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cool! the cockpit is stunning....

by the way... did you actually start painting the clipboard maiden???^^


vik

Viktor von Domm wrote:cool! the cockpit is stunning....

by the way... did you actually start painting the clipboard maiden???^^


vik

Yeah i did. It's not a pretty sight up close. I want to set fire to the result... And stamp on the ashes. And then bury the ashes at sea.
It works for long distance shots. It has taught me i was correct to realise i cannot paint figures...
Oh, what i would give for a set of these figures to get painted up by someone who knows what they are doing..
And thanks, by the way. I am proud of thw work i have done on this entire thing. The only project of mine that will outshine this one is my next project.

which is in fact the hanger....am i right.... (note to self...must stop drooling^^)

and don´t be to harsh to yourself, from my point of view it was quite nice to behold...

holy wow.

Capitansolstice wrote:holy wow.

Thanks! Glad you like it.

Viktor von Domm wrote:which is in fact the hanger....am i right.... (note to self...must stop drooling^^)

and don´t be to harsh to yourself, from my point of view it was quite nice to behold...

It's not pretty. I don't have the steady hand for painting small things unfortunately...
As for the next project... although the hangar will be getting done, my actual next project will be a 1/20 scale Rhino stealth fighter.
Here are the plans. It will be 95cm long(I made a one-half template, it is shown below next to a mirror for the full effect):

*gulp* that is huge...

er...
were is that design from?

is it a real fighter or some fictious concept?

Viktor von Domm wrote:*gulp* that is huge...

er...
were is that design from?

is it a real fighter or some fictious concept?

It's a fictitious craft, made as a 1/144 scale injection kit from the Japanese low-volume manufacturer Aozora Model company: http://www.hlj.com/product/AOZ144-001
But i want a bigger one. It will be more than twice the length of the Arvus.
I am also considering making a single-stage-to-orbit booster for the plane so it could be a space fighter.
Kind of like the system on the HALO Sabre class orbital fighter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzLkcGWq-_4&feature=related

woah

hmmmm this idea of a

single-stage-to-orbit booster for the plane so it could be a space fighter

sounds really interresting and would fit that strange silhouette of that model quite good!

the size of that thing is quite good portrayed by that mirror pic of yours.... this will be huge indeed!... how do you achive that rounded outlook of that fighter? compared to the arvus this will be a totally different building process it seems...sandwiched layers maybe and then later on covering the edges with filler?

Capitansolstice wrote:woah

Lol! Thanks! I love these one word posts. It occurs to me that you can take a look at this picture and assume the Arvus build was hard. But if you look at the full build you will see it was quite simple, layer upon layer, for a polished end result.

Viktor von Domm wrote:hmmmm this idea of a

single-stage-to-orbit booster for the plane so it could be a space fighter

sounds really interresting and would fit that strange silhouette of that model quite good!

the size of that thing is quite good portrayed by that mirror pic of yours.... this will be huge indeed!... how do you achive that rounded outlook of that fighter? compared to the arvus this will be a totally different building process it seems...sandwiched layers maybe and then later on covering the edges with filler?

Yes. It's a simple technique. I will trace the outline of the jet onto a sheet of MDF. I will screw THAT sheet onto a second sheet of MDF. I will then get the outline cut out with a bandsaw.
That means i have two identical shapes of the outline. One will house the top form, and the other will house the bottom form.
The shape will be built up with frames of MDF to the cross sections and filled with body filler. The final result will be vacformed like my Arrowhead project(See here for the full gallery, and below for a few images):

It occurs to me that you can take a look at this picture and assume the Arvus build was hard. But if you look at the full build you will see it was quite simple, layer upon layer, for a polished end result.

understatement of the day it seems to me^^

ok i get that idea with the mdf... it is sturdy and for a project that size it is a good choice!
even the vacuum process i can uderstand... but what for do you make millions of copies??? will you sell that stuff? very interresting...

Viktor von Domm wrote:

It occurs to me that you can take a look at this picture and assume the Arvus build was hard. But if you look at the full build you will see it was quite simple, layer upon layer, for a polished end result.

understatement of the day it seems to me^^

ok i get that idea with the mdf... it is sturdy and for a project that size it is a good choice!
even the vacuum process i can uderstand... but what for do you make millions of copies??? will you sell that stuff? very interresting...

