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Monster Rain wrote:Clearly you've never had really good Barbecue.

Texas is bascially 'land of the infinite brisket slab.' I do like it, but its not enough to keep the South around

What i hate from my country? a looot of things
Our pityful politicians... after the 70's when Adolfo Suarez and the chamber approved our actual Constitution, we never had another politician worthy of respect, each legislature, worst and worst, just look past 7 years, we were one of the most whealthy countries in the EU and now we have 4 million without job (me included)... actual Politicians are dumb as hell, and even worst, because the oposition are no way better....

Separatism can be seen everywhere without being prosecuted and punished, especially in "Vasque country" (i'm sure you know something about ETA), Cataluña (annoying flag-burners, non-dangerous by now), if its not the previous mentioned problems, we had a total, absolute, lack of Culture...pfff if i don't write more is because i don't know how to write it.... the educational sistem is an epic fail, i remember wher i was in the army few years ago in the dressing room, a young soldier came to put his uniform on... the problem was, he came with a sleveless red shirt with a criss-crossed hammer and sicke with a great CCCP... i laughed at the moment and then asked him. "Hey Rugama, you know what you shirt means?" and he told me "no, what means?" just imagine my face...

another problems is the ilegal immigration, and legal too, for some reason i don't know how explain to yourselves, they are contracted nearly at the moment, in fact, in some aspects they have more right than a natural born Spanish!! just for example, last year one of my sisters lived with my with his son, just on front of my house ther is an awesome and brand new school, when my sister came to find place for his son in this school they told her. "The remaining places are only for immigrants".... take your conclusions....

there's even more to tell... but i think its enough

Element206 wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Clearly you've never had really good Barbecue.

Texas is bascially 'land of the infinite brisket slab.' I do like it, but its not enough to keep the South around

What about Molly Hatchet?

I don't know why the South gets all this hate when New Jersey is really the state we should be discussing sawing off of the country.

Well, the south is disliked but still has enough positive elements to at least be thought of whereas New Jersey doesn't even have that going for it.

Monster Rain wrote:

Element206 wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Clearly you've never had really good Barbecue.

Texas is bascially 'land of the infinite brisket slab.' I do like it, but its not enough to keep the South around

What about Molly Hatchet?

I don't know why the South gets all this hate when New Jersey is really the state we should be discussing sawing off of the country.

Yeah, the south is great. People are actually nice, the weather isn't complete gak, and the bible beaters are pretty easy to ignore.

I don't know why anyone would want to live in, for example, New Jersey.

There is truth in this.

Of the places I've been or lived, the ones I disliked the most were New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma, and Texas.

rubiksnoob wrote: I don't know why anyone would want to live in, for example, New Jersey.

yeah, when they're not incessantly soliciting you to come to their church.


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dogma wrote:There is truth in this.

Of the places I've been or lived, the ones I disliked the most were New Jersey, Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma, and Texas.

I largely agree with your sentiments here; however, Washington, more specifically Seattle is a great place to live, especially if your a gamer of any sort. The city is great, the tapography is wonderful, excellent food and plenty to do, not to mention the comic shops and gaming stores you will find everywhere. I think most people get hung up on the weather factor....in all honesty though, having lived there for 19 years, its not as bad as people think. In fact more cities on the east coast have a higher annual rainfall as opposed to Wa.

Element206 wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote: I don't know why anyone would want to live in, for example, New Jersey.

yeah, when they're not incessantly soliciting you to come to their church.

That's really just a myth about the south. While it is true that there are some religious crazies down here, they aren't as pushy as eveyone seems to think. I've been asked to youthgroups or church functions a few times, but after telling them, "No thanks, I'm not Christian." they don't bother you about it again. Worst case scenario is, upon learning that you are not a "believer", they never talk to you again, and that's not exactly unbearable.

