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Asterios wrote:
my post was not about Cops killing Blacks, but about Blacks killing blacks which they have killed many more blacks then anyone combined and yet the Black Lives matter don't seem to care about that.

This is something that's been discussed on this forum lots of times. For one, BLM is not representivie of every problem that black people have in this country, pretty much only the police one. Second, there are marches, rallies, and community meetings all of the time to address the issue of violence in the black community, especially in cities like Chicago (seriously, google it yourself and see).

Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it's not happening.

Asterios wrote:

I just clicked the links didn't pay attention to the source,

That is a huge, huge issue, and I would hope that people who follow the news as closely as you do would take a little more care than that.

As it goes I understand that there are some cops who take things to extreme, but they are not the only factor to consider, in other words they are not the core factor, there are bigger issues in this country and no one thing will fix them all.

Right. No one thing is ever going to fix any major issue. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps toward resolving it.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

Asterios wrote:
my post was not about Cops killing Blacks, but about Blacks killing blacks which they have killed many more blacks then anyone combined and yet the Black Lives matter don't seem to care about that.

This is something that's been discussed on this forum lots of times. For one, BLM is not representivie of every problem that black people have in this country, pretty much only the police one. Second, there are marches, rallies, and community meetings all of the time to address the issue of violence in the black community, especially in cities like Chicago (seriously, google it yourself and see).

Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it's not happening.

True. There's also the fact that local and state govt actually have the power to address and rectify problems with the police departments they oversee. New laws/regulations can be passed to increase the usage of body cameras, police training and procedures, community outreach, transparency, the publicizing of data, establishing third party oversight and increasing accountability, etc. therefore it makes sense to have protests directed to motivate that kind of political action. In regards to black on black crime it's much harder to resolve the causes behind the problem with new laws or govt action.

 Spinner wrote:

Asterios wrote:

I just clicked the links didn't pay attention to the source,

That is a huge, huge issue, and I would hope that people who follow the news as closely as you do would take a little more care than that.

As it goes I understand that there are some cops who take things to extreme, but they are not the only factor to consider, in other words they are not the core factor, there are bigger issues in this country and no one thing will fix them all.

Right. No one thing is ever going to fix any major issue. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps toward resolving it.

I saw it as one of a few dozen links on the shooting and still could not find any BLM protests about it.

I agree steps should be taken, but you don't bandage a leg if the arm is injured, and then things like this don't help:

http://cbs12.com/news/entertainment/sir-maejor-i-dont-justify-it-but-i-understand-it

he says he doesn't justify it, but he understands it, how is the killing of 5 cops who did nothing understandable? that is like killing some black people because other black people are killing people. may not condone it but understand it (not my belief, but its essentially what he said)

Prestor Jon wrote:

True. There's also the fact that local and state govt actually have the power to address and rectify problems with the police departments they oversee. New laws/regulations can be passed to increase the usage of body cameras, police training and procedures, community outreach, transparency, the publicizing of data, establishing third party oversight and increasing accountability, etc. therefore it makes sense to have protests directed to motivate that kind of political action. In regards to black on black crime it's much harder to resolve the causes behind the problem with new laws or govt action.

All of Which Dallas had done and yet the hate was so much someone decided to kill some of them, also as to body cameras evidently not so reliable (Baton Rouge cops "Claimed" theirs fell off during scuffle).

I find it sad that nobody in this thread thinks that veteran suicides matter. Or that childhood cancer victims matter. Or that people who drown in their own bathtubs matter.

At this point in history, I think that people who go "black lives matter, but I thought all lives matter" are either willfully ignorant or purposefully obtuse.

 d-usa wrote:
I find it sad that nobody in this thread thinks that veteran suicides matter. Or that childhood cancer victims matter. Or that people who drown in their own bathtubs matter.

At this point in history, I think that people who go "black lives matter, but I thought all lives matter" are either willfully ignorant or purposefully obtuse.

Spoiler:

problem with that cartoon is if my neighbor's house was on fire and mine was in danger I would have been spraying both houses, but thats me.

I think it is willfully ignorant to ignore all else but one part, its not one part it is much bigger then that.

Asterios wrote:


problem with that cartoon is if my neighbor's house was on fire and mine was in danger I would have been spraying both houses, but thats me.

"That is completely outside the analogy."

 LordofHats wrote:

Asterios wrote:


problem with that cartoon is if my neighbor's house was on fire and mine was in danger I would have been spraying both houses, but thats me.

"That is completely outside the analogy."

Personally, when we respond to a Code Blue at work, I usually switch CPR between the guy without a pulse and the guy with a pulse. Just in case, you know?