That particular craft i gave all the copies away to people i know. But with the jet i will likely sell copies.

then i suggest you start a new thread right away.... so that peeps here might be your customers...would be a good way to promote this project! or rename this thread! that at least....i can see that this might have selling potential for sure!

Viktor von Domm wrote:then i suggest you start a new thread right away.... so that peeps here might be your customers...would be a good way to promote this project! or rename this thread! that at least....i can see that this might have selling potential for sure!

Lol. I got in a bit of trouble before for posting Non-WarHammer craft on a Warhammer forum, so i will likely not be posting it here.
And about the understatement line you mentioned above...
Okay, it wasn't SIMPLE, but it was a simple set of techniques that delivered the end result.
If you go from one pic to the next, you can see the ship evolving and taking shape. And if you look carefully, you can see what i did to make the craft.
Like a set of instructions from a lego set. I would say that ANYONE here, could take my images and use them as information to build their own Arvus(In WH40K scale of course), and it would be that much simpler.
It all just starts off as plastic boxes cut to size.





As with anything, scratchbuilding an existing design is ALL about looking at the design and breaking it down so it's easy to replicate. Trying to find a place to start the build and go from there.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

and

any technology distinguishable from magic ís insuffiecently advanced...

so...

but i understand where you are coming from! the lego refference is quite fitting and credits your work all the more as you indeed made a path that someone could follow to a nearly the same endresult...if all ingredients were there^^

well this is a tabletop forum and not a warhammer forum, so there is in my opinion room for something like that...i would if in doubt talk to a mod beforehand and then you know for sure...

Viktor von Domm wrote:

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

and

any technology distinguishable from magic ís insuffiecently advanced...

Are you saying my build is like magic??? Lol.
If so, thanks.

Viktor von Domm wrote:but i understand where you are coming from! the lego refference is quite fitting and credits your work all the more as you indeed made a path that someone could follow to a nearly the same endresult...if all ingredients were there^^

I see where you are coming from with your comment but, honestly, the trick is not to think: "I can't build that", and start thinking: "How CAN i build that?". Even as a theoretical excercise(Work with me on this! If everyone reading this who has ever thought "I can't scratchbuild" could just think about the next step for the next couple of days):
look at a kit that can be bought(Perhaps that you would like but haven't bought yet, or one that is NOT a kit but you'd like it to be) and try and break the shape down into pieces in your head, so you would know where to start with the build.
For me, the Arvus was easier than most, as it was all flat surfaces. But even then, the front end was the most complicated and multifaceted area, which was why i made a master pattern and cast the piece.
Also, in my experience, the best thing is to try and work with what you have to hand. For the Arvus, i didn't have access to my lathe, so i couldn't turn the properly-proportioned intakes and i had to improvise. So i took an intake from a spare Star Wars ARC-170 toy, and used that. Is it accurate to the Forgeworld kit? No. Is it bad because of that? I don't think so. I rationalise it as just being a different version. There are many fighter jets which look far different ten years after the model was introduced, so it's safe to assume "upgrades" can cover many sins. Funnily enough, there is also a 1/72 ARC-170 kit out there(I have about seven copies of that kit), and those engines look PERFECT for a WH40K scale Arvus... I might try a little side project and build me a "normal scale" one...
In any case, if you are thinking along the lines of scratchbuilding, you will see a lot more things which can be useful to you when you are out and about. I collect the little plastic tops from yoghurt and cream cheese containers. Them make excellent mode base moulds(Just pour resin in them!).
I have even made a hoverbike from a shampoo bottle! Everyone has seen those little plastic eggs that come with an "Alien Embryo" in them? I used one of those to make an "Orbital escape pod"(The "wings" are for drag in the atmosphere, but they'd be closed for the re-entry burn).
You want to replicate a model kit that costs £55? Eyeball the shape and built it up with ribs then add filler. The rib technique works well with organic shapes. I scratchbuilt a Battlestar Viper that way. Here is a link to the gallery.
It's never about what you can't do. Only about what you THINK you can do. The more you try, the easier it will become to see how to make any shape. That's how i realised it. Now there is nothing i can't look at and visualise how to replicate it. I might do it a DIFFERENT way from the original creator, but it's good to think in a different way.