Middlesborough, Sunderland, Warington, Grimsby and Stoke. The last one in particular because it doesn't have a bypass.

rubiksnoob wrote:That's really just a myth about the south. While it is true that there are some religious crazies down here, they aren't as pushy as eveyone seems to think. I've been asked to youthgroups or church functions a few times, but after telling them, "No thanks, I'm not Christian." they don't bother you about it again. Worst case scenario is, upon learning that you are not a "believer", they never talk to you again, and that's not exactly unbearable.

well I have experienced it first hand so I dont consider it a myth. Obviously while not everyone beats the bible here, a significant amount do and come off a bit enthnocentric about it (only in some cases). Your right, there not that pushy, never said they were, the only thing im claiming is that they are abundant and they love to infuse religion in conversation more often than is comfortable. Seriously, in the smaller towns it seems like the ratio of chruches to residential homes is like 1:4!

whatwhat wrote:Middlesborough, Sunderland, Warington, Grimsby and Stoke. The last one in particular because it doesn't have a bypass.

"It's a bypass. You've got to build bypasses."

whatwhat wrote:Middlesborough, Sunderland, Warington, Grimsby and Stoke. The last one in particular because it doesn't have a bypass.

You spelt Middlesbrough wrong you damned savage.

Oh and Warrington.

Oh the shame of it.

It's kind of telling that this thread is 4 pages longer than its counterpart.

I guess people love to complain.

rubiksnoob wrote:It's kind of telling that this thread is 4 pages longer than its counterpart.

I guess people love to complain.

It's pretty sad. The interwebs loves complaining.

dogma wrote:

agroszkiewicz wrote:
Yep, I grew up in middle American and in the southern US. My statements are based on personal observation from living in 12 states over my lifetime, 5 of which have been in the last 10 years.


Trust me, its not the same.

We're probably going have to agree to disagree.

I've lived in the Midwest for a long time, but I'm also pretty well traveled, and have done stints on both coasts. Obviously every location is different, but I would be hard pressed to describe any region as homogeneous.

Compare voter demographics and census information on cultural/immigrant populations in the larger metropolitan area's of the US compared to the more rural small town areas. I'm not trying to say that a city like Houston is demographically homogeneous, simply that the overall culture is that way in comparison to the western and eastern seaboards. This is pretty easy to grasp since those are also the two gateway's for immigrants coming here....well and the Mexico border I suppose but undocumented immigrants are a whole nother issue.

So you would categorize, for example, Indiana as a homogeneous group, yes?

Ahtman wrote:So you would categorize, for example, Indiana as a homogeneous group, yes?

Depends on the part. The more dense a population center, the more heterogeneous the area will be. Plus you have to factor in initial bases of an immigrant population such as the VERY high number of Hmong and other displaced minorities. Using Hmong as an example in this case simply because they are a well known cultural group that has had extreme difficulty in assimilating into American culture.

There are also factors such as whether or not the industry in the area actively employs immigrant populations similar to every major grocery chain in California. <shrug>

Hmong are a well known cultural group now?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Hmong are a well known cultural group now?

Around here they are. Its an example of dense immigrant population centers in restricted geographical locations. Similar to large business (like ummm, chicken farms in the south) that attract disproportionally large numbers of immigrant persons to employ them for substandard wages in unsafe working conditions. Happens alot, and the more dense the urban center the more frequent it is to receive displaced populations.

I hate career politicians. I hate laws that make no sense to me. I hate people who think that in between California and New York there is just a sea of slack jawed yokels. I hate Republicans for ruining the term Conservative, and I hate Democrats for ruining the term Liberal. I hate people who are racist and can't admit it. I hate people that blame racism for all their problems. I hate PETA and the Green movement. I hate the fact that we consider scientology a real religion. I Really hate the fact that scientology is highlighted as being misspelled because I didn't capitalize the S. Mostly though, I hate the fact that I still love this stupid, incoherent excuse for a nation. Bastards.

agroszkiewicz wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Hmong are a well known cultural group now?

Around here they are. Its an example of dense immigrant population centers in restricted geographical locations. Similar to large business (like ummm, chicken farms in the south) that attract disproportionally large numbers of immigrant persons to employ them for substandard wages in unsafe working conditions. Happens alot, and the more dense the urban center the more frequent it is to receive displaced populations.

where are you? San Fran?

agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote:So you would categorize, for example, Indiana as a homogeneous group, yes?

