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I always argue with this debate and IMO Xbox is better for the live, yes you have to pay, but its better and PS3 players always go on about blu ray which is HD TV just built in to the PS3 and the xbox can have as good graphics if you have an HDMI cable. Also the xbox exclusives are better such as Halo, PGR and Fable, anyways i just wanted to know what ya'll think is better

Oops, meant to vote PS3.

The PS3 is better in virtually every way. Cheaper, better community, MUCH lower failure rate, (IMO) a better selection of games. To each his own, though.

Also, Halo and Fable aren't exclusives.

Captain_Trips01 wrote:

Also, Halo and Fable aren't exclusives.

Yes they are, Exclusive to Microsoft, who owns Xbox

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Captain_Trips01 wrote:

Also, Halo and Fable aren't exclusives.

Yes they are, Exclusive to Microsoft, who owns Xbox

True, but they aren't exclusive to XBox. They're both available on PC.

Well, with the launch of the "new" Xbox which apparently whisper quite it should only be slightly louder than a PS3 considering that your standard 360 makes a HUGE amount of noise.

On top of this, I feel that when compared, our graphics are slightly better, the Xbox has some nice cut scenes, but nothing in game that is particularly amazing.

Next, I'll move onto the move and kinect systems. The move is cheaper while the kinect costs more, much like the PS3 compared to the Xbox. I have yet to see any games on the move, but the ones I see on the kinect system, I may as well use a wii for those as it seems they're just copying some of the most well known games from Nintendo. May I mention the wii is much cheaper and the most family friendly of these 3 systems but doesn’t have the graphics or game support that the PS3 and Xbox have.

Next, the exclusivity. Yes, you guys have halo an Fable, but the age of Xbox exclusivity is ending as the makers of halo (Bungie) leave to works with Activion, several games pledging exclusive support for the PS3 (Ex:Medal of honour on the PS3 also give a remastered version of MoH frontline)

Finally, Xbox does, I admit, have a better multi-player service but you have to pay for it.


Summary
PS3
+ Quieter
+ Slightly better graphics
+ Cheaper
+ Move system is cheaper
+ Growing exclusive support

- Multiplayer that isn't at Xbox standard but is still good.

Xbox
+ Good multiplayer experience
+ Halo and Fable exclusive, both good games in their own right.

- Kinect systems more expensive than a move
- Have to pay for multi-player
- Worse graphics out of cut scenes
- Noisy
- Expensive
- Creates allot of heat.

Thats how I feel.

Because this forum always needs more fanboy fuel, amirite?

The Dreadnote wrote:Because this forum always needs more fanboy fuel, amirite?

Oh my, didn't you think the OP's post was well phrased and supported his arguments well?

I mean, the Xbox can play BluRay quality movies with an HDMI cable, didn't you know that.......................?

BAWTRM wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Because this forum always needs more fanboy fuel, amirite?

Oh my, didn't you think the OP's post was well phrased and supported his arguments well?

I mean, the Xbox can play BluRay quality movies with an HDMI cable, didn't you know that.......................?

i said The Xbox has HD if you have a cable...

BAWTRM wrote:I mean, the Xbox can play BluRay quality movies with an HDMI cable, didn't you know that.......................?

You made a funny.

720i upscaling =/= 1080i native HD (blue ray) + Blue Ray supports 7.1 surround sound and higher (when enabled on the disk)

The PS3 isn't cheaper the Xbox has always been cheaper than the PS3.

Also on the argument of exclusives:

In the top 10 most purchased games for Xbox there are 4 non exclusives: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare + Modern Warfare 2 + World at War and Grand Theft Auto IV
the exclusives are: Halo 3/ Halo 3:ODST, Gears of War 1 + 2, Forza Motorsport 2, Fable II

In the to 10 most purchased games for PS3 there are 3 non exclusives: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Final Fantasy XIII, and Grand Theft Auto IV
and in the top 20 there are only 5 non-exclusives.

Xbox 360, cause ps3's exclusives don't interest me, except for killzone, but I ain't buyin for that.

wizard12 wrote:Well, with the launch of the "new" Xbox which apparently whisper quite it should only be slightly louder than a PS3 considering that your standard 360 makes a HUGE amount of noise.

I own a PS3 and a 360. The PS3 is far, far louder. I do not hear my 360, even with a fan attached to it. Your example is flawed.

