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Tyranid Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst & Mucolid Spore $60 approx
A multipart plastic boxed set that makes either one Tyranid Tyrannocyte (Drop Pod) or one Tyranid Sporocyst (Weapons Bunker) and a Mucolid Spore (Giant Spore Mine)
Crimson Slaughter - A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set $127 approx
Includes 5 Cultists, 5 Chaos Terminators, 5 Raptors, 1 Land Raider.
Dark Angels - A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set $136 approx
Includes a Ravenwing Command Squad, 5 Deathwing Knights and a Dark Talon.
The Pestilent Swarm $191 approx
Includes a Maggoth Lord, 5 Putrid Blightkings, 10 Plaguebearers, 3 Plague Drones and 3 bases of Nurgling
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2014/11/03 17:22:08
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
SHUPPET wrote: Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?
No.
I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.
Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.
People are "gaga" because its a reason to play Nids again for those who love the army.
I play:
40K: Daemons, Tau
AoS: Blades of Khorne, Disciples of Tzeentch
Warmachine: Convergence of Cyriss
Infinity: Haqqislam, Tohaa
Malifaux: Bayou
Star Wars Legion: Republic & Separatists
MESBG: Far Harad, Misty Mountains
I think a lot of folks (especially since we've already seen examples in this thread) have old Myc Spores that they will use for some of them. That'll cut back on some of the cost.
I also imagine a lot of kitbashed giant spores.
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SHUPPET wrote: Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?
No.
I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.
Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.
Did you just pay to download those rules? I know I didn't. The rules will probably be in the box anyway.
People are going gaga because (aside from instinctive behaviour) the biggest issue with the current Tyranid codex is a lack of reliable army-wide deployment options. Aside from the handful of mostly mediocre deep-striking units like Raveners, Rippers and Trygons, all we had was Hive Commander for Troops only and a ~30% chance to roll Master of Ambush. The latter of course being something you could never write an list around.
This one unit is a huge leap towards making many of the marginalised choices in the codex viable.
2014/11/03 17:30:34
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
SHUPPET wrote: Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?
No.
I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.
Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.
Yeah, this still doesn't make it a great business decision however. While removing them was a terrible one, it's been a long time since then, so the question I was asking was since their removal, is this one of the best decisions they've made so far? The answer is a resounding yes afaict
P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2014/11/03 17:36:49
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
Speculation: I bet there's a formation that gives the new stuff first turn deep strike.
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2014/11/03 17:38:25
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
SHUPPET wrote: Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?
No.
I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.
Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.
Did you just pay to download those rules? I know I didn't. The rules will probably be in the box anyway.
People are going gaga because (aside from instinctive behaviour) the biggest issue with the current Tyranid codex is a lack of reliable army-wide deployment options. Aside from the handful of mostly mediocre deep-striking units like Raveners, Rippers and Trygons, all we had was Hive Commander for Troops only and a ~30% chance to roll Master of Ambush. The latter of course being something you could never write an list around.
This one unit is a huge leap towards making many of the marginalised choices in the codex viable.
And, to use the pic Az just used about a certain turn of phrase...
The point that no-one is addressing. This was a unit that never should have left the codex in the first place. This discussion about "Nids being viable again" should not be happening. GW removed the unit to spite Chapterhouse and other 3rd party producers, then have now released it as DLC because that's what they do now. Are they trying to emulate PP's release model? Who knows?
SHUPPET wrote: Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?
No.
I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.
Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.
Yeah, this still doesn't make it a great business decision however. While removing them was a terrible one, it's been a long time since then, so the question I was asking was since their removal, is this one of the best decisions they've made so far? The answer is a resounding yes afaict
In that respect it is, but it never should have been removed in the first place.
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SHUPPET wrote: Is it safe to say that this is the best business decision GW has in a long time?
No.
I'm not following why everyone is going so gaga over this, when it is a unit that by all rights should have never been removed from the codex in the first place. It's simply more DLC from GW as they've finally realised pettiness is not better than making money.
Yes, it is a beautiful kit; but a lot of people in this thread seem to have very short memories.
It was removed because they didn't want unit entries without models, and these were likely not ready to go yet. Now that the CH stuff is settled, they can bring some things back.
Also, it's not "DLC" when the rules are free-in-the-box, on the internet, and a White Dwarf is only $4. Even with the stuff that was removed from the codex (which no one spent money on models for, as GW didn't produce them - so they didn't steal anything from, or owe anything to the players), Tyranids still had more options than in the previous 'dex.
No one has short memories; in fact, it's because we remembered what happened before that this release is exciting. Not to mention the fact that the kit makes alternative builds (with new rules) instead of just one, non-interactive and otherwise useless model representation.
