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What more can they "tweak" without pushing the story further?

99999999999999.M41 And one more screw falls out of the Golden Throne and the Adeptus Mechanicus says they really really really really don't know how to fix it now its definately going to stop working really soon like you have no idea its right on the brink of just falling apart completely.

Well theyve had 10000 years to get plasma where it doesn't cook the user, thus far they've failed.

If the Emprah dies the GK's are going to need a pay raise. Because their hands are going to be even fuller than normal

Wardragoon wrote:Well theyve had 10000 years to get plasma where it doesn't cook the user, thus far they've failed.

well they don't make new techs... they just preserve the ones they already have. It's normal then that plasmas have not been improved from the Great Crusade.

For what regards the storyline, that would be...awesome. But it's too radical. People would yell like mad that the Emperor died and the fluff in it would NEVER... EVER be right for everyone. There would be complaints rather than "Hey that's cool we have new things to play with the background of our armies! Dammit the Emperor's dead... what should we do now ?"

I'm just thinking about possible campaigns too... that would be. COOL.

ringthorn1 wrote:Wait? Who is the starchild everybody is talking about. can i find him in the rulebook

Starchild, Paul Stanely from Kiss. He'll become the new emprah and rock his way through the galaxy with Gene the God of Thunder.

misfit wrote:

ringthorn1 wrote:Wait? Who is the starchild everybody is talking about. can i find him in the rulebook

Starchild, Paul Stanely from Kiss. He'll become the new emprah and rock his way through the galaxy with Gene the God of Thunder.

So is the Emperor Ozzy........

Wardragoon wrote:

misfit wrote:

ringthorn1 wrote:Wait? Who is the starchild everybody is talking about. can i find him in the rulebook

Starchild, Paul Stanely from Kiss. He'll become the new emprah and rock his way through the galaxy with Gene the God of Thunder.

So is the Emperor Ozzy........

I prefer to think of the emprah as Glen Danzig. He's very grimdark.

GW should do what White Wolf did to the old World of Darkness setting. They ended the universe over a series of campaigns and gave you multiple options as to how everything ended. After that they rereleased the franchise with a clean slate to move forward.

I apologize if anyones posted this already but http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page
That my friend, better happen or else GW are stupid

Hey guys, let's get back to what this thread was created for. Is the emperor going to die, not what will happen if he does. What would make gw do it, ( ex. Sell more xenos models and push away from marines.) or make them hesitant towards doing it( they wouldn't have such an easy time selling IoM models)

=I= White-Wolf wrote:I apologize if anyones posted this already but http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page
That my friend, better happen or else GW are stupid

I have 3 words for you FLYING LAND RAIDERS, I rest my case

Can't see any reason for GW to advance the story more than they have - its a risky thing to do and for the Compnay I can't see any major gain?

depending on how much you consider BL fluff to be "canon" then several books are written in the next millenium looking back on theevents of the lat 41st millenium and commenting on events like "the later wars against the Tryanids".

so like everything else its highly unlikely (till it happens)

I'm honestly not a fan of this decision and I can see why GW wouldn't to do this. If you think about it, it could be really cool for veterans of warhammer 40k. But for new comers it wouldn't be nearly as intersting as the current situation. I think the emperors situation is cool and unique and just killing him off would be kinda... lame.

sorry to dig up a thread thats been dormant longer than the necrons but with 6th ed just around the corner this is something that needs to be considered again.

makes me sad how much lore is not being taken into consideration here.
has anyone considered what part arik taranis would play?
has anyone considered what would happen to the golden throne?
for those of you who dont know him, arik terranis was the commander of the thunder warriors. they were supposedly killed to the last man at the end of the war of unification but they were actually killed by the emperor due to the threat they posed. arik and a handfull escaped. arik took the gene seed genetic coding from some traitor marines and made himself a fully fledged space marine during the horus heresy. current whereabouts are unknown.