On top of this, I feel that when compared, our graphics are slightly better, the Xbox has some nice cut scenes, but nothing in game that is particularly amazing.

Uh, graphics in game are actually the same for all intents and purposes. The only real difference is going to be "HURR! 3D! HURR!" crap that Sony's pushing.

Next, I'll move onto the move and kinect systems. The move is cheaper while the kinect costs more, much like the PS3 compared to the Xbox. I have yet to see any games on the move, but the ones I see on the kinect system, I may as well use a wii for those as it seems they're just copying some of the most well known games from Nintendo. May I mention the wii is much cheaper and the most family friendly of these 3 systems but doesn’t have the graphics or game support that the PS3 and Xbox have.

The Move is cheaper for one unit. Each Move requires two controllers at $50+$30 each+the initial investment of an EyeToy(no word yet on if EACH Move requires an EyeToy, or if it can track multiples. If each Move requires an EyeToy, you're looking at either buying an $80 PER person bundle to use the Move...alongside of getting endless amounts of bundled copies of the Sony WiiSports). Kinect supports 4 people/per unit @ $159.99.

Next, the exclusivity. Yes, you guys have halo an Fable, but the age of Xbox exclusivity is ending as the makers of halo (Bungie) leave to works with Activion, several games pledging exclusive support for the PS3 (Ex:Medal of honour on the PS3 also give a remastered version of MoH frontline)

lolwut? Exclusivity, period, for the titles themselves is coming to an end. Metal Gear is launching on 360, Mass Effect 3 looks set to launch on PS3, etc.

The only "exclusive" is going to be DLC and when it's launched. Activision, for example, has signed it so all Call of Duty content is launching on 360 first, months in advance.

Finally, Xbox does, I admit, have a better multi-player service but you have to pay for it.

And you definitely get what you pay for. Not only does Live give you access to a buttload of DLC, but it also allows for downloading/streaming movies, TV shows, etc.

Of course that's also going to be rolled into the Playstation Plus service...which apparently you have to...

*gasp*
Pay for!

Kanluwen wrote:
I own a PS3 and a 360. The PS3 is far, far louder. I do not hear my 360, even with a fan attached to it. Your example is flawed.

Your PS3 then must be really loud. Mine barely makes a sound. My elite is isn't loud or anything, but isn't exactly quiet either.

Kanluwen wrote: Uh, graphics in game are actually the same for all intents and purposes. The only real difference is going to be "HURR! 3D! HURR!" crap that Sony's pushing.

This depends on the game and it's ability to scale to whatever TV you're running.
Final Fantasy XIII for example.
720p gameplay, 1080p cinematics (PS3)
576p (Xbox 360)

So no, not all the same.

Xbox 360 is better in my opinion.

I have a personal prefernce for the 360, but this is due more to intangible reasons than anything else. I just like the total package better than the PS3s. In terms of features, games, and the like the two systems seem to me to be practicaly identical (I know that the video and audio philes will probably argue that with me ), certainly to a greater extent than has been seen in previous console generations where there were clear differences. True, you pay for Xbox Live gold, but TBH the cost is pretty nominal for me and doesn't factor into the equation a whole lot.

Imo i prefer the 360 the online is more enjoyable and the controller is very comfortable unlike the PS3's where a 'claw' like grip is required to hold it..........

Imo i prefer the 360 the online is more enjoyable and the controller is very comfortable unlike the PS3's where a 'claw' like grip is required to hold it..........

Imo i prefer the 360 the online is more enjoyable and the controller is very comfortable unlike the PS3's where a 'claw' like grip is required to hold it..........

PS3 Has no games !

For me the only deciding factor would be if there were people I wanted to play with online, I would buy what ever they had.

This is going to come down to preference. Right now I think the 360 has access to a much wider variety of games, and good games. Many of the PS3's good games can also be found on the 360. The only killer apps the PS3 really has to itself thus far have been GoW3 and MGS4. They have other good games but lack the 360's larger number of exclusive killer apps; Halo, Gears, Fable, Mass Effect. The Xbox also has superior online, though it's online community is just horrible.

Right now the biggest weakness for PS3 is their lack of exclusive that can really sell the system. They have good ones but none save GoW and MGS can stand up against the might of Gears and Halo. This will likely change in the next year or so though. I don't see it staying this way.

