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A sperm is a hypothetical one day child, a fetus is a child. Unless you think it might come out something else?...
Your finger is not a human, it is part of a human. Killing a fetus is killing a whole human, removing a finger is handicapping a human. Very different again.
Have you been around pregnant women? I have 5 aunties in my immediate family and all have had more than 1 child. All my uncles have had at least 1 child with their wives. None of them would refer to their children as a horrendous 9 months of hell. I suspect only teenagers have that opinion or those with no experience being around pregnant women.
Better a child to be upset for a little while than outright kill him yes? I mean, If I cannot stay with my child for X reason (war for example) then better to kill him? Sounds pretty nasty to me mate. Killing to spare emotions is pretty sick dude.
Yes its easy to kill a helpless and dependent child, but it doesn't make it correct.
Dehumanization is the psychological process of demonizing the enemy, making them seem less than human and hence not worthy of humane treatment. This can lead to increased violence, human rights violations, war crimes, and genocide.
Just saying mate... you are dehumanizing a human. Denying it is a human simply because it is in it's first stages of life (much like caterpillars or eggs etc) is pretty gross.
If the child is allowed to develop what will come out of the women? A human baby yes? Not a tree, not an apple, not a pig, nothing but a human. Yes that baby may die of natural causes or murder on during its path, but that is no different from you dying of murder or natural causes on the your path. Unless you are of the viewpoint you are technically not alive because you could die at any second.
I am not a teenager, and I have indeed been around pregnant women. What I expect the difference is between your aunties and those who would describe the experience as hell is that your aunties wanted to have your cousins.
It will definitely come out a child, but while its still up in someone else's body it is a foetus. I do not think that the foetus counts as a human being whilst its up in there, but this is a semantic argument.
So lets try a differnet tactic. We'll assume for the moment that the foetus is a human being.
If I woke up one day, and somebody had hooked me to the body of another person - fully alive, walking, talking person - and told me that if I uncoupled myself, the other person would die, I should still be allowed to uncouple myself. This is because I have bodily autonomy - my body, my choices.
Ignoring the fact that my grandmother had few miscarriages and her first 2 children as a result of rape (60 years ago deaf children in board schools were not treated well) and not once has she refereed to pregnancy as hell or anything negative. In fact the most pain she ever had was having her first kids taken away from her at birth. We have met one of them, but the other has never been seen since.
See in your example, someone is dying of natural causes. The right thing to do would be to try help the poor guy out. But you did not create the guy. The situation is very different. Of course if someone on the side of the road is burning alive you have the choice to help him or not. But usually you are seen as a coward for letting the guy burn regardless of if you know him or not. It is a cowardly thing to let someone die when you are in every position to help them. Unless of course you think we should also be allowed to let people die because you don't feel like going through the effort? ESPECIALLY if you had a hand in getting the person in that situation to begin with.
The child is part of the persons creation, they helped put them there (99.99% of the time) and therefore have the obligation to take care of them. It's like buying a dog, then killing it because you changed your mind. Sick and unjust.
That's some great anecdotal evidence you have there.
Except you cannot accidentally become 'with dog'. If I set out to buy a dog, I get a dog. If I set out to have an orgasm, it sometimes results in pregnancy. Fortunately, we have a procedure to dela with that.
Explain please, how one accidentally gets pregnant? (outside of rape that's forced not accident). If I go driving, I go driving to get somewhere. If I make a mistake and kill a few people its not my fault and I should be able to exempt myself from the consequences. That doesn't sound right does it? If you want to get laid then you must accept that there are consequences that might happen if you mess it up. That consequence is a human child. If you cannot stop yourself from getting pregnant that is your fault not the childs fault. It is stupidly easy to not get pregnant.
Explain how one can accidentally have sex? Because it seems clear having sex is a choice and it is common sense that sex = baby.
Also saying pregnancy is hell is also anecdotal...
Using made up numbers here, so for trust the maths, though I'm sure it would be close to the actual number. Let's say a condom is 99.99% effective, and we'll assume the pill is likewise 99.99% effective. The chances of both failing is what 0.0001? That one in what a million event, is the accidental pregnancy
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Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Well, when you decide to have sex with birth control you accept that there is that 1 in a million chance of an oopsie. If you are not willing to risk that very small chance, then don't have sex at all.
You made the choice to have sex despite that risk. If the probability happens you have to accept the consequence that you are now pregnant.
People who go bungee jumping sign waivers they won't sue if they get hurt. Even though the chance is infinitesimally small. If they get hurt, well they accepted the risk of that when they went bungee jumping. This is no different. If you use birth control, you accept the very small risk it might not work. If it doesn't, you gotta deal with the fact you now have a baby. You can still not have sex if you really can't take that risk. Or give it up for adoption.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I can't even be bothered to argue this any longer, it's late, I need sleep, and neither side is ever going to win. The only compromise would be to allow it to occur so that those in favour can access this and those against can just carry on their lives and ignore it
We've...well I was going to say we've learned, we've loved, we've lost, but we've really only all lost a lot of time and effort.
For a detailed breakdown of the many reasons this thread needed to die, refer to the on field ref.
Note: I couldn't be bothered to figure out exactly which ones were actually relevant, so I just picked the few I was sure of then the ones I liked best.
Spoiler:
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
