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halonachos wrote:Also, Mass Effect 2 is packing its bags and moving to the PS3. So Microsoft has Forza, Gears of War, Halo, and Fable still.

Are they releasing ME1 too? I gotta tell you, the default story build isn't the best

LordofHats wrote:

halonachos wrote:Also, Mass Effect 2 is packing its bags and moving to the PS3. So Microsoft has Forza, Gears of War, Halo, and Fable still.

Are they releasing ME1 too? I gotta tell you, the default story build isn't the best

It's not happening until Mass Effect 3(which is what's releasing on the PS3, with ME+ME2 potentially being released).

As to the number of console exclusives...

360(discounting XBL Arcade games) has 66 exclusives, available pretty much worldwide.

PS3 has 116 exclusives, but the issue is that a large number of them are exclusive to one region only.

Well that's good. I honestly think that ME2 is no where near as good without import saves. The default story line with no import isn't the best imo. There's no Wrex XD

No, ME2 is releasing next January with ME3 most likely being multiplatform.

ME will not be going on the PS3 at all similar to how MGS4 will not be on the 360.

As far as the whole uploaded story vs default story, I think that they'll have a short segment as a tutorial level and to also give ps3 owners a small semblance of an uploaded game.

Xbox 360 is better IMO, it just seems to me like they have better exclusives like Halo and Fable, And Ps3 sold a large demo (Gran Turismo 5, Prologue) for the price of a normal game which is pretty stupid

LordofHats wrote:This is going to come down to preference. Right now I think the 360 has access to a much wider variety of games, and good games. Many of the PS3's good games can also be found on the 360. The only killer apps the PS3 really has to itself thus far have been GoW3 and MGS4. They have other good games but lack the 360's larger number of exclusive killer apps; Halo, Gears, Fable, Mass Effect. The Xbox also has superior online, though it's online community is just horrible.

Right now the biggest weakness for PS3 is their lack of exclusive that can really sell the system. They have good ones but none save GoW and MGS can stand up against the might of Gears and Halo. This will likely change in the next year or so though. I don't see it staying this way.

Its funny you mention the "killer aps" because I happen to despise Halo with a passion (although it is quite enjoyable over lan after a long night of drinking with friends), and I find Fable and Mass Effect to be rather mediocre (but I've played soooo many RPG's over the years that it would take something truly amazing for me to get excited by one at all). Gears is the only one of the 4 "killer apps" that I enjoyed, but that happens to be available on PC...

And you missed Resistance and Killzone for PS3 (although to be honest, I was a bit disappointed by the second installments in both series. Resistance 2 seemed to backtrack on a lot of the cool backstory from the first game, and made the Chimera far more "generic sci-fi zombie aliens," and in general reminded me too much of Halo for its own good, and Killzone's storyline was a bit weak, multiplayer was not that great, and the storyline lacked the extremely varied campaign environments of the 1st one).

Other than that, I never could get used to the Xbox controller (I've been playing with the PS controller since the PS was released in the 90s), I just find it to be too big and unwieldy for comfort, and I despise Xbox Live because of the type of gamer I seem to run across (usually a spoiled pre-teen with too much time on their hands that likes to teamkill and scream incessantly over comms). PS3 online, in my experience, seems to cater to a slightly more mature gamer (although hilarity ensued when I ran across a couple of junkies from Manchester, England), and if they aren't, then I sure as hell would never know due to the general lack of comms.

Disagree. Now Halo may be generic but when the game first came out a decade ago (damn I'm getting old...) Halo CE was revolutionary and revitalized a stagnating FPS market that was in much the same state we see it in now; that state being a constant outpouring of games that are essentially little more than clones of each other with different wrapping paper. While Halo may be standard shooter far today, Bungie is one of the few publishers still putting out games that rise above the dribble. The only developers who really seem capable of it anymore are Bungie, Nintendo, and Bioware, and I highly doubt Bioware's long term sustainability now that their under EA's gold plated titanium fist of generic-ness. Pretty soon, baring unforeseen curcumstances, Nintendo and Bungie gonna be the only developers I have any respect for. All my old favorites have hit rock bottom (I'm looking at you Infinity Ward) or sold them selves out (yeah Blizzard that one was directed at you).

