US Ambassador to Libya murdered... Romney blames Obama...

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**azazel the cat**

Frazzled wrote:NPR can be quite biased. Its lead WH reporter made a major point about not standing up for the Pledge of Allegiance. Seriously?

Ya do know it's a hollow gesture invented in 1942, right? And the guy that created it originally wanted to include a sieg heil salute, too.

**CT GAMER**

whembly wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/index.html

I keep with Fox

just wow...

They gotta be doing something right... it's the top news cable show after all.

I don't watch it that much (rather watch sports), but their format bugs me for some reason (hence, I usually stick with CNN, if I watch news at all).

Pandering to the lowest common denominator?

Brokering in racism, fear mongering and religiousd zealotry is indeed a surefire way to get viewers in this country, which says alot about how much further this country still has to go to be the place it likes to claim it is...

**Frazzled**

azazel the cat wrote:
Frazzled wrote:NPR can be quite biased. Its lead WH reporter made a major point about not standing up for the Pledge of Allegiance. Seriously?

Ya do know it's a hollow gesture invented in 1942, right? And the guy that created it originally wanted to includ ea sieg hail salute, too.

Right, but why go on about it?

**dogma**

Frazzled wrote:

Do you make a big deal about it?

That depends. Other people have called me on it, so they thought it was a big deal. Assuming you're talking about this I suspect that a similar thing is happening now.

I also don't stand for the national anthem (It really is a terrible song.) or take off a hat if I'm wearing one. A guy actually once knocked my hat off at a Cubs game because I didn't take it off.

**whembly**

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Do you make a big deal about it?

That depends. Other people have called me on it, so they thought it was a big deal. Assuming you're talking about this I suspect that a similar thing is happening now.

I also don't stand for the national anthem (It really is a terrible song.) or take off a hat if I'm wearing one. A guy actually once knocked my hat off at a Cubs game because I didn't take it off.

Were you wearing a Cardinal hat?

**Frazzled**

dogma wrote:
I also don't stand for the national anthem (It really is a terrible song.) or take off a hat if I'm wearing one. A guy actually once knocked my hat off at a Cubs game because I didn't take it off.

Of course he did. Chicagoans should only be permitted to watch Da Bears (and occasionally Da Bulls)

**CT GAMER**

dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Do you make a big deal about it?

That depends. Other people have called me on it, so they thought it was a big deal. Assuming you're talking about this I suspect that a similar thing is happening now.

I also don't stand for the national anthem (It really is a terrible song.) or take off a hat if I'm wearing one. A guy actually once knocked my hat off at a Cubs game because I didn't take it off.

I stand but don't recite/put hand over my heart. When we actually achieve the whole "with liberty and justice for all..." bit I'll consider participating.

I hope you punched him in his face...

**Jihadin**

Think it be more then just getting a hat knocked off if he was. People have their values. Respect on certain areas is not the same as the rest. Some view what I do is for God and Country. I do what I do for troops and my buddies by me. God and Country isn't helping me with the now.

**Frazzled**

CT GAMER wrote:
dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Do you make a big deal about it?

That depends. Other people have called me on it, so they thought it was a big deal. Assuming you're talking about this I suspect that a similar thing is happening now.

I also don't stand for the national anthem (It really is a terrible song.) or take off a hat if I'm wearing one. A guy actually once knocked my hat off at a Cubs game because I didn't take it off.

I stand but don't recite/put hand over my heart. When we actually achieve the whole "with liberty and justice for all..." bit I'll consider participating.

I hope you punched him in his face...

I try to sing, but get gang tackled in a vane attempt to stop my voice from wraeking devastation. Inevitably at least a few birds fall from the sky. Occasionally a concrete wall cracks.

**Jihadin**

Careful Frazz...you might get the DNR on you for hunting out of season

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Careful Frazz...you might get the DNR on you for hunting out of season

Actually the birds commit suicide by choking on their own tongues. Its the only way to stop the horror. The wiener dogs are ok with this because Rodney loves to east birds. Like whole.

**CT GAMER**

Frazzled wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

Do you make a big deal about it?

That depends. Other people have called me on it, so they thought it was a big deal. Assuming you're talking about this I suspect that a similar thing is happening now.

I also don't stand for the national anthem (It really is a terrible song.) or take off a hat if I'm wearing one. A guy actually once knocked my hat off at a Cubs game because I didn't take it off.

I stand but don't recite/put hand over my heart. When we actually achieve the whole "with liberty and justice for all..." bit I'll consider participating.

I hope you punched him in his face...

I try to sing, but get gang tackled in a vane attempt to stop my voice from wraeking devastation. Inevitably at least a few birds fall from the sky. Occasionally a concrete wall cracks.

**azazel the cat**

Frazzled wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
Frazzled wrote:NPR can be quite biased. Its lead WH reporter made a major point about not standing up for the Pledge of Allegiance. Seriously?