Tyranids were already okay, but this gives them a major shot in the arm, new tactics to employ, and the enemies can no longer sit comfortably in one corner of the table.
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I think that sounds right, except about the CH stuff being "settled". They're actually in settlement talks right now, or otherwise will be going through a long appeals process. We'll know more after the hearing on the 12th (a week and a half from now).
The sporocyst looks like an upside-down Goremaw of Darksiders.
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RiTides wrote: I think that sounds right, except about the CH stuff being "settled". They're actually in settlement talks right now, or otherwise will be going through a long appeals process. We'll know more after the hearing on the 12th (a week and a half from now).
I meant to put "being settled." There's a reason GW has dropped all this stuff now, and other codices will likely get the same treatment.
People just refuse to vocally let GW win, though their wallets will tell a different story by buying all of this stuff. It's cool to bash them, complain stuff is gone, complain when it's brought back (better and with more options), complain when one army gets stuff, then complain when theirs gets attention too...
Basically, people gripe as if they were owed something that didn't cost them money before, and they didn't even know was coming (again, with more options) down the pipe.
This is literally GW giving these players what they wanted, and more, and not making them buy another book for it.
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IS there any chance that these rumors which were slated for the 6th Edition Codex be relevant to these new units?
- Zoanthrope (Doom)/Genethrope, plastic dual kit. FALSE
- Zoanthropes are ML1 psykers, have access to the Devastation, Telepathy, Telekinesis tables. FALSE
- Genethropes are similar, but have access to the Adaptation and Biomancy tables. FALSE
- Both types can upgrade up to ML2 but only ever get 1 power, each Elite choice is a unit of 1-3 that can contain mixded Zoan and Gene. FALSE
- Doom has access to all the above tables and comes with Essence Leech and 3 powers. FALSE
- Consumes a wound every time it uses a power (except for Leech), but can keep casting until a Perils roll or its down to 1 wound. FALSE
- Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit FALSE
- Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores. FALSE
Some of these sound very familiar especially if the Zoan gets a duel kit.
- Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit FALSE
- Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores. FALSE
Interesting. They were most certainly guesses, but still interesting.
Here's the rest of that rumor
Spoiler:
Tyranid Rumors - Aug 2013
Army-wide notes
- No FOC and ally table changes TRUE - Devastation and Adaptation are new power tables with 3 powers each + primaris. FALSE - Primaris for Devastation = Warp Blast, Adaptation = Onslaught (similar to battle-focus) FALSE - All Tyranid powers can be used with either one or two charges to increase the effect. FALSE - Ravenous Advance: Units with this rule can run & assault in the same turn. FALSE - The Ground Trembles: All MC cause d3 Hammer of Wrath hits. FALSE - Red Terror, Deathleaper and Old One Eye are unique upgrades to their respective broods. FALSE
- Harpy/Erinye, plastic dual kit. FALSE - Harpy is designed to kill infantry hordes/provide support via its special vector strike. PARTIALLY TRUE - Vector striking it can either use Spore Mine Cyst to create blasts along the path or Sonic Screech to halve initiative and cause a pinning test. FALSE
- Erinye is an AA variant in Elite, very different front torso/head piece with gribbly tentacles. FALSE - Increased Swoop speed and its gimmick is grappling other flyers. FALSE - Vector strike -> dice roll 4+ -> the enemy flyer is dragged directly behind where the Erinye ended its move, including a new facing. FALSE - Both can buy broods of Gargoyles that can drop off in the movement phase when not vector striking. FALSE
- Zoanthrope (Doom)/Genethrope, plastic dual kit. FALSE - Zoanthropes are ML1 psykers, have access to the Devastation, Telepathy, Telekinesis tables. FALSE - Genethropes are similar, but have access to the Adaptation and Biomancy tables. FALSE - New unique biomorphs. Increased Shadow in the Warp range, Deny the Witch boost aura, two others. FALSE
- Both types can upgrade up to ML2 but only ever get 1 power, each Elite choice is a unit of 1-3 that can contain mixded Zoan and Gene. FALSE
- Doom has access to all the above tables and comes with Essence Leech and 3 powers. FALSE - Consumes a wound every time it uses a power (except for Leech), but can keep casting until a Perils roll or its down to 1 wound. FALSE
- Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit FALSE - Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores. FALSE
- Hive Nodes are bought by HQ models (1-3 choice for Tyrants, 1 for every other HQ), no transport capacity. FALSE - Nodes provide Synapse and can be configured in one of many ways. Grants poison or shrouding to nearby units or terraforms (Dangerous Terrain) the surroundings. FALSE
- Carnifex
- Old unused bimorphs in the box are options again. TRUE - Base cost the same but upgrades are much, much cheaper overall but lots of "only buy 1 out of this list" kind of choices which greatly limits what a fex can have. FALSE - Tusked gives HoW an AP value, Thornback increases the number of HoW hits. FALSE - Enhanced Senses gives Night Fighting. FALSE - Tail Scythe & Tail Mace each deliver a single hit to all models in BtB at Ini 1, with different stats. FALSE - Living Battering Ram rule: Changed to allow the Carnifex to assault the contents of a building/transport on a 4+ if it was destroyed by its charge, rolled once for the brood. FALSE
Also, here was one from BOLS:
Tyranid Rumors - August 2013
They rain down from the Hiveships, gelatenous bags of vile ichor and malevolence. Here's the latest word on the Mycetic Spore said to arriving with the upcoming Tyranids.
