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 statu wrote:


But one thing bugs me. When did Clara move back to the council estate? In Last Christmas she's shown living in a house, and now she's back in her old flat?

That was in the dream sequence, where she a life with Danny Pink.

The only thing that really bothered me was that the Doctor asked Osgood which one was real. He himself stated that they were both Osgood and Zygon at the same time, a Hybrid.I feel like the fact that he asked in the end went directly in the face of him understanding the importance of the Osgoods earlier in the episode.

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/08/will-the-doctor-be-the-judge-of-time-spoilers/


does kind of make sense.

Interesting article. Clara ASSUMES that the doctors visits are chronological. It is very possible the doctor has already seen Clara die and he visits her out of order and she doesn't know... or hasn't figured it out yet. Like he is trying out experiments in changing time in an attempt to save her.

I think that rather sudden change of mind regarding that might have been the whole 'Hybrid' thing cropping up again, and suddenly realising it was important.

reds8n wrote:http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/11/08/will-the-doctor-be-the-judge-of-time-spoilers/


does kind of make sense.

If that does play out like that, then I hope that they


Interesting that the article mentioned Episode 11 will be purely The Doctor, with no companion or guest cast, if that's to be taken literally and we get Capaldi on his own for the whole episode in whatever manner, bring it on! I think he could certainly pull off a 100% solo episode with the right writing.

certainly would go some way towards explaining some of the odder comments and looks.

the judge of time line leapt out to me.

 Dr. What wrote:

 statu wrote:


But one thing bugs me. When did Clara move back to the council estate? In Last Christmas she's shown living in a house, and now she's back in her old flat?

That was in the dream sequence, where she a life with Danny Pink.
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She was also in the house though when the doctor found her at the end though

As was said earlier though, it could have been her Nans or something

The Doctor's speech was excellent, the first good chunk of declamation the writers have given Peter Capaldi so far in his tenure.

 statu wrote:

 Dr. What wrote:

 statu wrote:


But one thing bugs me. When did Clara move back to the council estate? In Last Christmas she's shown living in a house, and now she's back in her old flat?

That was in the dream sequence, where she a life with Danny Pink.
.

She was also in the house though when the doctor found her at the end though

As was said earlier though, it could have been her Nans or something

I just assumed it was her apartment bedroom. I didn't care enough for the special to really pay attention to the details, just the "don't let facts get int he way of a good story" part.

Damn it, BBC, you were doing so well! And then you go and dump that load of rubbish all over us! I am so very, very glad this was a one-off rather than a 2-part like the rest.


Ahem, rant over...

Still, next week's looks interesting, and quite possibly provides some significant evidence to the theory linked on the last page. All I'll say is, the suit is back...

On the bright side, they hired a pretty good GLaDOS impersonator.

I rather liked that episode. The 'found footage' treatment that becomes part of the plot. The Indo-Japanese dominant culture.

The ending didn't seem to make any sense though. Did I miss The Tardis bailing out with people on board?

Basically...

Thought the soldiers had a bit of a Cadian vibe to their uniforms.

Momotaro wrote:
Thought the soldiers had a bit of a Cadian vibe to their uniforms.

That's because it became impossible to imagine a completely original human future soldier in about 1986, after the release of Aliens. At least, if it is possible, no-one seems to have done it yet.

The problem is that a human kitted out for war looks like a human kitted out for war. Soldiers throughout history have had a helmet and armour if they could afford them, a couple of weapons and some equipment slung on a harness, and so on. Thus, our understanding of what a soldier looks like has a very strong bias

I can imagine a soldier in something like Woody Allen's bubble suit from The Sleeper. This soldier would bounce around the battlefield, attacking by jumping on enemies like Super Mario, or squirting corrosive gas at them out of valves on his suit, which is of course bullet-proof and defends against blasts by bouncing away.

But how silly would that look as a representation of a soldier?

The more likely scenario in 100 years is that we will fight wars with semi-autonomous drone robots that won't necessarily even be humanoid in form, controlled remotely by people wearing VR helmets.

 Compel wrote:
Basically...

Spoiler:

The Doctor, Clara and the survivor ran away, the station was destroyed, but that didn't matter, because the baddies won and the human race is doomed to die in the 38th century.

That's what it looked like to me, which seemed a bit of a weird result as it would be a hiccup in human expansion into space, and it was clearly a one-off episode.

Apparently Ashildr will be back in the next episode. And Cybermen?

Flatline kid too... I thought we could forget the first half of last season.

Oh god, please not Cybermen... not after last year...