Viktor von Domm wrote:well this is a tabletop forum and not a warhammer forum, so there is in my opinion room for something like that...i would if in doubt talk to a mod beforehand and then you know for sure...

Sure thing. Once i get started i will ask someone in charge.

mate... you are right...in every sense of your latest statement...

and

you have so much confidence...this is something very rare in the trait of modeling you know that? most guys here show their stuff because they are unsure of their abilities and crave security about their builds.... you are i think not such a case...how this is acomplished i am truly baffled...but i think this is rare and i feel priviliged to get the chance to see a free mind at work!

i sometimes congratulate myself for thinking out of the box but often i see that when i am stuck with something it is that i am lacking atm in that department...

from time to time i had quite a huge collection of interresting packaging materials like your shampoobottle and similar objects... but recently i went the cardboard road as i wanted to go into a direction to get a more technological way of achieving certain aims...well...things like your thread here show me things i need to learn to get better and broaden my horizons...or to realize they are already broad enough and i just have to access my full potential...well sometimes the mind hurts form this kind of thinking^^

the ribcage methode i will hold dear... one day a project will benefit from this... i knew of that methode before but i never saw a connection to me and my projects so far.... that changed^^ and yep i in the terms of my earlier statement...see above post...think that your work is advanced enough to be compared with magic... well to tell you the truth you can compare apples with nukleat tech ... only the endresult might be nothing you can work with^^ but your work is even if a step by step anylize says different, an advanced way so the magic referrence does aply^^

may i ask a question before closing this comment? what is your professional backround? do you have anything craftsmanship like trained? sorry if i asked that earlier already and you answered it too already.... my mind is sometimes a bit like a sponge... it tries to suck up all info but it is so soggy and perforated^^

cheers for getting my head washed by you...


vik

Viktor von Domm wrote: mate... you are right...in every sense of your latest statement...

Thanks!

Viktor von Domm wrote:you have so much confidence...this is something very rare in the trait of modeling you know that? most guys here show their stuff because they are unsure of their abilities and crave security about their builds.... you are i think not such a case...how this is acomplished i am truly baffled...but i think this is rare and i feel priviliged to get the chance to see a free mind at work!

I have built, and seen built, some amazing things, and have seen some spectacular scratchbuilds made by people with their bare hands. Ask yourself this: "If they can make it, why can't i?"
If it's a skill issue, that's fair enough. We aren't BORN with the skills we need. We pick them up as we go along. If it's a tools related issue(I don't have "Insert tool here", which i need for the job), you can still borrow the tool or find someone with one who could do that piece for you. The trick is allowing your mind to realise that you CAN make that hard to build item.
I will reveal here and now that my Arvus has cost less in materials than the Forgeworld kit. Of course, nearly four months of work isn't cheap. But it's a labour of love so it can't have a value put upon it anyway.

Viktor von Domm wrote:i sometimes congratulate myself for thinking out of the box but often i see that when i am stuck with something it is that i am lacking atm in that department...

Yeah. Lateral thinking helps. But if you are stuck with a detail, ask a friend. Even if they don't give you the right answer, sometimes just asking the question makes YOU realise the answer.
I have sometimes found that brainstorming with friends is a good technique of speaking your problem out loud. I do this with myself. It may seem crazy, but if you speak your problem out loud, and try to formulate a solution, you might think of one you never considered before. With practise, your lateral thinking gets better.

Viktor von Domm wrote:from time to time i had quite a huge collection of interresting packaging materials like your shampoo bottle and similar objects... but recently i went the cardboard road as i wanted to go into a direction to get a more technological way of achieving certain aims...well...things like your thread here show me things i need to learn to get better and broaden my horizons...or to realize they are already broad enough and i just have to access my full potential...well sometimes the mind hurts form this kind of thinking^^