again, for those of you who dont know its true purpose, the golden throne IS NOT a life support machine. when the emperor used a huge psychic attack to obliterate horus's very soul (which is why he cannot be ressurected by chaos) the emperors crippled body was found by dorn. the emperor asked him to jury rig the golden throne into a makeshift life support. the golden throne is actually the biggest webway gate ever made, allowing a warhound class scout titan to walk through upright. due to the imperium being unable to create wraithbone, the webway had to be pretty much rebuilt, also due to it having fallen apart during the battles between the necrons and the old ones, but thats another story. the emperor had to use his psychic power to protect the workers inside the webway from chaos, hence why he left the great crusade. if they had suceeded then entire legions would have been able to go anywhere they want instantly, considerably faster and safer then warp travel.

so, back on topic. will the emperor die and if so, what are the consequences?

firstly, how he would die. most of you seem to know that the golden throne is failing. due to its state of repair and due to it not being designed to sustain a god.
the first question is. does he even need sustaining?

the emperor through worship has become a being of true god-like power in the warp. he can protect those who worship him, he supposedly created the warp storm known as the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath that appeared in the Ultima Segmentum during the Age of Apostasy to attack the tyrant High Lord Goge Vandire. it is also rumoured that the extent of his power at the golden throne is so great that he can speed or slow the passage of time within the imperial palace. surely if his mortal form was to die then the emperor would have so much power that he could become a god that no longer requires an anchor. basically, the star child theory. something to consider however is that the c'tan are also star children, and there power is unrivalled by anything in the matterium. so perhaps if the emperor did die he would become a spirit form in a simmilar way to the c'tan. the mechanicum could then create a shell for him to exist in, perhaps a modified form of his old power armour?

the second theory is his rebirth. i assume (and hope) that you are aware of the neolithic shaman, humanities first psychers that gave there lives to become one form due to there there souls being consumed by the chaos gods, preventing there reincarnation. after growing up the emperor adopted the guise of several famous figures of legends, helping people and trying to promote peace and harmony to limit the growth in power of the chaos gods. during this time, he fathered many children, who inhereted his genome and became immortal psychic nulls. these demigods are sought by the illuminati. if they gave there lives along with the emporer then it would supposedly have the same affect that the shaman had, causing the emperor to be reborn. he would eventually regain all his memories including those of the neolithic shaman, much as he did during the 8th millenium. yes, the emperor is considerably old.

now, the effects of if the emperor died and did not return, which has been discussed alot in this topic.

the most debated thing is the astronomican. THIS IS NOT POWERED BY THE EMPEROR ALONE. It is simply a microphone for his mind, projecting it across not just the galaxy, but a large part of the universe. the psychic power of the emporer backed up a a choir of thousands of psychers is a considerable thing. this is what kills roughly a thousand psychers every day. the psychers unwilling to give there lives are instead, forcibly fed to the emperor, who consumes there psychic power. this means that the imperium could simply find the most powerfull psycher in the imperium to take the emperors place upon the golden throne, he could not reach as far but this would most defiantly be a good thing. the astronomican is what is drawing the tyranids to the milky way. its not just a beacon in the warp for humanity... if its range was limited to our galaxy alone then other hive fleets would most likely be unable to locate our galaxy, getting lost in the space between. as you can probably more than imagine, the ultramarines would like this very much, but then again who cares what they think?
something else to be considered is that if the golden throne became empty then it could be restored back to its original function by reversing the plans that the emperor gave rogal dorn and the throne could once again be used as a webway gate causing travel and communication throughout the imperium to become instant. the benefit of this would be unimaginable. the stagnation effect would be cancelled out, granting the golden age the emperor desired so greatly. and before you ask, yes a human can take the emperors place powering the golden throne. Malcador the Sigillite did it to keep the webway protected while the emperor battled horus.