Asterios wrote:

Spoiler:

 Spinner wrote:

Asterios wrote:

I just clicked the links didn't pay attention to the source,

That is a huge, huge issue, and I would hope that people who follow the news as closely as you do would take a little more care than that.

As it goes I understand that there are some cops who take things to extreme, but they are not the only factor to consider, in other words they are not the core factor, there are bigger issues in this country and no one thing will fix them all.

Right. No one thing is ever going to fix any major issue. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps toward resolving it.

I saw it as one of a few dozen links on the shooting and still could not find any BLM protests about it.

I agree steps should be taken, but you don't bandage a leg if the arm is injured, and then things like this don't help:

http://cbs12.com/news/entertainment/sir-maejor-i-dont-justify-it-but-i-understand-it

he says he doesn't justify it, but he understands it, how is the killing of 5 cops who did nothing understandable? that is like killing some black people because other black people are killing people. may not condone it but understand it (not my belief, but its essentially what he said)

Prestor Jon wrote:

True. There's also the fact that local and state govt actually have the power to address and rectify problems with the police departments they oversee. New laws/regulations can be passed to increase the usage of body cameras, police training and procedures, community outreach, transparency, the publicizing of data, establishing third party oversight and increasing accountability, etc. therefore it makes sense to have protests directed to motivate that kind of political action. In regards to black on black crime it's much harder to resolve the causes behind the problem with new laws or govt action.

All of Which Dallas had done and yet the hate was so much someone decided to kill some of them, also as to body cameras evidently not so reliable (Baton Rouge cops "Claimed" theirs fell off during scuffle).

The hate was from one individual. The murderer hates cops, lived in Texas so he shot cops in Texas. If the murderwr was in a different state he would have shot cops there. I think the Dallas PD was a target of opportunity not the target of a specific grudge.

 d-usa wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Asterios wrote:


problem with that cartoon is if my neighbor's house was on fire and mine was in danger I would have been spraying both houses, but thats me.

"That is completely outside the analogy."

Personally, when we respond to a Code Blue at work, I usually switch CPR between the guy without a pulse and the guy with a pulse. Just in case, you know?

but what if you have 2 guys without a pulse? and you are the only one to give CPR too?

Prestor Jon wrote:

The murderer hates cops, lived in Texas so he shot cops in Texas. If the murderwr was in a different state he would have shot cops there. I think the Dallas PD was a target of opportunity not the target of a specific grudge.

Totally agree.

I think it's similar to Orlando, which was picked because the guy lived in Orlando. Or San Bernardino, which was picked because the guy worked in San Bernardino.

 d-usa wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

The murderer hates cops, lived in Texas so he shot cops in Texas. If the murderwr was in a different state he would have shot cops there. I think the Dallas PD was a target of opportunity not the target of a specific grudge.

Totally agree.

I think it's similar to Orlando, which was picked because the guy lived in Orlando. Or San Bernardino, which was picked because the guy worked in San Bernardino.

what about the guy who tried to kill Trump?

Asterios wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

Asterios wrote:


problem with that cartoon is if my neighbor's house was on fire and mine was in danger I would have been spraying both houses, but thats me.

"That is completely outside the analogy."

Personally, when we respond to a Code Blue at work, I usually switch CPR between the guy without a pulse and the guy with a pulse. Just in case, you know?

but what if you have 2 guys without a pulse? and you are the only one to give CPR too?

Then I find two more people with a pulse and divide my attention between all four of them of course.

If there are two strawmen, which one do you keep on stuffing?


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Asterios wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

The murderer hates cops, lived in Texas so he shot cops in Texas. If the murderwr was in a different state he would have shot cops there. I think the Dallas PD was a target of opportunity not the target of a specific grudge.

Totally agree.

I think it's similar to Orlando, which was picked because the guy lived in Orlando. Or San Bernardino, which was picked because the guy worked in San Bernardino.

what about the guy who tried to kill Trump?

Explain how this is relevant, and I might humor myself to type a response that will get nowhere.

Asterios wrote:


but what if you have 2 guys without a pulse? and you are the only one to give CPR too?

That is also completely outside the analogy.

The problem with that cartoon is the standard knee jerk reaction. real life example. When a Soldier gets a DUI/DWI the entire platoon is brought in, talked to about the dangers of drunk driving, has their weekend ruined, has to hear more and more talk about alcohol abuse and the truth is 1 out of 50ish personnel did something stupid. Instead of doing battle drills, or working on equipment promoting readiness to do our job, we are hearing about this one incident, so it makes it see like all other issues are not as important.