Lol. I know what you mean. Sometimes your head CAN get full of things. It's best to take a step back and clear your mind. Maybe even a nap. It can even help to write your problem down and leave a note bside your bed before going to sleep. I once read a directed dreaming technique to calm your mind and fall asleep within five minutes that can really put your mind at ease:
Put in a pair of earplugs(There is a reason for this step). The earplugs dampen the sounds of the house(Which is perfect if you have kids running around, or TVs on making noise), but still allow you to feel your own heartbeat from your ear canals(This is an essential part). Lie down and once you are calm enough to hear your heart beating in your ears(Courtesy of the earplugs pressing tight to the walls of your ear), start counting your heartbeat(Heart range for rest should be between 55 to 75 beats i'd say). Use a bedside clock to check when it trips over to the next minute, and start counting beats with your eyes closed. Around about the 50-beat mark, open your eyes and check the clock. Wait till it rounds to the next minute and make a note of what your baseline beat count is(My resting rate is around 60, and with this technique it usually slows by around one beat every minute). Now you are set up. While counting your heartbeats in your head, picture yourself floating about 200 feet below the surface of the sea(It's warm and pleasant. You won't drown. It's just directed imagination). Think about the problem you need to solve in a general way. The sea is tinged your favorite colour(For me it's a clear red, but everyone has a different favorite colour). There is a light above the surface of the water as you look up. You are gently ebbing with the flow of the water. You are "standing up" arms at your sides, but not tight to your sides(Like the position you will be in lying on your back in bed). Still counting(The beats should actually be reducing slightly), you start to rise up through the water(Keep counting your heartbeat). As you break the surface of the water, you take off like superman, rising into the air over a vast ocean. Still counting, you are looking up towards the bright sky. Not too fast, but as you approach the clouds, think of your problems(Still counting heartbeats. Never stop couinting heartbeats and breathing steadily). Your problems are shaped like clouds. As you look up, your problems of the day drift towards you, you recognise them, but don't have time to dwell on them, as they pass below you and you are still rising, looking up. Still counting, you are rising higher towards the light, and leaving your problems far below. If some other problem "cloud" occurs, it will pass quickly by leaving you again with only the counting. After less than five minutes of this you will be in a shallow sleep. I find that once i get to less than 55 beats per minute, my mid starts shutting down. The bizarre thing is that sometimes you can dream a solution to your problem, and other times you come up with one after you wake... Either way it's a fast way to fall asleep, as you are always counting your own rythym from your heartbeat.

Viktor von Domm wrote:the ribcage methode i will hold dear... one day a project will benefit from this... i knew of that methode before but i never saw a connection to me and my projects so far.... that changed^^ and yep i in the terms of my earlier statement...see above post...think that your work is advanced enough to be compared with magic... well to tell you the truth you can compare apples with nuklear tech ... only the endresult might be nothing you can work with^^ but your work is even if a step by step anylize says different, an advanced way so the magic referrence does aply^^

If it helps you out, i am glad. Especially if it allows you to think down avenues you never considered before. Never be afraid to ask advice of someone who's opinion your trust or whose skills seem to surpass your own. They might come up with an idea you missed.

Viktor von Domm wrote:may i ask a question before closing this comment? what is your professional backround? do you have anything craftsmanship like trained? sorry if i asked that earlier already and you answered it too already.... my mind is sometimes a bit like a sponge... it tries to suck up all info but it is so soggy and perforated^^

I don't think you asked before. I am a taxi driver.
But i have been building models since i was 5, and scratchbuilding since the same time(I used to design folding paper models when i was in school). It's a lot of fun when you realise you can make anything. Liberating even.

Viktor von Domm wrote:cheers for getting my head washed by you...


vik

No worries my friend. Anytime.
True wisdom begins when you know that you know nothing. Strip away all the rubbish and you will be left with your answer every time. But don't be afraid to make mistakes along the way. That is another important way we learn what NOT to do next time.
Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. But today is a gift. That is why it is called the present.

Bar, more amazement as i see you work.

That is why it is called the present

beautiful play on words there...subtile and yet so meaningful!

i knew that you are a taxi driver but most peeps in that profession had other intentions before starting to drive...
but a livetime expierience in scratchbuilding beginning with papermodels folded is something i had in mind when asking the question^^

i sometimes have that phenomenon of solution- finding during or after sleeping... well the mind is not shutting down at all for real when in sleep...so... there is some processing going on...
the getting to sleep methode i have heard about.... in a way ....and i think this might actually work but currently i am only fining it hard to get to sleep when in serious personal problems.... if no pressing matters are too hard i can go to sleep thankfully quite easy...i hope this lasts!!!