another thing to be debated is who would take the emperors place as leader of mankind? everyone knows what a awfull job the imperium has done of it so far, but what if the most legendary warrior the imperium has was and one of its greatest strategic leaders was to step forward? thats right, arik taranis. almost everyone in the imperium knows of the greatest of the thunder warriors, champion of the unification wars. suposedly dead, surely a great champion such as arek supposedly "returning from the dead" in the imperiums time of need would be as good a sign as any that he was to be the next emporer.


something important to remember that the emperor is just at the end of the day, a superhuman and that is seems like everything he does can be done by someone else and that if he were to kick the bucket that his death would be almost, dare i say it? beneficial.

hhmm, there was something else that i wanted to talk about but ive forgotten over the course of wirtting this wall of text, if theres anything ive missed out or gotten wrong then please say


sources: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind
a great read if your bored, lots to learn in there, has got everything you need to know

Meh. The Emperor is too powerful to ever truly "die". By the time of his mortal "death" he was some 30,000 + years old, correct?

A being who is immortal like that just doesn't simply die.

If there's one thing a struggling company likes doing, it's taking risks. So yeah definitely.

Apparently, the climax of the HH novels is supposed to reveal a shocking truth about something.

Perhaps it is going to coincide with a 6th Edition plot move?

Mustela wrote: I don't see why people can't move pass the embarassing chapter of 40K history known as the Squats.

The Squats were cooler than the Tau and the Space Rapists.


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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:@cadbren: Guillimen is dead, it isn't like he was about to die when they put him in stasis and they where just waiting to find a way to heal him. It would be sticking a I.V in a corpse that's just perfectly preserved.

He's a Primarch. They can do pretty magical things. Hence the near twenty year old (real world wise) story of his wounds slowly healing. I mean, the likelihood of him suddenly recovering is about the same of the Emperor dying or waking up, but where Primarchs are concerned, it's a fairly safe bet that anything is possible. Especially given that his body is intact and preserved.

I don't think Guilliman is dead. Maybe The Emperor, if he ever returns, would be able to heal him? Would make sense that the Primarch's return would rely on the Emperor also returning. Cruel fate.

When do the HH novels end and how many will there be?

Ashryu wrote:99999999999999.M41 And one more screw falls out of the Golden Throne and the Adeptus Mechanicus says they really really really really don't know how to fix it now its definately going to stop working really soon like you have no idea its right on the brink of just falling apart completely.

That's totally next edition.

The IoM needs to man up and quit being xenophobic, technology-stagnant mooks otherwise they will fall apart. Wait...

Seriously, though, anything that moves the plot forward is a huge risk for GW. Some plot advancements more than others, but still, GW hasn't advanced the plot for a reason. I personally would love to see the galaxy shaken up a bit.

McNinja wrote:The IoM needs to man up and quit being xenophobic

Being xenophobic is about as manly as you get. The strive for the dominance of your own species over others. Perfectly natural. Sensible too in 40K, considering how few non-hostile xenos there seem to be in 40K.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:The Emperor dying in 6th edition is about as likely as the Ultramarines getting wiped out by a surprise Squat attack utilizing Unobtainium Missiles to shatter the entire Ultramar System...

Still do not understand why people hate the UM.

Simply most of the Ultra marine hate comes from the over saturation of them in the GW media, and they had a pretty hooah treatment in the Space Marines codex, exclaiming how great they are ( not that every codex does not do that )

I myself dont care one way or the other about the Ultras, I guess somebody has to set the example so the weirdo chapters can seem more weird

But they are the boys in blue, who are tried and true, and turn their enemies to goo.

People generally dislike things they are told are to be liked and admired, at least some people.