However as a previous poster mentioned exclusivity is coming too an end. Its not financially sustainable anymore for a developer to make a game for just one platform. The costs of a single game are too high.

I've been saying for years that eventually game consoles are just gonna be the equivalent of DVD players. You buy whichever brand works for you and then you just buy the games you want. The loss of exclusivity is step one in the process.

This depends on the game and it's ability to scale to whatever TV you're running.
Final Fantasy XIII for example.
720p gameplay, 1080p cinematics (PS3)
576p (Xbox 360)

So no, not all the same.

I think what he meant was that we've nearly hit the limit of what we can do with graphics in respect to photo realism. I don't think the typical TV watcher or gamer can really tell the difference between 576, 720, and 1080. I'm a hardcore gamer, and I honestly, don't see what the big deal is. I see the difference, but it's so tiny as far as what really matters goes that I'm like "You have 1080P? So what?". The geist of it is that graphics pretty soon aren't going to be a selling point anymore, because we've pretty much hit the wall of affordability and practicality. And even in the end, graphics are just graphics. They don't sell games as well as gameplay does.

To me they came out as equals when I thought about purchasing them. Yes the ps3 is a little ahead with graphics capabilities but the online capabilities of the 360 top the ps3's. I got the 360 first because of one particular game. Dead or Alive 4. I still play it and it was a launch title. I own em both and still don't consider one "better" overall. Like most people who have been gaming for 20+ years I know to just check the exclusive titles and get whatever system has more games I want to play.

Xbox 360 by far. The games are better. PS3 has slightly better Graphics, but only a tad. They market that buy showing how much more Streamline and Sleak the PS3 is. The Xbox was built around Online play, where as the PS3 was not. And the amount of RRoD in an Xbox is very slim if you don't get the arcade. Anyways, people got the RRoD because of 4-6 hours of intense online play time on the Arcade which wasn't designed to do that. With the new fixes, the RRoD is gone.

I'd a get a PS3 if I sold my soul (I vastly prefer the controller to the xbox)... but hey, I already have plenty of PCs capable of playing anything and more than either console, and the only tiny little piece of crap stinking up my world is that gameplay quality in general has fallen significantly due to games being made for oversimplified controllers.

Move/move/whatever is a gimmick, and regardless of what you pay for them, they're worth the same in the end.

I wouldn't buy a console for Halo titles because they're an unoriginal and completely underwhelming catalog of games.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I'd a get a PS3 if I sold my soul (I vastly prefer the controller to the xbox)... but hey, I already have plenty of PCs capable of playing anything and more than either console, and the only tiny little piece of crap stinking up my world is that gameplay quality in general has fallen significantly due to games being made for oversimplified controllers.

Agree. It's not just controllers though. It's general catering to the casual gamer with oversimplification and dumbing down, and the general habit of games being a gradual succession of clones with an occasional original idea being thrown in once every five years if we're lucky.

I wouldn't buy a console for Halo titles because they're an unoriginal and completely underwhelming catalog of games.

Disagree. Now Halo may be generic but when the game first came out a decade ago (damn I'm getting old...) Halo CE was revolutionary and revitalized a stagnating FPS market that was in much the same state we see it in now; that state being a constant outpouring of games that are essentially little more than clones of each other with different wrapping paper. While Halo may be standard shooter far today, Bungie is one of the few publishers still putting out games that rise above the dribble. The only developers who really seem capable of it anymore are Bungie, Nintendo, and Bioware, and I highly doubt Bioware's long term sustainability now that their under EA's gold plated titanium fist of generic-ness. Pretty soon, baring unforeseen curcumstances, Nintendo and Bungie gonna be the only developers I have any respect for. All my old favorites have hit rock bottom (I'm looking at you Infinity Ward) or sold them selves out (yeah Blizzard that one was directed at you).

If my only choices are crap, I'll take Bungie's high quality crap that entertains me for at least an hour for every dollar I spent and thank them for somehow managing to maintain the quality.

Xbox, mainly because its alot cheaper than a ps3. Plus no one I know owns a ps3, so yeah, no point getting one.

When I bought my 360, the price difference was enough to pay for about 4 years of live subscription (about 1 year to go on that and any my 360 is still going strong, despite being dropped on the floor by my wife ).