See, the funny thing is that the original Halo really didn't do all that much to revolutionize the shooter genre. It basically just took some innovative ideas from a few different games, slapped it together, and then gave the game an actual story worth paying attention to, sorta (unlike most other FPS games barring Half-Life).

Don't be fooled by Hollywood. AI will never be sentient, free thinking, or anything like that. A computer can only do what you tell it to do. Even if I were to program it to "learn" it's limited to learning whatever I have programmed it to learn and learning it in the way I programmed it to learn. YOu gan complicate the process infinitely, but in the end, a computer can only follow it's programming; it can't think. That's why it's Artificial Intelligence, as opposed to Synthetic Intelligence.

You need to read up on advances in AI some more. There are programs out there that now have the capacity to write and rewrite themselves, without any limitations, in order to make themselves capable of completing a certain task.

And they also proved (imo) that drawing ideas from multiple sources can combine into something good.

Only if you've been living under a rock all your life

Your avatar is an xbox 360 exclusive title. I sense cognitive dissonance.

No, ME 1 and 2 are both available on Windows, and ME 2 and 3 are both coming to PS3.

And the "truly free online play" is garbage, in my experience.

Relying on players to host games, etc is an idiotic way to do it for the most part.

Kanluwen, are you referring to the PS3? No clue what you're talking about. Bad Company 2, for example, is hosted by DICE servers, not by player hosts. Plenty of the more recent MP releases for PS3 are the same.

Opinion, and one not held by common media.

"The masses are asses." - John Locke

Besides that, the opinion IS held by me, so it means more than your opinion

No one will ever miss chromehounds.

I do. You lose.

The PS3 does not actually have better graphics, its GPU is weaker then the 360s while it's cpu is more powerful. This allows the PS3 to perform more advanced physics and particle operations but fewer shader operations with lower resolution or number of textures. There is an artifact of compression in 360 games though, the ps3 due to it's BD drive is able to pack far more high res textures into a game then the 360 is, even if it's not as capable of displaying them. Thus it will have fewer high res textures at once but they will appear much more often. Most multiplatform games look better on the 360, while a few notable first party ps3 games look better than comparable first party 360 titles (killzone v halo for instance).

It is actually noticable on a 40-50 inch flatscreen (trust me I know). Also, a multiplatform game will look best on the console it was originally coded for. My understanding is that most multiplatform titles start life on the 360 because it's easier to code for (and very similar to coding for PC, so its effectively killing two birds with one stone), and are then converted to PS3 afterwards. But heres what happens when the opposite is the case: http://www.community.eu.playstation.com/t5/Final-Fantasy/A-REAL-PS3-vs-360-graphic-comparison/m-p/10334083 (and thats with scaled back PS3 graphics btw, the test image from the PS3 version is not running at full capacity (supposedly)). And from what I recall, RSX is actually fairly on par with Xenos, but the PS3 has the added benefit of being able to lend extra cores from its processor to assist with graphics AND have additional cores working only on physics, etc.

If you can't tell, I voted for the PS3, but truth be told, I'm a little bit fed up with video games in general. For the most part it seems to be the same thing over and over again within any given genre. I'm looking forward to R.U.S.E. but other than that I'm wary of getting too excited for any game on either console.

Whether or not the killer apps are enjoyable by one person, or are good games, isn't really the point. I hate Gears and Fable. I think they're crap. But OTHER PEOPLE and a lot of them, love the games. The 360 has a lot of such games. That helps the 360 sell systems, which in turn contributes to a larger play base and more third party development and thus an increased games library. It's exclusives are pushing it ahead. The same isn't true of the PS3, which has plenty of exclusives, but not many with the same level of hype and popularity we see directed at Halo, Fable, Gears, and the like.

It basically just took some innovative ideas from a few different games, slapped it together, and then gave the game an actual story worth paying attention to, sorta (unlike most other FPS games barring Half-Life).

That's not revolutionizing? They pulled things together in a way no one had ever managed before, with a high degree of quality. Halo CE might not be novel in its core ideas, but the way they put everything together and executed it a novel way.

PS3 Has No Games!

360 Has No Games!

See, I too can create a compelling argument.