-Mycetic Spore is coming with the new Tyranid release DUPLICATE -Plastic combo-kit that makes the Spore and another large bug. FALSE -It is an enormous creature, with an immense abdomen/transport sac, that spills over the sides of a standard oval base. FALSE -It has tiny vestigial arms similar to a Zoanthropes, and a head with a tentacle ringed maw. FALSE -The giant abdomen/sac looks swollen, and has internal protuberances looking like Tyranid creatures are stretching the skin from within, about to rip their way out... ~EWWWWW!!! FALSE -It has forward arms options that can be upgraded for various biomorph/weapon options. FALSE -The secondary creature build option replaces the abdomen/sac with something entirely different. FALSE
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- Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit FALSE
- Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores. FALSE
Interesting. They were most certainly guesses, but still interesting.
Here's the rest of that rumor
[spoiler]
Tyranid Rumors - Aug 2013
Army-wide notes
- No FOC and ally table changes TRUE - Devastation and Adaptation are new power tables with 3 powers each + primaris. FALSE - Primaris for Devastation = Warp Blast, Adaptation = Onslaught (similar to battle-focus) FALSE - All Tyranid powers can be used with either one or two charges to increase the effect. FALSE - Ravenous Advance: Units with this rule can run & assault in the same turn. FALSE - The Ground Trembles: All MC cause d3 Hammer of Wrath hits. FALSE - Red Terror, Deathleaper and Old One Eye are unique upgrades to their respective broods. FALSE
- Harpy/Erinye, plastic dual kit. FALSE - Harpy is designed to kill infantry hordes/provide support via its special vector strike. PARTIALLY TRUE - Vector striking it can either use Spore Mine Cyst to create blasts along the path or Sonic Screech to halve initiative and cause a pinning test. FALSE
- Erinye is an AA variant in Elite, very different front torso/head piece with gribbly tentacles. FALSE - Increased Swoop speed and its gimmick is grappling other flyers. FALSE - Vector strike -> dice roll 4+ -> the enemy flyer is dragged directly behind where the Erinye ended its move, including a new facing. FALSE - Both can buy broods of Gargoyles that can drop off in the movement phase when not vector striking. FALSE
- Zoanthrope (Doom)/Genethrope, plastic dual kit. FALSE - Zoanthropes are ML1 psykers, have access to the Devastation, Telepathy, Telekinesis tables. FALSE - Genethropes are similar, but have access to the Adaptation and Biomancy tables. FALSE - New unique biomorphs. Increased Shadow in the Warp range, Deny the Witch boost aura, two others. FALSE
- Both types can upgrade up to ML2 but only ever get 1 power, each Elite choice is a unit of 1-3 that can contain mixded Zoan and Gene. FALSE
- Doom has access to all the above tables and comes with Essence Leech and 3 powers. FALSE - Consumes a wound every time it uses a power (except for Leech), but can keep casting until a Perils roll or its down to 1 wound. FALSE
- Mycetic Spore/Mycetic Hive Node, plastic dual kit FALSE - Spore is a Dedicated Transport, notable changes are that SC can join and MC broods can all opt to get spores. FALSE
- Hive Nodes are bought by HQ models (1-3 choice for Tyrants, 1 for every other HQ), no transport capacity. FALSE - Nodes provide Synapse and can be configured in one of many ways. Grants poison or shrouding to nearby units or terraforms (Dangerous Terrain) the surroundings. FALSE
- Carnifex
- Old unused bimorphs in the box are options again. TRUE - Base cost the same but upgrades are much, much cheaper overall but lots of "only buy 1 out of this list" kind of choices which greatly limits what a fex can have. FALSE - Tusked gives HoW an AP value, Thornback increases the number of HoW hits. FALSE - Enhanced Senses gives Night Fighting. FALSE - Tail Scythe & Tail Mace each deliver a single hit to all models in BtB at Ini 1, with different stats. FALSE - Living Battering Ram rule: Changed to allow the Carnifex to assault the contents of a building/transport on a 4+ if it was destroyed by its charge, rolled once for the brood. FALSE
Also, here was one from BOLS:
Tyranid Rumors - August 2013
They rain down from the Hiveships, gelatenous bags of vile ichor and malevolence. Here's the latest word on the Mycetic Spore said to arriving with the upcoming Tyranids.
