed, my Kroot were in response to it. everything went all cwazy their for a second.

So as far as I can tell, the Noise Marines are the next up for a beating.

**Slarg232**

yup, Noiseys were meant to counter the kroot.

**ChrisCP**

My war buggies were for the Doom :(

For the Noise
Battlewagon DR and two Big Shootas - 120

**Mistress of minis**

Vendetta 120pts.

**Fafnir**

Something with a long range las cannon. Really, anything. Maybe a dred, the whole twin linked thing going on.

**DEATH89**

Heavy Weapons Squad 3 Lascannons, 105 pts

**Space_Potato**

Ork kommandos - 8 kommandos, 2 of which have burnas - 110pts

:EDIT:
Mis-spelled 'S_P'

S_P

**DEATH89**

5 Sternguard - 125pts

**BIBBI**

as many grots as you can possibly have for 125 points

**schizoreindeer**

10 Nobz (All have Cybork bodies)
Painboy
pk bosspole
pk WAAAGH! banner
pk
Big Choppa
Big Choppa shoota-skorcha combi
Stock
Shoota-skorcha combi
Bosspole
Stock

395

Battlewagon
Deff Rolla

110

Ghazghkull

225

Total: 730

**DEATH89**

3 Scout Sentinels with Multilasers, 105 pts

edit: points cost fail...

**Toeko**

schizoreindeer wrote:10 Nobz (All have Cybork bodies)
Painboy
pk bosspole
pk WAAAGH! banner
pk
Big Choppa
Big Choppa shoota-skorcha combi
Stock
Shoota-skorcha combi
Bosspole
Stock

395

Battlewagon
Deff Rolla

110

Ghazghkull

225

Total: 730

I know the original rules said up to like 5 units and no more than 1500pts. But the unwritten rule is to keep it as close as possible the previous point cost.

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DEATH89 wrote:3 Scout Sentinels with Multilasers, 105 pts

edit: points cost fail...

Kroot master shaper
Ork hybrid
Eviscerator
Mark of the favorued child
90pts