Ya do know it's a hollow gesture invented in 1942, right? And the guy that created it originally wanted to include a sieg heil salute, too.

Right, but why go on about it?

Because it's a gesture that has been adopted as mandatory (at least on a social level) when it in fact holds no more relevance than would singing the Oscar Meyer song.

**Jihadin**

Whoa now. Back off Oscar Meyer. Thats like everyone childhood fav food.

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Whoa now. Back off Oscar Meyer. Thats like everyone childhood fav food.

I wish I were an Oscar Meyer wiener!

**d-usa**

And just to bring it back on-topic:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/poll-more-approve-of-obamas-response-to-embassy-attack-than-romneys/

**Melissia**

whembly wrote:
They gotta be doing something right...

Why?

I mean, just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. It just means that it sells well. Or that Will Smith is in it.

**whembly**

Melissia wrote:
whembly wrote:
They gotta be doing something right...
Why?

I mean, just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good. It just means that it sells well. Or that Will Smith is in it.

True... anything Will Smith is golden!
I mean come on... who doesn't like the Fresh Prince from Bel-Aire?

**Melissia**

I like it ironically, because I'm a total loser.

**whembly**

d-usa wrote:
And just to bring it back on-topic:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/17/poll-more-approve-of-obamas-response-to-embassy-attack-than-romneys/

Yup...

That makes sense... whenever there's a global conflict, Americans generally rally around the President.

**Melissia**

That, or they think that Romney's being a douche.

**whembly**

Melissia wrote:
I like it ironically, because I'm a total loser.

Huh?

Why you liking Will Smith makes you a loser?

"Gak just got real man !"

**Jihadin**

Burning an American flag proved fatal for a Pakistani protester, who reportedly died from inhaling fumes from the ignited icon of independence.

Some 10,000 people rallied this week in Lahore, the capital of the Punjab province, to protest the movie trailer that Muslims say insults Islam, according to the International Herald-Tribune. One participant, identified as Abdullah Ismail, died after being taken to an area hospital. Witnesses said he had complained of feeling sick from the smoke from American flags burnt at the rally.

The rally was organized on the city's landmark mall by the Tehreek Hurmat-i-Rasool. Despite a ban on rallies on The Mall, local officials blocked off the road leading to it from noon to 6 p.m., apparently to facilitate the event.

The film trailer that has spurred angry protests throughout the Middle East, "Innocence of Muslims," was produced by a California man. The trailer ridicules Islam and depicts the Prophet Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a pedophile.

But protesters asserted it was created with the backing of the U.S. government.

“The U.S. must make a law against blasphemy – or we will not let the US consulates in Pakistan function,” a rally organizer told the paper.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/18/protester-dies-after-inhaling-fumes-from-burning-american-flag/#ixzz26qFCczuo

I chuckled for quite a bit. Actually WTH guy. How big a flag did they burn?

**AustonT**

Jihadin wrote:
Burning an American flag proved fatal for a Pakistani protester, who reportedly died from inhaling fumes from the ignited icon of independence.

I chuckled for quite a bit. Actually WTH guy. How big a flag did they burn?

Justice.
It was probably one of those synthetic fabric ones that smokes a lot. Thats why my flags are all Cotton.

**MrDwhitey**

I didn't realise burning a flag means death.

It's almost as silly as drawing someone meaning death...

**Ahtman**

Good lord that had to be one big flag or one tiny Pakistani.

**azazel the cat**

AustonT wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Burning an American flag proved fatal for a Pakistani protester, who reportedly died from inhaling fumes from the ignited icon of independence.

I chuckled for quite a bit. Actually WTH guy. How big a flag did they burn?

Justice.
It was probably one of those synthetic fabric ones that smokes a lot. Thats why my flags are all Cotton.

...So you can burn it without making a lot of smoke? I don't understand your statement.

**Jihadin**

Fumes from the flag. Breathing in the fumes from the burn is real bad

**d-usa**

I used to participate in an annual flag burning. The cotton ones burned pretty and calm. The giant synthetic ones just burn like a wildfire, melt and stick to your gloves, and smoke like a mother. Especially the giant 12 foot versions.

**AustonT**

azazel the cat wrote:
AustonT wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Burning an American flag proved fatal for a Pakistani protester, who reportedly died from inhaling fumes from the ignited icon of independence.

I chuckled for quite a bit. Actually WTH guy. How big a flag did they burn?

Justice.
It was probably one of those synthetic fabric ones that smokes a lot. Thats why my flags are all Cotton.

...So you can burn it without making a lot of smoke? I don't understand your statement.

Actually: Yes. The sun and frequent gusting winds do a number on flags here and when they look raggedy I need to dispose of them.

US Flag Code. TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > Sec. 8(k). wrote:

The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning