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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

Ill have to say that you deliver a very crisp paint job. You sincerely fixed the greeneyed fella, from what I can detect you upped the game with the shirts and the trousers... But what currently draws my eyes towards your minis here is the work done on the lasguns...I am a real bugger to figure out how to do them good-looking...but you sir achieved that. Nice spot colors, the red and green together with black and beige...a very tasty scheme!

By the way, what bebop said...looking hard at your mini...totally true, that's why I usually brush prime my minis to study them before painting them....

   
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Eastern edge

Oh in desert colors a "white" wash gives a "dusty" look to the cloth or armor.

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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Thank you guys feedback is most welcome.

Had no time for paint tonight. (Bummer)

Thought I would drop this here. It is on my other blog, but it relates to this as well. Have a good look and see what you think. I had a go at toning the face similar to Nerdy's truly amazing piece he did recently. I think it relates to painting and I personally will expand this work to include as many races as I can. Really like the great advice I have already recieved.

Now please cast a very critical eye across this and let me know what you think.








 
   
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The Hammer of Witches





cornwall UK

I used to use a Purple background exactly that colour. I found such a bright coloured background made the colours on the model look slightly different and is very distracting for the veiwer. Put this in front of a more neutral colour and it'll look better already. I love the sword, everything is neat and you can do checkers like a pro. I would have done the wood on the gun a different brown from the leather , a brown with less red in it looks woodier to me - mix a little green into your brown?

I love the grass - It looks just like a field in a dry summer, you should put some tiny flowers in it for ironic effect maybe.

   
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Affton, MO. USA

Everything is looking top notch cam , the green eyes are an infection common to their world when one forgets their eye protection, or it gets lawn off during combat, nothing can be done about it, n the end he'll lose the eyes, but that's only if he lives longer than the average imperial guardsman . I really like your conversions on these guys.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
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Smells like fresh cut progress in here CC!! Judging by those hazard stripes youve got some good brush control! The sword is by far my favorite part of the mini. Why? Because its conveyed well by you the artist. It looks exactly as its meant to. Dirty rusted scratched up dusty wargear. Fantastic. You are definitely on the right track! Now for the bits that id like to see you challenge yourself with:

Take weetys citique to heart. Shes a stylized painter and uses color composition very well to her forte. Think about the composition of your own miniatures. Do you some of those colors compliment each other or are they just there simply because in reality it would be this color. Unfortunately, often times, when we try to recreate something for realism, it does not convey well to the miniature and can ruin a concise composition. "ie, yes perhaps the lens' are red normally on a sniper rifle, but in this case, with the rest of the mini...is red going to add or detract from my over all composition? (Im just using that as an example not to say that in this particular mini red does not belong) Most of my miniatures follow a holy trinity of color. In that ill use three main hues and everything beyond those hues are spot colors that compliment those colors. This of course is just one way to go about color. It allows me freedom to build slightly more ridiculous color schemes and stlil have everything look concise. Weety for example, is a bit more stylized in her approach and tends (at least with her last few projects) stick to a particular palette of colors to convey an feeling or mood. in this case "grimdark"... I know this sounds a bit theoretical but i swear the more you think of these things youll find your painting become much much more enticing.

The next thing that strikes me here is that you are focusing on "cleaning" up your painting. Or painting within the lines i like to say. Its definitely showing! So great progress on that This is absolutely important must be achieved before any true progress can be made. Perhaps continue to practice painting some standard, less detailed models with just base coats as cleanly as smoothly as possible. But moving on, right now, the skin, for example, looks as though youve painted it green and washed it with green ink. Thats fine and definitely suitable for building up a tasty unit of 40 boyz or what have you, but thats not what you want to do here. You are challenging yourself so, 'ere we go, as they say. Id like to see some more highlighting going on there at the very least. More contrast too. starting darker will give you room to build up highlights to what ever saturation you want, be it a vibrant green or a pale green or a yellow green etc etc. The knuckles, the hard edged muscles around the bicep etc etc. Theres alot of detail to be picked out there that as of now is left alone.

So that summarizes a few things that im thinking when i look here. Theres more, but theres plenty of time to address things as they come...Hopefully you wont think im being too critical or "heady" about this all, but you are asking for critical advice. And critical advice is what im giving Nerdfests next competiton is a year away so thats plenty of time to build your skills and snag a trophy for 2014! Im sure you can do it

ps...this site is a nice tool for building color schemes mess around with it, its pretty fun. i use a similar app for my ipad.
http://colorschemedesigner.com/

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The only thing I have critical of this model is the pose. The sword and rifle don't make much sense to me. But over all it looks good, end of story.
   