Flatline was probably the best or second best episode from last series, though (along with Mummy on the Orient Express, by the same writer), so that's fine. And more Ashildr is a good thing too.

I dont know. I never liked her. She seemed to childish, even as an adult she seemed way to impulsive and acted to young.

I really didn't like Flatline anywhere near as much as the Orient Express and Time Heist episodes.

Ashildr/Maisie Wililams has been a very mixed bag for me, but she'll probably be in the 2 part finale and maybe 1 more episode after this. I think she's very restricted by the setting and the writing (which is what was strangling Capaldi and Clara out last season).

Also, apparently the Christmas special will

Yeah, the last episode was both rubbish and baffling. It actually made me wish that Strictly Come dancing was still on and I had dreamed that rubbish.

Pointless Gene-Soldier McGuffin just to get the stranded soldier through a fire who then promptly dies.

It's perplexing that in a series that has been of quite high quality thus far they left in that one?

Hey I liked it. It was weird and offkilter.

 notprop wrote:


It's perplexing that in a series that has been of quite high quality thus far they left in that one?

It did seem very out of place, firstly just because of the whole tone and the gimmicky 'found footage' style, but also being a single episode in the wake of 4 2-parters (a choice that I love, gives the writers so much more time to develop plots, none of the 'oh, we're out of time, quick Deus Ex TARDIS/Sonic/Macguffin plot resolution' that plagued the last couple of series). Next weeks is also a one-off, but given where it seems this series is going, I imagine there will be a healthy does of setup for the finale.

It was apparently the 'money saver' episode of the series, so that explains the very limited cast and set, but the whole thing just felt like it was part of a totally different show.

Stories through the eyes (literally in this case) of supporting cast have worked well for several of the novels, as writing prose from the Doc's POV is inevitably difficult, but really didn't work on film if you ask me.

I'm told this is the way it really happened:




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 Paradigm wrote:
...It was apparently the 'money saver' episode of the series, so that explains the very limited cast and set, but the whole thing just felt like it was part of a totally different show...

Makes sense.

The whole set looked like it was the same as the recent underwater base they had.

 notprop wrote:
The whole set looked like it was the same as the recent underwater base they had.

Pretty sure it was a slightly different design, but you're right that it did seem very familiar.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/37823/doctor-who-steven-moffat-wants-a-sleep-no-more-sequel




my emphasis.


... thought there was something a bit ...rushed?... odd about the ending.

Shame, it means the Eyegunkmen will be back.

If I was suspicious I would suspect this is Gatiss finding work for his League of Gentlemen buddies.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 notprop wrote:
The whole set looked like it was the same as the recent underwater base they had.

Pretty sure it was a slightly different design, but you're right that it did seem very familiar.

Somehow they managed to find a supplier of Space Corridors.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

Momotaro wrote:
Thought the soldiers had a bit of a Cadian vibe to their uniforms.

That's because it became impossible to imagine a completely original human future soldier in about 1986, after the release of Aliens. At least, if it is possible, no-one seems to have done it yet.

The problem is that a human kitted out for war looks like a human kitted out for war. Soldiers throughout history have had a helmet and armour if they could afford them, a couple of weapons and some equipment slung on a harness, and so on. Thus, our understanding of what a soldier looks like has a very strong bias

I can imagine a soldier in something like Woody Allen's bubble suit from The Sleeper. This soldier would bounce around the battlefield, attacking by jumping on enemies like Super Mario, or squirting corrosive gas at them out of valves on his suit, which is of course bullet-proof and defends against blasts by bouncing away.

But how silly would that look as a representation of a soldier?

The more likely scenario in 100 years is that we will fight wars with semi-autonomous drone robots that won't necessarily even be humanoid in form, controlled remotely by people wearing VR helmets.

Errr... I thought the helmets looked a little similar.

But clearly you have a lot to say on the matter. Don't let me stop you, you seem to be having fun...



Besides,we all know that the Cadians would have sent in three armoured divisions for a rescue mission on a space station...

 reds8n wrote:

... thought there was something a bit ...rushed?... odd about the ending.

 notprop wrote:
Shame, it means the Eyegunkmen will be back.

'Hey guys, how do you follow the most ridiculous premise for a Dr Who villain since Absorbaloff (or perhaps the stupidity with the tree invasion last year)?'
'Dunno!'
'Got it! Leave people in suspense! Keep them guessing!'
'How so?'
'Well, they'll be afraid to get too excited next year, as they know that no matter how good the series gets, somewhere along the line they're going to have to sit through Eye-Bogeyman II: This Time It's Personal!'

It could have been worse.

It could have been nose bogey man.

That snot right.