Ok lets say due to whayever fluff reasons the Emperor dies, would anyone else think it would be cool if the Ultramarines kinda did a major lockdown with a struggle against other chapters about the running of the Imperium. Since granted I am sure there are plenty of Imperial Officers, High Lords, etc, who would love to be the next rulers of the galaxy. I imagine that the Ultramarines or some other big chapter that had major gripes with the way they expect the Ultramarines to run things would coutner against them and court Officers, High Lords, etc. I think it would be cool to see the struggle. This way the Space Marine chapters can still be themselves without going into Chaos nuttiness and the Imperial Guard again would keep everything just certain regiments might have picked a side or whatnot. I am not an Ultramarine fanboy, but I personally believe based upon their Romanistic style and the history from the Horus Heresy it would not be below them to take compete control of the Imperium. Creating a divide in the Imperium without being Chaos. I realized this happened in the Horus Heresy a bit but I think it would be cool if they did this. Struggle always makes everything grimdarl.

1hadhq wrote:

fluffywyvern wrote:My friends and I were thinking about what GW might do for the next edition of 40k. One of the things we discussed is that in the 5th edition Rulebook fluff, it mentions that the Adeptus on Terra are no longer able to fix the throne that keeps the Emperor alive. If this was followed through to it's logical conclusion I think that this will happen:

1) The Emperor will die in 6th edition plunging mankind into disarray

2) Chaos will take the opportunity to make a massive offensive on Terra. GW will therefore make the 6th edition boxset Marines versus Chaos. Probably some massive gaming event to go with it also.

3) To balance things out, the Emperor may use his power before he dies to bring back some Primarchs who have been lost/fallen.

4) The first codex after this would probably be Chaos.

1) => all Gates broken.
2) => most human worlds overrun with demons
3) => exile Mankind, leave this Galaxy and start anew, lead by the Primarchs.
4) => yes, multiple chaos codices.
5) => smaller species extinct, Eldar leave too, Tau squatted because Nids/orks/chaos/necrons are still there, IoM discontinued.
6) => orks, evil elfs, bugs and robots isn't so interesting. GW finally collapsed.
7) => new company just wants to loot the carcass of 40k : reboot game as WH 30k. New kits? NO, new repacked old kits...

or

1) => Emperor just lost his anchor in the material realm
2) => chaos offensive.
3) => campaign to contact the "lost" Emperor.
4) => C'tan takes over Mars and most of the IoM.
5) => rise of the C'Tan levels the threats again, chaos shut off because the "great plan" is in place and running.
6) => last stand of smaller species and newbies like Tau. Eldar leave.
7) => Necrons destroy every single Hive fleet. Infected planets are moved into the next black hole.
8) => Necron use a fungizid to remove orks.
9) => finally the campaign has success and contact with the Emperor is re-established.
10) => obviously the glourious leader of Mankind didn't twiddle his thumbs where he made unwillingly "holidays", a virus is spread through Necron systems.
11) => Necrons can't stop dancing, the few C'Tan cannot withstand the wrath of the enslaved.
12) => Galaxy is a burning wreck. Eldar ask if its over, so they could return. Emperor orders them to be chained to the still dancing necrons for all eternity.

Its kind of funny. If chaos prevails, destroying the imperium, 40k in itself is over. If Humanity beats the offensive and the emperor is reborn the story can continue thus 40k continues. Hmm. And I'm fighting for slaanesh but at the same time I don't want the imperium to be destoryed, then i wouldn't have anyone to fight. hmmm

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Simply most of the Ultra marine hate comes from the over saturation of them in the GW media, and they had a pretty hooah treatment in the Space Marines codex, exclaiming how great they are ( not that every codex does not do that )

I myself dont care one way or the other about the Ultras, I guess somebody has to set the example so the weirdo chapters can seem more weird

But they are the boys in blue, who are tried and true, and turn their enemies to goo.

People generally dislike things they are told are to be liked and admired, at least some people.

The Ultramarines are awesome. I like them. Even if GW is forcing them down our throats.

Codex: Space Marines should be called Codex: Ultramarines though for sure. lol

Would make things interesting but definitleya bold move

Anyone ever think that maybe it's the throne thats keeping him from becoming fully aware. If he did the high lords would lose most of the power base. Good reason to keep him asleep. Maybe the pykers that it drains are ment to keep him down.