I have to say that I've never really liked the games on the PS, ever since it was released and I was always a PC gamer until I got my 360 (and perhaps when I got my xbox, but less so).

Even now there are only a handful of games on the PS that I can't get on the 360 that I might be interested in, and none of them is good enough to tempt me into buying one.

I've always found the PS controller to be really uncomfortable as well. I remember getting hand cramp from using my brother's PS1 controller for anything longer than 30 minutes.

As has been mentioned, no one I know has a PS3, so there was not really much point in me getting one (not that I wanted one anyway ) so I could play against them online.

So yeah, I prefer the 360 over the PS3.

LordofHats wrote:This is going to come down to preference. Right now I think the 360 has access to a much wider variety of games, and good games. Many of the PS3's good games can also be found on the 360. The only killer apps the PS3 really has to itself thus far have been GoW3 and MGS4. They have other good games but lack the 360's larger number of exclusive killer apps; Halo, Gears, Fable, Mass Effect. The Xbox also has superior online, though it's online community is just horrible.

Right now the biggest weakness for PS3 is their lack of exclusive that can really sell the system. They have good ones but none save GoW and MGS can stand up against the might of Gears and Halo. This will likely change in the next year or so though. I don't see it staying this way.

Exclusives for the PS3:
Mod Nation Racers
SOCOM 4
SOCOM: Confrentation
Killzone 3
Killzone 2
inFamous 1/2
Uncharted 1/2
God of War 1/2/3
MAG
Heavy Rain
LittleBigPlanet 1/2
Grand Trusimo 5

and they are many more worth while PS3 exclusives

Squig_herder wrote:

LordofHats wrote:This is going to come down to preference. Right now I think the 360 has access to a much wider variety of games, and good games. Many of the PS3's good games can also be found on the 360. The only killer apps the PS3 really has to itself thus far have been GoW3 and MGS4. They have other good games but lack the 360's larger number of exclusive killer apps; Halo, Gears, Fable, Mass Effect. The Xbox also has superior online, though it's online community is just horrible.

Right now the biggest weakness for PS3 is their lack of exclusive that can really sell the system. They have good ones but none save GoW and MGS can stand up against the might of Gears and Halo. This will likely change in the next year or so though. I don't see it staying this way.

Exclusives for the PS3:
Mod Nation Racers
SOCOM 4
SOCOM: Confrentation
Killzone 3
Killzone 2
inFamous 1/2
Uncharted 1/2
God of War 1/2/3
MAG
Heavy Rain
LittleBigPlanet 1/2
Grand Trusimo 5

and they are many more worth while PS3 exclusives

I never said there were none. Read the post again. There are many and I'm sure they're good. But look at that list of games again. How many there seem to carry the same level of hype that Halo or Gears of War do? Grand Trrismo and God of War are about it. I suppose I should include SOCOM, but I forgot that series existed XD. It's been so long since they released an actual sequel.

Uncharted, Mod Nation (heard good things), LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain etc I'm not saying they aren't good or worthwhile. They're like side kicks. Side kicks are good (the good ones, I don't think Killzone or MAG are all that good), but they aren't the heroes. PS3 AT THIS TIME, doesn't have very many heroes. Block buster games with massive fan bases and hype built up around them so much you wonder if the game comes with crack or something. These games sell systems, because of good games, they're like Superman. Other heroes are cool, but Superman is just so overtop, the rest of the heroes seem like silly people running around in their underwear. PS3 doesn't seem to carry those with it at the moment. No where near as many as the XBox is totting around.

PS: GoW 1-2 don't count, they're PS2 games. Yes I know you can play them but I'm sticking to games made for the system. I'm not counting KoTOR for the Xbox 360. Grand Turismo isn't out yet.

Like I said in my post. I expect it to change. PS2 was in much the same situation, but it was alright for the PS2 to sit there because it had a massive library of decent games to fall back on. That advantage went to the 360 this generation, so the PS has to counter by finding something that can really sell the system. Sony, as much as I hate them, aren't idiots. They'll realize this eventually if they haven't already.

I cast my vote in for the 360. I have both but have gotten more out of my 360. Then again I'm without games for my PS3 plus I play WoW anyway.

The 360 does seem to have a nice library though... Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3... actually you could also say thats why it might suck.

*runs off to play WoW*