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare






Good job! the sword is great, a really different approach to painting it and you've given us something we are going "Ah why didn't I think of that?" over :-) the face from what we can see is done well too! you haven't gone too heavy on the lip blending which is good so he doesn't appear to be wearing lipstick! the greens are a good shade without being too toxic or too brown and the colours all work in harmony (except the background lol) all in all you've gotten neater and smoother in a week! god knows how good you'll be by christmas! :-)

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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Update time.

Firstly.....

Thank you for your responses, they are exactly what I want from you, really solid advice, and good honest criticism. (please don't be afraid to be hyper harsh here).

@ Panda, I am not 100% with the pose either, but I went for crouched dude telling the guys to hold still. Maybe should have lost the sword, but this unit is going to be a Nobs squad/ Kommandoes. Not even close to legal for gaming but a unit of Ork snipers. I had the idea for a while and nearly did this for your brotherhood competition. Kinda going for the assassins creed of orks look.

So update.

Well been painting a little, RL being a bitch at mo so not always in a good place to paint. But I have done some work.

First up, taken on board your comments about the ork flesh, is this far enough or should I go further.




Up next the next guy in the desert rats, trying for the next level here, now this shot is for skin tone only guys, have a good look at the face let me know your thoughts, I have tried taking your advice and have made a real effort here, but I need your eyes on it.




And just for kicks I am going to be applying your excellent advice to this guy and trying to improve him, and will also be trying out OSL on the plasma pistol, but don't want to rush things, and want to concentrate on skin really.



Well thanks for your time and thanks for looking in, please leave your thoughts it all goes to the collective, and I will hopefully be putting this together as a guide for others.




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Just know this will auto but hey!!

So while I was waiting I got to the other parts of this boy.....








So thoughts as always wanted please.

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Not where I should be

Damn no ones looking even I must be boring.....

Ok so this is auto-updated again.

I have listed some stuff on Ebay and put a link in the swap shop here. Might as well plug my own stuff. Its not actually models but wargames. Couple by Victory Games and some by Clash of Arms. The Clash of arms are basically the Nepoleonic war, and the others are various based around WW2. Please have a quick look if interested.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/561256.page#6213447




 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







I didn't have time to comment earlier, but now the second half of my mould is poured I can have a proper (and very close) look.

You can certainly do neat as evidenced by the hazard stripes.
And you can do small details as shown by the pupils in the eyes and the little bits on the guns etc...

I think the main thing for you to work on / towards is wet-blending.
Admittedly, while making these comments, I am looking at your pictures at very high zoom and I know that the rough edges in the layers of the skin are barely visible IRL (and if you zoom in on pictures of my models, you will see equally rough bits. Don't believe me, check 'em out).

So, the skin of both your IG and the Ork are (I'm trying to not sound rude of patronising when I write these critiques, but it's difficult to do) greatly improved. I can see that you've made the effort and I'm sure you can tell the difference between them and your older models if you stand them side-by-side (do it ).

Example; the Orks right arm, (the colours are good btw ) the side of his bicep there is too sharp a line between the green and the yellow-green and also on the lower end of his tricep. Work on blending those two colours together.
And if the yellow-green is going to be the highlight colour for the skin, don't over use it, maybe leave a little more of the intermediate green on view.

Also, some of the ridges on his hand and forearm have been filled in with the lighter colour and need re-darkening.

And with that in mind, can I ask how do you ... paint?
Are you a straight-from-the-pot painter, or do you use a pallet of some kind and do you mix custom colours for shading/layering/blending?
How do you approach your choice of colours/shades for the Ork skin, for example?


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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

That sniper is looking simply stunning, all those really neat highlights are superb! The bearded face, those eyes... You are definitely making progress here in your painting skills! Still the guns scheme is what sells this model for me...

   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

@ Vik Thank you sir.

@ DrH Thank you. Thanks for compliments and for advice. I will lay out below how I am painting. I have looked at my ork and am working on him.

Ok so how do I paint at the moment.

Well, I was always an out of the pot sort of guy, and then I started mixing me colours up. However I think unless you are very meticulous your are in trouble mixing colours, because if you want a unit to look consistent you need to paint them all at once with batches of paint. Painting a couple and hoping to get that exact shade of grey again is asking for trouble. However, I am working on this. One way I get around this is for instants, my desert boys here. I have mixed the in between tones and shades in pots in a reasonable quantity because I know I have 50 or more models that are all requiring that paint scheme. I never used to do this.

