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agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote: Either it is or it isn't, but it isn't both at once.

Area's with greater proportions of rural and/or small towns are vastly more homogeneous than area's with major population centers. That being said, the majority of middle america is comparatively far more homogeneous than the sea boards. Tis not the same things as "yeah, well is Indiana homogeneous".

Does that make more sense? You're asking me to answer a question on specifics with a question about generalities. Thats not possible and it borders on a fallacy.

Actually what I'm asking for you to do is to stand by your original statement or admit you were wrong. What I am getting though is a lot of this:

Ahtman wrote:

agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote: Either it is or it isn't, but it isn't both at once.

Area's with greater proportions of rural and/or small towns are vastly more homogeneous than area's with major population centers. That being said, the majority of middle america is comparatively far more homogeneous than the sea boards. Tis not the same things as "yeah, well is Indiana homogeneous".

Does that make more sense? You're asking me to answer a question on specifics with a question about generalities. Thats not possible and it borders on a fallacy.

Actually what I'm asking for you to do is to stand by your original statement or admit you were wrong. What I am getting though is a lot of this:

<shrug> If thats what yah think then its what yah think.

agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote: Either it is or it isn't, but it isn't both at once.

Area's with greater proportions of rural and/or small towns are vastly more homogeneous than area's with major population centers. That being said, the majority of middle america is comparatively far more homogeneous than the sea boards. Tis not the same things as "yeah, well is Indiana homogeneous".

Does that make more sense? You're asking me to answer a question on specifics with a question about generalities. Thats not possible and it borders on a fallacy.

Actually what I'm asking for you to do is to stand by your original statement or admit you were wrong. What I am getting though is a lot of this:

<shrug> If thats what yah think then its what yah think.

This isn't some nebulous thing like defining justice. It isn't a subjective issue where someone can agree to disagree. You make a clear cut statement that the Midwest was homogeneous. We all saw it and it is there on the page, you can't deny it. When pressed to on the subject you then changed your tune all the while trying to pretend that you were still right. You were wrong when you said it, you were wrong when you tried to pretend like saying something was homogeneous and not homogeneous at the same time, and you are still wrong while you are now trying to play it off. Just accept it. There is no shame in admitting that you said something without thinking it through, but continually pretending not to see the truth when it stares you in the face is just silly.

Ahtman wrote: You make a clear cut statement that the Midwest was homogeneous. We all saw it and it is there on the page, you can't deny it. When pressed to on the subject you then changed your tune all the while trying to pretend that you were still right. You were wrong when you said it, you were wrong when you tried to pretend like saying something was homogeneous and not homogeneous at the same time, and you are still wrong while you are now trying to play it off. Just accept it. There is no shame in admitting that you said something without thinking it through, but continually pretending not to see the truth when it stares you in the face is just silly.

I'm not denying what I said, neither am I contradicting it. I made a broad generalization about the cultural state of middle America as opposed to the eastern and western seaboards. Apparently you don't like the answers I gave you, but this isn't a cut and dry question when you start demanding specifics of smaller and smaller geographic areas. Unless you are implying that states like Kansas have the same degree of ethnic and cultural heterogeneity that major population centers do?

I believe your question was "Do you think Indiana is homogeneous"....which is impossible to answer without taking a look at demographic information and other data. On the WHOLE Indiana is far more homogeneous than a state like Arizona, California, New York, etc. Perhaps there may be a city or cities that have exceedingly high numbers of immigrant population, but that doesn't apply to the entire state.

There are less people living in many STATES than there are in either the Los Angeles, New York, San Fransisco, or Atlanta greater metro areas. Of course that kind of density leads to more ethnic groups represented in a disproportionally small geographic area. Stating that is not in any way contradictory to the statement that the vast majority of middle America is far more homogeneous in comparison to major metro areas, specifically taking into account the western and eastern seaboards.

IE having a black guy that lives in your neighborhood =/= you living in a predominantly African American community.

Again, your attempts to create a logical fallacy are based on what would appear to be a lack of understanding of the question you are approaching.

I hate that the PM of my country abandons a citizen as soon as it is politically expedient.
I also hate that the PM of my country doesnt condemn commentators from another country that are calling for the assassination of an australian citizen.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I hate that the PM of my country abandons a citizen as soon as it is politically expedient.
I also hate that the PM of my country doesnt condemn commentators from another country that are calling for the assassination of an australian citizen.

Wait, which one?

Which PM?
The soulless ginger one.
Apparently she is also a female but thats not important!!