I think I said this before, but just in case I haven't; Microsoft supports Justin Bieber's "My World" tour.

halonachos wrote:Microsoft supports Justin Bieber's "My World" tour.

I dont think many people would care about that. Whats microsoft gonna get more attention for?? Bieber or their Xbox?? I have to say Xbox wins hands down....

The 360.

I have all seventh gen consoles, and my 360 is the most used.
Sure, the PS3 has some better exclusives - but I'd rather get the multi-platform for the 360 because they generally always have better graphics. Why pay the same for a lesser product?

I care that Bieber is supported by Microsoft....nothing should support him.
Alot of the reasons i hate Xbox and prefer PS3 have already been said.

johnscott10 wrote:

halonachos wrote:Microsoft supports Justin Bieber's "My World" tour.

I dont think many people would care about that. Whats microsoft gonna get more attention for?? Bieber or their Xbox?? I have to say Xbox wins hands down....

A company is going to support something that their demographic will enjoy and will also use it to try to get new members in as well.

As microsoft is supporting justin bieber their goals are one of two things: 1) Showing their demograpic that they support what they're into(little kids like Justin Bieber) 2) Micosoft is trying to get more little kids to support their products.

Its not what they'll get attention for johnscott, it shows microsoft marketing to younger kids.

The PSP has a kid as a spokesman, but they even say that the PSP "is for big boy games".

For me 360 at the moment hands down.

There hasn't been a PS3 exclusive game out yet that has made me want to buy the system.

Last time I had the PS2 first and it was when a game came out on the xbox (can't remember which one now) that I finally got one. Then found Halo and so forth.

But yeah, had a 360 since release day, still waiting for a PS3 title to turn up that actually makes me want to buy one.

Stuff like the PSN is nice, but still not a reason for me to get one. Hell the only reason I might have got one also was ended a few months back when a family member got me a blu-ray player.

PS3 means nothing to me atm.

The thing about the PS3 though is that it can run other operating systems(I'm sure that the 360 may be able to do that too, but that's besides the point) so it can actually play PC games. Games like Halo or any other microsoft exclusive.

However, you can play halo on the PS3 even if you don't install another OS on the PS3.



Oh the delicious irony.

You do realize that's a collection of animated shorts, not a game...right?

halonachos wrote:The thing about the PS3 though is that it can run other operating systems(I'm sure that the 360 may be able to do that too, but that's besides the point) so it can actually play PC games. Games like Halo or any other microsoft exclusive.

However, you can play halo on the PS3 even if you don't install another OS on the PS3.



Oh the delicious irony.

You know you they took out the other OS capability out months ago, right?

Console Wars... FTL?

Seriously guys, enjoy what you enjoy.

And, did this link get posted yet?

http://gear.ign.com/articles/111/1116182p1.html

halonachos wrote:

johnscott10 wrote:

halonachos wrote:Microsoft supports Justin Bieber's "My World" tour.

I dont think many people would care about that. Whats microsoft gonna get more attention for?? Bieber or their Xbox?? I have to say Xbox wins hands down....

A company is going to support something that their demographic will enjoy and will also use it to try to get new members in as well.

Not true. They'll support something that will get the message out about their product, or a spokesperson who actively uses their product and doesn't feel "false".

As microsoft is supporting justin bieber their goals are one of two things: 1) Showing their demograpic that they support what they're into(little kids like Justin Bieber) 2) Micosoft is trying to get more little kids to support their products.

Uh, bull. It's tween girls who like Justin Bieber. They also like Twilight and American Idol. Does Microsoft sponsor them?

Its not what they'll get attention for johnscott, it shows microsoft marketing to younger kids.

No, it shows them trying to gauge a market share that they currently don't have: 10-15 year old girls.

The PSP has a kid as a spokesman, but they even say that the PSP "is for big boy games".

So, Sony encourages kids to break laws regarding sales of content to minors? Oh wow. Not cool Sony.

Alpharius wrote:Console Wars... FTL?

Seriously guys, enjoy what you enjoy.

And, did this link get posted yet?

http://gear.ign.com/articles/111/1116182p1.html

Some of that is wrong/outdated.

360's can use flash drives and hard drives.

