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fluffywyvern wrote:My friends and I were thinking about what GW might do for the next edition of 40k. One of the things we discussed is that in the 5th edition Rulebook fluff, it mentions that the Adeptus on Terra are no longer able to fix the throne that keeps the Emperor alive. If this was followed through to it's logical conclusion I think that this will happen:

1) The Emperor will die in 6th edition plunging mankind into disarray

2) Chaos will take the opportunity to make a massive offensive on Terra. GW will therefore make the 6th edition boxset Marines versus Chaos. Probably some massive gaming event to go with it also.

3) To balance things out, the Emperor may use his power before he dies to bring back some Primarchs who have been lost/fallen.

4) The first codex after this would probably be Chaos.

No, I need the great bastard to live so that the army of nuns with gunz has something to worship.

Its not going to happen. Not even going to entertain the idea, him on the cusp of death was just to add tension for 5th. Theres as much chance he'll step off the throne and go Kratos against the Chaos Gods in the Eye of Terror and destroy them for all eternity.

Totalwar1402 wrote:
No, I need the great bastard to live so that the army of nuns with gunz has something to worship.

Hm, that's a problem.

They could worship me

As these things are, having a definite climax of a showdown does too much to end the story. The story must be kept open forever or there'll be less opportunity.

Omegus wrote:Emperor dead = no more Astronomicon = no more Imperium = this ain't ever gonna happen

Let me help you with that:

Emperor Dead = little to nothing to do with astronomicon in fluff anymore = Imperium doesn't only use Astronomicon as it's only means of warp travel anymore (there are dozens of ways to warp travel in fluff used by IoM, the navigator/astronomicon one is simply the most common, for two reasons: it's the safest way to travel long distances, and the navigator houses have been making a point to kill anyone caught using another method, particularly technological ones from the DAoT such as a Void Abacus, for example) = they've already laid the groundwork for this.

If the emperor were to die i think it would be in the last 40,000 edition ever due to his influence in the game

Langston128 wrote: If the emperor were to die i think it would be in the last 40,000 edition ever due to his influence in the game

Huh? He's been a mcguffin, you mean. The Emperor hasn't influenced how the Imperium works since the HH. He could be dead as a doornail as far as anyone knows.

If the Astronomicon were to go out, the Tyranids would no longer be as drawn to this galaxy as they were. I mean, they'd still be attacking this galaxy in hopes of consuming it all, but that part of the fluff would be gone.

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AlmightyWalrus wrote:The Emperor dying in 6th edition is about as likely as the Ultramarines getting wiped out by a surprise Squat attack utilizing Unobtainium Missiles to shatter the entire Ultramar System...

Oh please let this happen. I'd pay good money for that.

Me too so we wouldn't have to listen to people try so hard to be cool for not liking them endlessly...

I doubt it, although that'd be pretty cool.

Will GW kill the Emperor?

Short answer:
No.

Long answer:

Im with the people mentioning the star child. In the GK codex it mentions something called the Terminus Decree, and references the Golden Throne.

I'd imagine that the Terminus Decree shuts down the golden throne, kills the emperor, and therefore rebirths his psychic presence in a new psyker. If you do some research into the dawnings of 40k, you'll find that the emperor is not technically one man, but the minds of many binded into a single consciousness, born into a single entity. If anything, killing the emperor would make things a lot better for the Imperium.

But, once again the little excerpt about the Terminus Decree states "It could save the Imperium in its darkest hour, or bring it to its knees"

The Emperor will never die.

The EoM can never die. He is a true immortal and as such will be reborn with all of his memories and abilities.

Once reborn he can continue to run the astrinomican and keep the chaos hoards at bay. The only reason that he is still on the throne is because the IoM is too frightened to pull the plug and allow the Star Child to Reign.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:It's pretty unlikely, but eh. You never know.
Perhaps we'll get another global campaign to decide a chunk of new fluff instead. That'd be pretty neat.

That would be really cool, but if 6th edition is as close as some have said it would be a little late for that kind of thing. Something like that would take a good while to accomplish. My buddy Dean and a few of us worked to set up the regional championships for Star Wars Miniatures for a couple of years and that was a lot of work and we were only looking at 2 Dozen games stores across the US and that took us 6 months to set up and make happen. 40k is soo much bigger than SWM ever was. You have to coordinate with who knows how many vendors and game stores and hobby groups that play out of a basement or a garage, and then get reports in from all of them, correlate all that data, write a fancy narrative to go with all the reports (thankfully BL has a bunch of staff writers on hand for this part), and then drop it into the codex/rulebook.

It's likely something like that would be found inside WD and then that would contain all the info to set up the event locally and report and register and all that good stuff so the GW really wouldn't be doing any of the foot work just collecting data at the end.

However I do think that would be a fun idea. I know Mechwarrior the Dark Age had a system set up to do just that for all of it's Friday night FLGS events and such.


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Brother Coa wrote:Emperor is not going to die you guys...
He is going to resurrect and kick Chaos a** big time.
Primarchs will return to lead their Legions, and all will be fine at last.

What about the legions where the Primarch has been a confirmed kill at this point?

Personally, I really don't see how it matters (other than Terra becoming a daemon world, that is.) If you dig a bit, you find that, other than as a symbol, the Emperor and Terra has very little value or impact on the Imperium at large. If not for the astronomicon, Terra could be already gone and the Emperor dead, and the vast majority of the Imperium would never notice.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:The Emperor dying in 6th edition is about as likely as the Ultramarines getting wiped out by a surprise Squat attack utilizing Unobtainium Missiles to shatter the entire Ultramar System...