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Which PM?
The soulless ginger one.
Apparently she is also a female but thats not important!!

It's not her fault. She was born English. *shrug*

agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote: You make a clear cut statement that the Midwest was homogeneous. We all saw it and it is there on the page, you can't deny it. When pressed to on the subject you then changed your tune all the while trying to pretend that you were still right. You were wrong when you said it, you were wrong when you tried to pretend like saying something was homogeneous and not homogeneous at the same time, and you are still wrong while you are now trying to play it off. Just accept it. There is no shame in admitting that you said something without thinking it through, but continually pretending not to see the truth when it stares you in the face is just silly.

I'm not denying what I said, neither am I contradicting it. I made a broad generalization about the cultural state of middle America as opposed to the eastern and western seaboards. Apparently you don't like the answers I gave you, but this isn't a cut and dry question when you start demanding specifics of smaller and smaller geographic areas. Unless you are implying that states like Kansas have the same degree of ethnic and cultural heterogeneity that major population centers do?

I believe your question was "Do you think Indiana is homogeneous"....which is impossible to answer without taking a look at demographic information and other data. On the WHOLE Indiana is far more homogeneous than a state like Arizona, California, New York, etc. Perhaps there may be a city or cities that have exceedingly high numbers of immigrant population, but that doesn't apply to the entire state.

There are less people living in many STATES than there are in either the Los Angeles, New York, San Fransisco, or Atlanta greater metro areas. Of course that kind of density leads to more ethnic groups represented in a disproportionally small geographic area. Stating that is not in any way contradictory to the statement that the vast majority of middle America is far more homogeneous in comparison to major metro areas, specifically taking into account the western and eastern seaboards.

IE having a black guy that lives in your neighborhood =/= you living in a predominantly African American community.

Again, your attempts to create a logical fallacy are based on what would appear to be a lack of understanding of the question you are approaching.

Again, that is all a nice deflection but you keep moving further from your original statement without seemingly realizing that you are or are purposely being obstinate in accepting you were talking out your exhaust pipe. Your chronic inability to realize/accept that you were in error is becoming a bit sad in how you are trying to distance yourself from your original statement. You claimed all women are pregnant and then when I asked you if Julie was pregnant you started hemming and hawing becuase you could not say yes, in essence. Your "broad generalization about the cultural state of middle America" was a crappy, superficial observation than and it still is now. There is a difference between a fallacy and being wrong, and you are on the wrong side of that. The more you talk about this the more obvious it is that you really don't have a clue about the realities of the places you are trying to talk about.

agroszkiewicz wrote:
Ethnicity, country of origin, and length of time spent stateside.

Even by those criteria the Midwest is not homogeneous.

Maybe the part of the Midwest that you were from was less diverse than the part that I'm from, and currently live in, but that doesn't mean that all places in the Midwest are equally non-diverse. Or, for that matter, that the entirety of the Midwest is less diverse than either coast.

Things I hate about the USA:
Its refusal to permit the annexation of Canada, Mexico, and Australia. 50 states is so passe. 100 states is the new black!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:Which PM?
The soulless ginger one.
Apparently she is also a female but thats not important!!

It's not her fault. She was born English. *shrug*

*menacing glare*

Frazzled wrote:Things I hate about the USA:
Its refusal to permit the annexation of Canada, Mexico, and Australia. 50 states is so passe. 100 states is the new black!

We will fight you back with our hockey sticks! Damn Texan.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Things I hate about the USA:
Its refusal to permit the annexation of Canada, Mexico, and Australia. 50 states is so passe. 100 states is the new black!

We will fight you back with our hockey sticks! Damn Texan.

We have analyzed your technological and defensive capabilities. Resistance is futile. You will be adapted to serve..us.

Besides then we really can call ourselves Americans or the BAUSA (Big Assed United States of America) our new motto "we're bigger than your continent."

You underestimate the power of the Hockey stick sir. Prepare for 200 years of guerilla warfare that mostly involves you getting hit in the head with sticks.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:You underestimate the power of the Hockey stick sir. Prepare for 200 years of guerilla warfare that mostly involves you getting hit in the head with sticks.

Sounds like the last Frat party I was at...

I hate all the politically correct bs. I mean, I wish we were all born ethnically and racialy colorblind. It's the other crap, which is at it's core a repression of human instinct, that I'm against.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:You underestimate the power of the Hockey stick sir. Prepare for 200 years of guerilla warfare that mostly involves you getting hit in the head with sticks.

Careful. Wendy's owns Tim Hortons. Don't make us cut you off!!!