But it's a labour of love

every one with their head screwed on right way i hope can see that!!! and it is all too easy to forget the inights about skills not being there from the beginning but have to be learned instead...and sometimes it is hard to ask someone for assistence or help...but the time here on dakka has teached me a lot and i think the bunch of peeps here are a helpful sort^^ and i try to do so too...depending on the subject and my own proweress^^
and not only do we have to ask for help but when help is offered we have to listen as well...as sometimes we are too closed up to apreciate it...

shasolenzabi wrote:Bar, more amazement as i see you work.

Thanks a lot. I am always hoping that by posting a WIP like this, there might be someone watching that realises they might want to have a crack at something similar.
You can even use heavy card stock and white glue, but you CAN make those craft that exist only in your imagination.

Viktor von Domm wrote:

That is why it is called the present

beautiful play on words there...subtile and yet so meaningful!

The full quote often reads: "The clock is running. Make the most of today. Time waits for no man. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's why it is called the present."
But i like the truncated version better. I use it all the time.

Viktor von Domm wrote:i knew that you are a taxi driver but most peeps in that profession had other intentions before starting to drive...
but a livetime expierience in scratchbuilding beginning with papermodels folded is something i had in mind when asking the question^^

I work for my Father's business. Although i always considered art college and a career making models, with the state of that in the world right now, it's just as well i have something else behind me.

Viktor von Domm wrote:i sometimes have that phenomenon of solution- finding during or after sleeping... well the mind is not shutting down at all for real when in sleep...so... there is some processing going on...
the getting to sleep methode i have heard about.... in a way ....and i think this might actually work but currently i am only fining it hard to get to sleep when in serious personal problems.... if no pressing matters are too hard i can go to sleep thankfully quite easy...i hope this lasts!!!

Of course. The trick is never to try and find sleep. The greatest technique to sleep is to totally empty your mind, think of darkness and sleep will find you itself.

Viktor von Domm wrote:

But it's a labour of love

every one with their head screwed on right way i hope can see that!!! and it is all too easy to forget the inights about skills not being there from the beginning but have to be learned instead...and sometimes it is hard to ask someone for assistence or help...but the time here on dakka has teached me a lot and i think the bunch of peeps here are a helpful sort^^ and i try to do so too...depending on the subject and my own proweress^^
and not only do we have to ask for help but when help is offered we have to listen as well...as sometimes we are too closed up to apreciate it...

Of course. If you need a solution, and cannot find it, ask someone else if they can see the solution.
Maybe they will give it to you. Maybe they will not and you will think of a way yourself, or can ask someone else. Either way, you will be better off than if you never asked anyone.
Never be afraid to ask for directions.

Never be afraid to ask for directions.

lol...that is so not me...saturday i wanted to go first time with my five year old son to the movies...well i was on bicycle and i went so far wrong.... called my wife...she showed me the way via my phone...then i got it... if i had asked someone in the street i could have cut short the finding process by 20 minutes...darn stupid i can get...^^ but if it is something do do with going creative i am fully capable to ask for help or brainstorm with others... in fact that is one of the major aspects why i have joined this board...

Lol. You need to disconnect your ego from the things you do.
Remember that needing directions doesn't make you weak. It only means you currently don't know where you are.

I read your whole thread, but I still think that its shocking that you put so much time and love into one model, thats more love than my entire guard army combined..... they are sitting on a shelf dusty and un painted

Capitansolstice wrote:I read your whole thread, but I still think that its shocking that you put so much time and love into one model, thats more love than my entire guard army combined..... they are sitting on a shelf dusty and un painted

Thanks.
It is a subject i have long loved, and have always intended to replicate larger.
When you love a subject, it always shows in the build.
Of course now the project is in it's final stages and it's winding down.
Contrary to my previous statement, i am doing a 1/72 scale mode kit master next for a White Falcon Interceptor. That will be my next project. I reckon it might take a couple of weeks. It will be about 20cm long in that scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8019cDHJPs

cool, it looks like a futuristic F-22

Capitansolstice wrote:cool, it looks like a futuristic F-22

Yeah. I believe that's what they were going for in the show.
And(In the show), there are only five people in the world that fly them.
I have switched to that design because i may have uncovered a good source of reference for the build.

Bar, you are surprising me again......your works are allways amazing!

Thanks. No updates right now. A friend has the Arvus and is weathering it for me.

Any news about the Arvus or the hangar!?