Black lives do matter, but so do all. When you start only talking about black lives, you insinuate that none of the others matter as much. I think a more appropriate statement would be, black lives have the same worth as all other lives.

This is I think the main kick back for the slogan and movement. Regardless of anyone spins this movement, the insinuation is there.

 redleger wrote:
The problem with that cartoon is the standard knee jerk reaction. real life example. When a Soldier gets a DUI/DWI the entire platoon is brought in, talked to about the dangers of drunk driving, has their weekend ruined, has to hear more and more talk about alcohol abuse and the truth is 1 out of 50ish personnel did something stupid. Instead of doing battle drills, or working on equipment promoting readiness to do our job, we are hearing about this one incident, so it makes it see like all other issues are not as important.

Black lives do matter, but so do all. When you start only talking about black lives, you insinuate that none of the others matter as much. I think a more appropriate statement would be, black lives have the same worth as all other lives.

This is I think the main kick back for the slogan and movement. Regardless of anyone spins this movement, the insinuation is there.

No. That is not insinuated at all. The whole movement is because certain people act as though black lives don't matter and that racism doesn't exist any more.

It's sad that people need to be reminded that black lives matter.

Jokes aside, there are differences in many areas, in how police deal with minorities (this includes poor people in general) vs. other groups. On a larger scale, we have a training issue in how police interact in general. )

They have been taught-control the situation, and to escalate measures to retain control. That is the general culture.
They have not been taught a de-escalation culture, that may be seen in several countries in Europe.

This culture needs to be changed, while retaining the training and equipment for dealing with armed persons, cartels, postal agents...the usual dangerous criminals.

OT but there is a good bit of internal blowback at the NRA for not standing up more quickly for the CHLer in Minnesota.

 redleger wrote:
The problem with that cartoon is the standard knee jerk reaction. real life example. When a Soldier gets a DUI/DWI the entire platoon is brought in, talked to about the dangers of drunk driving, has their weekend ruined, has to hear more and more talk about alcohol abuse and the truth is 1 out of 50ish personnel did something stupid. Instead of doing battle drills, or working on equipment promoting readiness to do our job, we are hearing about this one incident, so it makes it see like all other issues are not as important.

Black lives do matter, but so do all. When you start only talking about black lives, you insinuate that none of the others matter as much. I think a more appropriate statement would be, black lives have the same worth as all other lives.

This is I think the main kick back for the slogan and movement. Regardless of anyone spins this movement, the insinuation is there.

I agree. The issue is entirely more complex/nuanced than a meme or pithy comment from either side of the argument can portray.

Here's some data (source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.954a32610d71)

According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

Even this data doesn't take a great deal into consideration. Here's some more information to consider (source: http://crimeresearch.org/2014/10/inflammatory-and-misleading-claims-about-black-teens-being-vastly-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-police-than-whites-even-after-adjusting-for-crime-rates/)

If you look at offender data and assume that 92 percent of murders are committed by males, you find that young black males were about 8 times more likely to commit murders than similarly aged white males. However, a lot of murders occur where the offender isn’t identified and that this problem is greater for gang related murders. To try to deal with this, we have made some calculations using victim data. Adjusting the data by the rate that blacks and whites kill members of their own and other races, young black males were 9 times more likely to commit murders than similarly aged white males.

Of course both sources above are going to be using the same type (though not same period) data and will be pulling specific information out that lends credibility to their arguments. An African-American person is 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a White person. Contrast that statement with the data that shows African-American men are 9 times more likely than their White peers to commit murders or other violent offenses.

You can also look at the populations of the communities and their related racial diversity; an argument could be said that if the population is majority xRace that the likelihood of a negative experience with the police will be proportionally higher in that community. There are real issues with profiling in some communities in the US but I'd argue that profiling is less of a concern when the majority of a community is one race or another. An African-American person is more likely to be pulled-over by the police in Ferguson with a 67.4% African-American population than one of the few other races on the street, all things being equal.

It's very easy to over-simplify situations and data when the real issues are much more nuanced and not nearly as clean as what pundits would have you think. Does this mean that there aren't potential abuses, weaknesses, etc? No. But assuming there are based upon isolated incidents is also wrong. Let's look at Minnesota; in 2015 13 people were killed by police in the entire state. Of these 13, 9 had a history of mental illness. I could just as readily remove race completely from the equation and state that mentally ill people are much more likely to be killed by police than any race/ethnic category and therefor "Crazy Lives Matter"(tm) should be the major discussion.

Also, this data fails to look at the vast majority of traffic stops that do not end in a police shooting or necessarily any confrontation, violence whatsoever;but hey, that doesn't generate ratings.