Actually, big boy games varies person to person.

A 5 year old can buy a game with the ratings of ec, E, E 10+, or T. You have to 17 to buy M rated stuff, but then the parents usually buy it for their darling child anyways.

E10+ and T could be big boy games.

Also, Kanluwen you kind of agreed with me. Little girls are little kids, trying to get new members is the same as getting a message out or gauging the demographic. So you basically argued the specifics of my general statement, thank you for agreeing with me.

halonachos wrote:Actually, big boy games varies person to person.

A 5 year old can buy a game with the ratings of ec, E, E 10+, or T. You have to 17 to buy M rated stuff, but then the parents usually buy it for their darling child anyways.

E10+ and T could be big boy games.

Also, Kanluwen you kind of agreed with me. Little girls are little kids, trying to get new members is the same as getting a message out or gauging the demographic. So you basically argued the specifics of my general statement, thank you for agreeing with me.

The "in your base, ignoring your logic" bit of your profile is very apt. It's like reasoning with a monkey, except the monkey can grasp simple concepts like marketing and ages.

When Sony says "big boy games", they immediately point to their PSP having things like a full length Metal Gear, a Resistance game, etc.
Those are both 'M'. Marcus, their spokesperson, is too young to play such things. That's exposing a minor to "harmful influences and themes". I'm surprised they've not been blasted for it, quite frankly.

10-15 years old, also, isn't "little kids". That's listed under "preteen/teen" in most demographic charts. There's a very big difference in the categories. And let's face it, with Kinect and their move to a more "family friendly" system coming this holiday season...they're trying to build up as much interest as they can in households they've got no install base in. Girls under 17, for the most part, don't want to play games curbstomping little Johnny's face in the ground, or beating up hookers. They want something that Microsoft currently has no way to gauge...but by supporting Bieber, they can at least get an interest generated in their upcoming product.

Something Sony's trying to do by having a "chance to win the new Sony Move before it's even out!", or by constantly mentioning it in every single press conference they've had.

Actually, Marcus is 12 years old.

MGS Peacewalker is rated T for teen, and in all of the videos featuring him he is playing either a rated E or rated T game. Resistance was not at all featured in any of those commercials. In another where he says the best game under $10 is fireteam bravo 2, that game is also rated T for teen.

Also, the thing with game ratings is that they are guidelines set by the ESRB. A 12 year old playing a T game is not illegal and neither is a 12 year old buying one.

It appears to be that Raleigh also ignores logic.

To me tweens are little kids. Little kids is a relative term so you can argue about how businesses and corporations have different marketing terms, but I am neither a businessman nor am I a corporate executive so I will stick with my non-business lingo.

So by your logic, Sony's still trying to sell stuff to little kids.

How is that different from Microsoft...?

I'll tell you why, Sony is trying to sell games to kids through a kid spokesperson.

Microsoft is supporting some canadian kid.

So, you'd rather they pay some spokeskid to hawk their wares?

Interesting. Am kinda curious as to how you know Microsoft is supporting Justin Bieber's tour though. Wikipedia has no listing of sponsors for the tour, Microsoft doesn't have it anywhere that I'm seeing either.

I go to school in a city called Norfolk. In Norfolk there is a thing called the Norfolk Scope which advertises shows on a big electronic billboard. I drive by this billboard everytime I go home. On this billboard I saw an advertisement for the Justin Bieber concert that was going to occur there.

It said "Microsoft presents Justin Bieber 'My World' tour" on it. That's how I know.

The thing isn't that they hired some kid to hawke their wares, they hired some american kid to hawke their wares. Microsoft was outsourcing by sponsoring a canadian kid and as we all know, canadians are liars.

Sony's a Japanese company, punkin. So he's a corporate shill for a foreign company.

At least Canada is America's hat, man.

Sony is indeed a japanese company, but a japanese company that is hiring americans.

Canada may be our hat, but it lets the cold air reach our head most of the time. If canada was a good hat, New York wouldn't have winter.

So basically, it's okay for a Japanese company to be hiring American spokespeople for commercials(that will only air in America, mind you)...but an American company can't support a Canadian?

*sniffs the air*

I smell hypocrisy!