He will be resurrected as Matt Ward leading a ultramarine charge and kill off everything that is not a ultramarine. Also I know for a fact nothing will happen. Reason? If the big E comes back GW will have to recont fluff, make more models, kill a few armys, and make more models.
Oh and they would most likley make a Emprah model at like 50 bucks and make him be able to kill entire armys.
Besides that means Macha would end up with the big E and we cant have that now can we?
Also Nurgle likes him for letting his body being taken over with decay.

Maybe when sixth edition comes this terrible thread will die...

He should die


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By that i mean the god emperor

Eldrad wrote:He should die


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By that i mean the god emperor

When the last xeno has left this Galaxy, he may.
Failing that, all will die...

would it really change the universe that much if he died?

orkoidSTD wrote:would it really change the universe that much if he died?

Yes, actually. The Astronominomnomnomicon would go out, which would then make ship travel through the warp impossible (the navigating part, at least. You can still do it, but there'd be no way to tell where you're coming out). And isn't there that Webway portal - the one Magnus busted through and released a good amount of daemons - that the Emperor is keeping closed? He dies, and Terra's going to be overrun.

And since the Focux of 40k is humanity, you basically have the entire IoM coming apart, where the only viable form of collective community is at the star system level.

Fenris would be fine I say screw terra.

BaronIveagh wrote:Personally, I really don't see how it matters (other than Terra becoming a daemon world, that is.) If you dig a bit, you find that, other than as a symbol, the Emperor and Terra has very little value or impact on the Imperium at large. If not for the astronomicon, Terra could be already gone and the Emperor dead, and the vast majority of the Imperium would never notice.

Apart from chaos spilling into the entire galaxy and all that, but who cares right?

Nothing changes if the emperor dies. All the marine players wont just go out and sell their armies because some guy in a book who they never met just died.

People will still play marines because they can paint them what colour they like and get a T4 3+ SV to start...

Why would anyone give that up because a body tied to a chair died?

I say 6E is in desperate need of a new Chaos uprising, Ork Waagh on a system and a hive fleet to head for Terra... Its abou tthe only way to make it interesting.... If the fluff dosent change I think people will tire of the same old same old and go play something else.....

infinite_array wrote:

orkoidSTD wrote:would it really change the universe that much if he died?

Yes, actually. The Astronominomnomnomicon would go out, which would then make ship travel through the warp impossible (the navigating part, at least. You can still do it, but there'd be no way to tell where you're coming out). And isn't there that Webway portal - the one Magnus busted through and released a good amount of daemons - that the Emperor is keeping closed? He dies, and Terra's going to be overrun.

And since the Focux of 40k is humanity, you basically have the entire IoM coming apart, where the only viable form of collective community is at the star system level.

AGAIN! Humanity does not 'need' the Astronomicon, they have other ways of making navigated warp jumps, it's just that the Navigator houses make a point to squash you if you have one, due to it being a threat to their power.

Astronomnomicon is nice, but apparently not essential. A number of recent novels have had navigators lead ships away from the light of the Astronomicon. It's a useful beacon, but an experienced/talented navigator doesn't really need it. It's more to make the journey safer, rather than making the journey possible.

And anyway, the Astronomicon is generated by the Astropath Choir, since they already have it in place by the time the Heresy strikes (i.e. before the Emperor's enterment).

The Webway rift is another matter.

Soladrin wrote:
Apart from chaos spilling into the entire galaxy and all that, but who cares right?

Let me ask you this: If the entire eldar empire imploding into the Eye of Terror didn't do that, why would Terra, as a single planet, do that?

Toast36 wrote:Fenris would be fine I say screw terra.

Your ALLfather may be dissappoint.

Milisim wrote:Nothing changes if the emperor dies. All the marine players wont just go out and sell their armies because some guy in a book who they never met just died.

People will still play marines because they can paint them what colour they like and get a T4 3+ SV to start...

Why would anyone give that up because a body tied to a chair died?

I say 6E is in desperate need of a new Chaos uprising, Ork Waagh on a system and a hive fleet to head for Terra... Its abou tthe only way to make it interesting.... If the fluff dosent change I think people will tire of the same old same old and go play something else.....

Get over your obsession with marine players.
The blow to the IoM wouldn't take just marines out, it'll delete the whole and 1 species with it.
I'd suggest 3rd ed "the full circle" to be found in a nice tome you are meant to buy with an edition of 40k...

BaronIveagh wrote:

Soladrin wrote:
Apart from chaos spilling into the entire galaxy and all that, but who cares right?

Let me ask you this: If the entire eldar empire imploding into the Eye of Terror didn't do that, why would Terra, as a single planet, do that?

The space elfs were reduced to nomads and we don't even know if it started on 1 planet.
Who guarantees there is no chain reaction?

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BaronIveagh wrote:Personally, I really don't see how it matters (other than Terra becoming a daemon world, that is.) If you dig a bit, you find that, other than as a symbol, the Emperor and Terra has very little value or impact on the Imperium at large. If not for the astronomicon, Terra could be already gone and the Emperor dead, and the vast majority of the Imperium would never notice.

Apart from chaos spilling into the entire galaxy and all that, but who cares right?

All that would happen if the Emperor died would be that the Astronomicon would be a little dimmer, and Terra would be overrun with daemons if they didn't get someone onto the throne quickly, and they're already sacrificing thousands to the Emperor daily, so that wouldn't really change much apart from how they die. Well... the Imperium would probably fracture into civil war actually, but that'd just give a good reason for the Space Marines to fight each other.

Actually, I think a whole new era of fluff could be made if humans are forced to evac Terra. I mean, think about it: humans would become refugees, SM chapters would gain more power, and if the Emperor is killed for reallys then the Star Child could come in and unit the now extremely fractured IoM. Over an edition or two, of course.