Data can be skewed to narrate any story that you want to tell. I'm not saying that discussions on race relations don't have merit; just that it's easy for people with an agenda to create drama in greater proportion than the problem.

Here is Castile's (The Victims) police records:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_SHOOTING_MINNESOTA_TRAFFIC_STOPS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- When Philando Castile saw the flashing lights in his rearview mirror, it wasn't unusual. He had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years in and around the Twin Cities and given citations for minor offenses including speeding, driving without a muffler and not wearing a seat belt.

He was assessed at least $6,588 in fines and fees, although more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed, court records show.

Sounds like more "Broken Windows" related nonsense to me.

Also: Regarding his CCP

http://www.startribune.com/philando-castile-had-permit-to-carry-gun/386054481/

Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.

Although the names of gun permit holders are not public under state law, a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale.

Robbinsdale is another nearby community on the outskirts of the Twin Cities that is in a different county than St. Paul/Falcon Heights where Castile was shot.

Thing I don't like about those numbers is they don't take account of who was aggressive towards police or unarmed or such, since if you have 10 black people killed by police and yet those 10 black people were armed and trying to shoot the police, and yet only one white guy was killed by police who was trying to kill them, does it indicate the police are out to get black people? or could it be the other way around? I mean look at what we see on the news and such, already several times this year black people were killed by cops, but we have only heard of very few of them a small drop in the bucket, why is that? with social media prevalant you think we would have heard of more then a handful of them, and then there was the last black guy killed by police, should he be included in the numbers? after all he killed 5 cops injured several more, problem is nobodies stats takes into account that.

Asterios wrote:
Thing I don't like about those numbers is they don't take account of who was aggressive towards police or unarmed or such, since if you have 10 black people killed by police and yet those 10 black people were armed and trying to shoot the police, and yet only one white guy was killed by police who was trying to kill them, does it indicate the police are out to get black people? or could it be the other way around? I mean look at what we see on the news and such, already several times this year black people were killed by cops, but we have only heard of very few of them a small drop in the bucket, why is that? with social media prevalant you think we would have heard of more then a handful of them, and then there was the last black guy killed by police, should he be included in the numbers? after all he killed 5 cops injured several more, problem is nobodies stats takes into account that.

Here is an interesting article that touches on the subject, specifically racial bias in police shootings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

Surprising New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

Lots of charts and graphics to show what the author has uncovered.

Asterios wrote:
Thing I don't like about those numbers is they don't take account of who was aggressive towards police or unarmed or such, since if you have 10 black people killed by police and yet those 10 black people were armed and trying to shoot the police, and yet only one white guy was killed by police who was trying to kill them, does it indicate the police are out to get black people? or could it be the other way around? I mean look at what we see on the news and such, already several times this year black people were killed by cops, but we have only heard of very few of them a small drop in the bucket, why is that? with social media prevalant you think we would have heard of more then a handful of them, and then there was the last black guy killed by police, should he be included in the numbers? after all he killed 5 cops injured several more, problem is nobodies stats takes into account that.

The FBI tracks data on officers who are killed. The Washington Post keeps a data base on citizens who are killed by officers.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/officers-feloniously-killed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

Of the 990 people killed by police in 2015, 730 of them were actively attacking the officer(s). 782 were in possession of a deadly weapon.
By Race.
494 were white, of these 394 (79.76%) were attacking the officer.
258 were black, of these 183 (70.93%) were attacking the officer.

Using just surface data, there's no real correlation between race and aggressive behavior towards police. Anecdotally, I think there's a strong correlation between location and police shootings. Washington Post's data engine isn't granular enough to differentiate between urban areas but if someone were interested enough, they have each case listed and the interested party could look at each individual event and create a statistic for urban vs suburban/rural.

Pertinent to this case. In 2015, 12 people were killed by the police, 8 white, 3 black and 1 "other" in Minn. If you look at census data, Minn was 85% white and 6% black. Using the data, about 67% of those killed by police were white and 25% were black; a much higher percentage to population ratio.

Again, this does not take into account related factors such as where the events occurred, backgrounds of those involved, etc. Just bland data that can be skewed to fit one narrative or another if taken by itself.


Edit:

Interestingly, police are much more likely to be killed by a white person.

In 2014, 59 alleged offenders were identified in connection with the 51 law enforcement
officers feloniously killed. Of those offenders, the following characteristics are known:

The average age of the alleged offenders was 31 years old.
The average height was 5 feet 10 inches tall, and the average weight was 180 pounds.
54 of the alleged offenders were male, and 5 were female.
42 of the alleged offenders were white, 13 were black, 2 were American Indian/Alaska Native, 1 was Asian/Pacific Islander, and race was not reported for 1 offender.
50 of the alleged offenders had prior criminal arrests.
11 of the alleged offenders were under judicial supervision at the time of the incidents.
11 of the alleged offenders were under the influence of a controlled substance at the time of the fatal incidents.
2 of the alleged offenders were under the influence of alcohol or were intoxicated at the time of the fatal incidents.