-Mycetic Spore is coming with the new Tyranid release DUPLICATE -Plastic combo-kit that makes the Spore and another large bug. FALSE -It is an enormous creature, with an immense abdomen/transport sac, that spills over the sides of a standard oval base. FALSE -It has tiny vestigial arms similar to a Zoanthropes, and a head with a tentacle ringed maw. FALSE -The giant abdomen/sac looks swollen, and has internal protuberances looking like Tyranid creatures are stretching the skin from within, about to rip their way out... ~EWWWWW!!! FALSE -It has forward arms options that can be upgraded for various biomorph/weapon options. FALSE -The secondary creature build option replaces the abdomen/sac with something entirely different. FALSE
[/spoiler]
Here is one more:
Tyranid Rumors - More Tyranid Info - Feb 2013
*Tyranids are coming. Probably after Orks sometime next year. FALSE
*Carnifexes are getting a big boost TRUE
*Deepstriking emplacements for shooting and increasing synapse ranges FALSE
*A new Spider-like Pysker Monstrous Creature FALSE
Automatically Appended Next Post: Seems like there was some truth mixed in some of those rumors right Pretre? I imagine there are people who get some information right but there is a chance that decisions could post pone some of the info to a later date.
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I feel like they are starting to listen to their customer, or at the very least seem to be making some better decisions.
That would imply they to actually do market research...
I'm more of the opinion of "Throw enough gak and eventually some of it will stick."
They spend a ton on market research, and have investors threatening them if they do otherwise.
ON TOPIC:
It could be a Zoanthrope dual kit, or simply a hint at whatever is in the campaign box.
Also, wasn't the Doom a unique breed of the Hive Mind, basically used as a test platform (which subsequently wiped out a Craftworld)? When that happens, doesn't the Hive Mind usually suck up the biomass, record the data, and then decide to make something new? I thought that's basically what the Maleceptor was designed to be - though he's a bit difficult to utilize properly. (I've play tested him a few times, but still have a ways to go.)
I feel like they are starting to listen to their customer, or at the very least seem to be making some better decisions.
That would imply they to actually do market research...
I'm more of the opinion of "Throw enough gak and eventually some of it will stick."
They spend a ton on market research, and have investors threatening them if they do otherwise.
"We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things
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2014/11/03 18:08:55
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
Lord Scythican wrote: Seems like there was some truth mixed in some of those rumors right Pretre? I imagine there are people who get some information right but there is a chance that decisions could post pone some of the info to a later date.
Yeah, I need to decide how to deal with these. Usually, I reverse things, but those were a hella long time ago.
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2014/11/03 18:14:24
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
Lord Scythican wrote: Seems like there was some truth mixed in some of those rumors right Pretre? I imagine there are people who get some information right but there is a chance that decisions could post pone some of the info to a later date.
Yeah, I need to decide how to deal with these. Usually, I reverse things, but those were a hella long time ago.
I admit, it is a bit of a bitch to do this. However I also think it is unfair to someone who gave out a rumor to be penalized by GW deciding to do a different release date. I would bet that is how they have axed many of the rumor mongers. They probably give out different information to different people. Some of these rumors are very similar to what we are getting. Heck I even seen one that said they would be a fall release after Orks! Of course it was a 2013 release rumor and not a 2014, but still kind of uncanny?
I bet many of these people are reporting concepts and possible release dates and when they don't pan out they look like fools. Kind of sad...If there is anything I can do, let me know. I can read through all the rumors and track down some of the ones that seem more accurate now than before. At least a few Partially Trues could be tossed around right?
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So...they had to remove Mycetic spores from the codex, make a new, bigger kit, and come up with a dumber name and more impressive stats and re-release it later?
Man that Chapterhouse lawsuit has messed things up over at GW apparently....
Also, just curious, it's an MC and has five weapons, but doesn't seem to have anything allowing it to fire all five weapons...
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2014/11/03 18:33:43
Subject: Re:Tyranids get a Drop Pod (picture inside)
Vaktathi wrote: So...they had to remove Mycetic spores from the codex, make a new, bigger kit, and come up with a dumber name and more impressive stats and re-release it later?
Man that Chapterhouse lawsuit has messed things up over at GW apparently....
Also, just curious, it's an MC and has five weapons, but doesn't seem to have anything allowing it to fire all five weapons...
Any once again...I apologize everyone. I wish I would have never made that damn tervigon kit... :(
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