Now I combine my methods.
Base colours are out of the pot, but I water them down slightly.
Then I run a shade over the base colour.
Then I work base colour on my wet palette up through adding lighter shades as I go. Until I get to highlight. (this is where I am still taking too big a steps I think.)

So for my hummie flesh.

Primed white.
Cadian Fleshtone.
Agrax Earthshade.
Cadian Fleshtone.
Blend with Elf Flesh.
Elf Flesh
Blend with Ushabti Bone.
Ushabti bone.
Wash with watered down Seraphim Sepia.
Touch up with Elf Flesh.

Ork Flesh

Prime Black
Caliban Green.
Striking Scorpion Green.
Goblin Green
Rotting Flesh.
Wash of Waagh! Green ink.
Goblin Green.
Goblin Green and Bad Moon Yellow mix.

Bone:

Scorched Brown.
Mournfang brown.
Snakebite Leather.
Orc Brown.
Bleached Bone.
Seraphim Sepia wash.
Bleached bone.
Ceramite White.

Here's a pic of my Wet Palette, and my Dry Palette. No idea if this is correct. Most paint now I take a brush full out of the pot and put it on my wet palette, so it gets thinned down a bit. Then paint from there. I use the dry palette to mix up my washes.
I mix custom colours for character models etc. And a few of the competition entries, I use custom colours.




Now I will get to weathering and uniforms and stuff later. I know that I need to get to these. But concentrating on this right now.

So whilst I am at this I am trying to control my urges to build stuff, unfortunately I am failing. So while I am painting these guys very carefully. I am going to do some modelling work on an old project.



Counts as Chaos Decimator. I dropped it because I started to hate the pose. Could not get past his knocked knees and hunched shoulders, he looks like he is squatting down, so time to let rip and remodel him. Also learnt a few things since this so will be able to improve few bits that bugged me before.
So you will see an odd pic of this through this lot as something to curb my wondering.

Thanks for looking and please comment, let me know your thoughts.




 
   
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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

I think my biggest issue with mixing paints is how to use the wet pallet...I know the basic ingredients to make my own, but when it comes to using it I fail in two points: I think you need dropper bottles paints for one, and then you need lots of patience...that is my main issue here...oh...and making up recipes too of course

My next planned project is a walker too...so I am eager to see what you do to this awesome hulking behemoth of yours! And...mind you, you have a fan in me for this old style samurai looking beast...

   
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Eastern edge

And chaos too! Desert troops and Orks looking good!

"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!



 
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Thank you guys.

@ Vik, I know exactly what you mean. Mine is a sponge in a tub with a cleaning cloth wrapped around rather than mess up the sponge. I just put a brush full on the cloth, add a couple colours close together, then blend them together. But I seam to end up with a pitiful wash more often than not. Guess mine is too wet. It does greatly extend the painting life of your paint mind you.

Painting in progress on next member of squad.

Yes Chaos too. So adjusted legs, Having dismantled as much as possible.






Gave him a more "running" look. Had to rework the butt. All looking ok now, still lot of work to do.




 
   
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber





Affton, MO. USA

I like this pose better , I never liked the look of the decimator, I hope it's rules are awesome.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Yeah, that is a better (less static) pose.

You seem to be putting plenty of effort into your painting with all those layers. I'll have to go away and translate the names into something I understand and then... I'll be back.

I can't really help you with the wet-pallet as I don't need one with my odd paint choice. Our dear Comrade, the Panda did a mini tutorial about wet-pallets a while ago. The only thing I remember was he used wax paper on top on the sponge...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Thanks.

@ Theo. Rules are cool however probably a bit obsolete these days, with knights etc. coming through into 40k. But then I don't play. It was an idea, after my son asked me for the forgeworld one, no way I can afford that but scratch build no probs. (yeah right)

It's got a siege claw (big ass powerclaw) that also does fire damage, and a butcher cannon. Big nasty gun. It's pretty tough and is basically a big dreadnought. Like I say it will probably get mucked about with in house games between me and the kids, but never seriously used. It's to big really. FW model is 100mm tall, my baby is 120mm, so?

On a further not I will be making mega dredds to combat it of course. So look out for that one.




 
   
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As for a wet palette...you need to add a piece of bakers parchment paper on top of the cloth if youre going to use a home brew palette like that. (infact replace the cloth with papertowel or just go straight onto the sponge with the parchment paper) Which is just as good i think. P3 makes a good one and its simply a sponge with their "palette paper" on top.