 Breotan wrote:

Asterios wrote:
Thing I don't like about those numbers is they don't take account of who was aggressive towards police or unarmed or such, since if you have 10 black people killed by police and yet those 10 black people were armed and trying to shoot the police, and yet only one white guy was killed by police who was trying to kill them, does it indicate the police are out to get black people? or could it be the other way around? I mean look at what we see on the news and such, already several times this year black people were killed by cops, but we have only heard of very few of them a small drop in the bucket, why is that? with social media prevalant you think we would have heard of more then a handful of them, and then there was the last black guy killed by police, should he be included in the numbers? after all he killed 5 cops injured several more, problem is nobodies stats takes into account that.

Here is an interesting article that touches on the subject, specifically racial bias in police shootings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upshot/surprising-new-evidence-shows-bias-in-police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html?_r=0

Lots of charts and graphics to show what the author has uncovered.

problem is that is in New York city during the time they had that questionable stop/frisk law.

 agnosto wrote:


Of the 990 people killed by police in 2015, 730 of them were actively attacking the officer(s). 782 were in possession of a deadly weapon.
By Race.
494 were white, of these 394 (79.76%) were attacking the officer.
258 were black, of these 183 (70.93%) were attacking the officer.

so over half were attacking the officers about 70% or so so that means there might not be so much bias as one would think.

I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

 redleger wrote:
I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

That is my take on it. Anytime an innocent life is taken, it is a tragedy. Is it such a problem that it warrants the attention it is getting though? Especially in comparison to some other issues, such as 8% of the population committing something like 52% of all of the murders in the nation?

 redleger wrote:
I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

I'm thinking the all lives matter group is more right then just the Black Lives matter.

but as has been said before numbers can be altered to make it look like anything.

 djones520 wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

That is my take on it. Anytime an innocent life is taken, it is a tragedy. Is it such a problem that it warrants the attention it is getting though? Especially in comparison to some other issues, such as 8% of the population committing something like 52% of all of the murders in the nation?

You seem to be setting this up as an "either or" choice. I say, both. Yes, the taking of innocent life by law enforcement most certainly is worth the attention it is getting. Do other sectors of society need to be held to account as well? Absolutely.

 djones520 wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

That is my take on it. Anytime an innocent life is taken, it is a tragedy. Is it such a problem that it warrants the attention it is getting though? Especially in comparison to some other issues, such as 8% of the population committing something like 52% of all of the murders in the nation?

It certainly is when the life was taken by someone who was supposed to be protecting it.

 Breotan wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

That is my take on it. Anytime an innocent life is taken, it is a tragedy. Is it such a problem that it warrants the attention it is getting though? Especially in comparison to some other issues, such as 8% of the population committing something like 52% of all of the murders in the nation?

You seem to be setting this up as an "either or" choice. I say, both. Yes, the taking of innocent life by law enforcement most certainly is worth the attention it is getting. Do other sectors of society need to be held to account as well? Absolutely.

No, I'm not. I just don't like highlighting smaller issues, and ignoring bigger ones because their "inconvenient". I also have a very strong belief that if we get the bigger issue under control, the smaller issue would greatly drop as well.

It just seems to me, like #BLM is getting a lot of attention. I am not opposed to that. Social change requires getting the attention of lots of people, preferably those in a position to change any policies leading to this.

where is the outcry on #22. The VA is in shambles, vets are homeless, I see no ralies in their name. That is a real statistic, not over inflated, although this year its down to 20 so the VA says, but they are not worth the money they are paid.

Where is the outcry against the Wounded Warrior Program. They fired the CEO, but that doesn't recoup the money embezzled.

Where is the rally against crooks being let off because of their status, while people who have done far less of an offense are hammered like a 2 penny nail.

There are many reasons for outcries of justice, and I believe that they should be heard. But the numbers do not seem to match the attention its getting.

If there is a problem, then lets get to the root and fix it, but it requires BOTH parties to share blame, find common ground, and fix it. I know just because there is a bad shoot doesn't mean the person is racist anymore than when I patrol a foreign neighbor hood and I am weary of locals as they watch us move. Doesn't make me racist, makes me a realist. lets pin the rose where it belongs and maybe quit throwing the R word around just because something bad happens.