Depends on the part. The more dense a population center, the more heterogeneous the area will be. Plus you have to factor in initial bases of an immigrant population such as the VERY high number of Hmong and other displaced minorities. Using Hmong as an example in this case simply because they are a well known cultural group that has had extreme difficulty in assimilating into American culture.

There are also factors such as whether or not the industry in the area actively employs immigrant populations similar to every major grocery chain in California. <shrug>

That's nice and all, about the Hmong and California, but you didn't answer the question.

I thought everyone knew about the Hmong after Grand Torino.

Ahtman wrote:

agroszkiewicz wrote:

Ahtman wrote:So you would categorize, for example, Indiana as a homogeneous group, yes?

Depends on the part. The more dense a population center, the more heterogeneous the area will be. Plus you have to factor in initial bases of an immigrant population such as the VERY high number of Hmong and other displaced minorities. Using Hmong as an example in this case simply because they are a well known cultural group that has had extreme difficulty in assimilating into American culture.

There are also factors such as whether or not the industry in the area actively employs immigrant populations similar to every major grocery chain in California. <shrug>

That's nice and all, about the Hmong and California, but you didn't answer the question.

Bolded for you. I did answer.


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Monster Rain wrote:I thought everyone knew about the Hmong after Grand Torino.

lulz

You can't seem to settle on an answer. First you say the Midwest is homogeneous and then when asked a direct question as whether it is you say maybe. Either it is or it isn't, but it isn't both at once. You can't say it is homogeneous and then turn around and say that only parts are. If it is split up into parts it isn't homogeneous. Lots of different communities that are different would be the opposite of the claim you made.

agroszkiewicz wrote:
Compare voter demographics and census information on cultural/immigrant populations in the larger metropolitan area's of the US compared to the more rural small town areas. I'm not trying to say that a city like Houston is demographically homogeneous, simply that the overall culture is that way in comparison to the western and eastern seaboards. This is pretty easy to grasp since those are also the two gateway's for immigrants coming here....well and the Mexico border I suppose but undocumented immigrants are a whole nother issue.

What voter demographics? Party registration? Ethnicity? Religion?

If that's what you limit your understanding of cultural diversity to its no wonder that you see so much homogeneity.

I think you may have a claim regarding the broad familiarity that many people have with most of the cultural groups in the Midwest, or at least the stereotypes of those cultural groups, but they certainly aren't a homogeneous mix same.

I mean, if I can drive an hour outside of Chicago and immediately feel out of place, there isn't a whole lot of homogeneity going on. The same can be said of my friends who grew up in Coles County driving into Champaign..

We've got a crapload of Hmong in Minnesota and Wisconsin, and the largest population of Somalis in the US is Minneapolis.

Ahtman wrote: Either it is or it isn't, but it isn't both at once.

Area's with greater proportions of rural and/or small towns are vastly more homogeneous than area's with major population centers. That being said, the majority of middle america is comparatively far more homogeneous than the sea boards. Tis not the same things as "yeah, well is Indiana homogeneous".

Does that make more sense? You're asking me to answer a question on specifics with a question about generalities. Thats not possible and it borders on a fallacy.


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dogma wrote:

agroszkiewicz wrote:
Compare voter demographics and census information on cultural/immigrant populations in the larger metropolitan area's of the US compared to the more rural small town areas. I'm not trying to say that a city like Houston is demographically homogeneous, simply that the overall culture is that way in comparison to the western and eastern seaboards. This is pretty easy to grasp since those are also the two gateway's for immigrants coming here....well and the Mexico border I suppose but undocumented immigrants are a whole nother issue.

What voter demographics? Party registration? Ethnicity? Religion?

If that's what you limit your understanding of cultural diversity to its no wonder that you see so much homogeneity.

Ethnicity, country of origin, and length of time spent stateside.

Monster Rain wrote:I thought everyone knew about the Hmong after Grand Torino.

Haven't seen it....Guess I should.