AS for mixing, well, i mix everything. This is just my way. I think most painters work in this way because if you are using color theory, there is no way around mixing. Paint lines market their brand of colors as a way to make things easy for you, so you can use those tones as benchmarks, but the more you experiment with mixing, a much larger world of emotion is open to you.
Of course there is a danger that you will forget what your mix was so simply write it down. Its not as hard as you think to recreate the same general color. And youll know immediately whether or not your mix is off when you paint it on. It just takes practice to get faster at it.
Army painting i approach differently. Almost like strategy. How i can achieve the best results the quickest over and over? My kroot are army painted. I mix still, but far less and i use the pot color as a guidline.
Also, really continue to experiment with paint thinning. It sounds crazy, but it looks still like your paint is too thick. Its far better to coat the skin with 5 coats of watery paint than 2 coats of overthick paint.
You are making alot of progress and you should be super proud of yourself SA for the ork. He could still use a few sharp lines of highlight to bring out some details on the skin...knuckles etc etc.
Also, silly to mention but worth it i think. 'Eavy Metal Painting is a style for sure. Alot of the best miniature painters dont paint that way (coolminiornot proves that), but its definitely where i come from. I think their techniques are worth fully grasping because in many ways they are the basics of the art and mastering them will give you a strong foundation to learn other techniques
Again, text heavy post (sorry), but you want real advice, not pats on the back.

Definitely keep at it CC
BB


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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Thank you Bebop. No worries on your posting, all good. Thanks for the advice, Been trying to use it. Hearts been elsewhere for a few days unfortunately. (RL just a bit gak.) But hoping to get some sit down time over next couple days.

Ok couple points. Firstly new comp starting up. Early yet but heres link.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1290/403974.page#6227133

Next some GS work on the Decimators Butcher cannon. Going for a slight bit of daemonic possession here. Thoughts greatly appreciated.

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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

a muffin`???....lol...

the pose looks good... tho i am a bit worried that such big ´chines wouldn´t hurl themselves into battle at this speed?... tho... with gundam ones you actually have to expect the least to be expected

also... mind if you give me an extra close up of the legs? i would love to build a walker /dreadknight / knight class walker thingy and i can´t really figure out convincing looking mechanisms and suchlike...

the GS face on the is very good sculpting work ...wow...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
had a look again on your orky thread and now i´ve found your WIP pics... i knew you had them posted here... but i didn´t find them in the gallery...!

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Not where I should be

Here you go Vik.

Link to newly created gallery of the decimator with all shots to date. Hope it helps.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-65595-37448_Decimator%20Daemon%20Engine.html

Here are the close ups of the current arrangement.
Spoiler:








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Really love all the stuff on here
Awesome work

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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

cam...you´re the best!!! i ask and you deliver!...

the armor pads on the legs by the way look very spiffy! like hammered steel...

also...how many of those black tube thingies you gave me found there way into this build? they are a most versatile material for me... many thanks again mister^^

   
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Not where I should be

Update time.

@Sageheart Welcome to the mad house and thanks.

@ Vik Anything for you Vik. And yes they are a great little source, they are actually the middle from the till rolls used in my work.

Ok so think I had better give out some love here, so here is the newest member of the IG squad. For you inspection. Again wanting very critical debate here. How are my skin tones doing? How's the face looking? I have been trying to follow the excellent advice given here, and of course looking at your blogs for inspiration. I hope it is working.







Thanks for looking and please leave a thought.




 
   
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Shroomin Brain Boy





Berlin Germany

Hmmmm...let me think...the mouth area look like he has a very dry mouth/lips...as if the skin of it is peeling off due to lack of moisture...ig that was your intention...my hats of to you. He looks all I'm all like e soon gets a nasty sunburn...but curiously the face ad such is still pale?

Tat looks interesting, nut what is it? Looks like a little mouse to me???

   
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Gargantuan Great Squiggoth





Not where I should be

Yeah I got to work on the face looks a little paler than the rest. On it now.

And a cyber muffin to the one who gets the Tattoo reference, it's also on the bandana of the sniper.




 
   
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Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Oo oo, if it is a mouse, and if they are set on a desert planet, could it be the little mouse that can be seen on the second moon?

If it's not a mouse, all I can see now is a mouse...

I will be back with critiques, but I'm still going through your painting process.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Affton, MO. USA

The green stuff work on the butcher cannon is fantastic , and your guardsman is looking great as well. Is that helmet on slightly askew, or is that improvised sun shading?

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
 
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