Prodos-Ninja Division unpaid games pg 4

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**Nostromodamus**

warboss wrote:
With spikeybits promoting Prodos/Archon's AVP again on youtube, I was curious if any backers here on dakka got the remainder of their pledges since Jan 2018 when Prodos admitted that only 20% of their 2013 AVP kickstarter backers had gotten their pledges in full.

Got the core game and some extras, but am still owed stuff. Doesn’t seem to matter how many emails I send to various addresses I never hear anything back. I think my last interaction with them was them PMing me here on Dakka to ask me to stop talking gak about their shady business.

**angel of death 007**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
angel of death 007 wrote:
I went from backing 1-2 a month to not backing any over the last 4 months or so. Honestly I don't think I will again. It would take a lot to even get me interested in going on the site again.

1 or 2 each month? How much stuff did you get? With that kind of volume, I am sure you would have "enough" pretty quickly as things come in. Then you would naturally be more selective going forward.

I have backed a total of 35 kickstarters to date. Of that 24 have been delivered in entirety. One failed and went crickets .... Angry Mojo with their modular tray system. I lost out on like $100 there. I pledged two additonal not included on this because the company pulled the plug before the kickstarter closed. The ones I have unfulfilled I have a strong belief that they will fulfill. I have backed several after Relic Knights2 but none after relic knights two ghosted and and the rumors started to come out.

Problem I have with it was Ninja Division wasn't a fly by night kinda business so it was why I went in so deep at $400. The models and designs were pretty sweet and they had acutally produced models before (I wasn't in their first Kickstarter). And after having Raging heros fall like 3 years behind before and still fulfill I guess I had too much faith where all I was really worried about was it taking much longer, which is the typical theme of kickstarter.

I got past the first failed one but Relic Knights 2 left me way too sour. In the past two years I easily backed 20+ kickstarters. But all it takes is one really bad apple. I would have to have something I absolutely loved with a company I had a ton of faith in to back another project on Kickstarter.

Manic always does great on theirs, Raging Heroes I would... probably, monoliath are fantastic and I think only do kickstarters now but their work is impressive and they deliever some serious quality. I feel bad because I like to support new companies and designers as they will be the ones hopefully to possibly take GW off their throne one day and bring them back to reality. A company without competition can charge what they want as GW has proven. But it will be very hard now for me to blindly invest as I did before.

I had taken my hobby budget that used to go to GW during 6th and 7th edition 40k and redirected it because those editions were horrible. But with 8th edition and the failing of kickstarter it pulled my funds back to supporting the evil giant of GW. Sad really.

**warboss**

Thanks for all the replies so far from Nostrodamus, Joe Rugby, Dark Severance, and His Master's Voice. It sounds like they might still have some fulfillment issues but maybe less than a year ago with most folks getting them either by paying more for an additional order, bugging them, or saving them money for a service you already paid for like shipping by picking up in person. Still, an improvement is still an improvement; I wonder what percentage still has renaming pledges now. The kickstarter page was false copyright claimed by Prodos themselves years ago so I don't know how/if they send out notifications. There was a Facebook group but numerous reports were that if you asked too much for their liking about your items that you got booted.

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Stormonu wrote:I’m curious too about the Starfinder minis. I’ve seen some ship minis in the local FLGS, was there supposed to be a big line of ships and/or characters?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Was Starfinder any good? Will anything of value be lost?

They're decent scifi minis IMO with an obvious Starfinder theme but can still be used for most generic scifi and scifantasy settings (the latter being a more accurate description for the rules/setting) but definitely nothing mind blowing that'll knock your socks off. You've got traditional d&d stuff like dwarves, dragons, and orcs in space mixed in with typical scifi tropes like bugs, robots, and Roswell greys . Here is the kickstarter all in pledge image. Almost of the drawings had sculpted posted in later updates.

Spoiler:

**firmlog**

I was going to say they look a little cartoony, with that mix of hard scifi. Really nothing pops out and for hard scifi there's lots of other companies doing the same or better.

**CptJake**

Nostromodamus wrote:
warboss wrote:
With spikeybits promoting Prodos/Archon's AVP again on youtube, I was curious if any backers here on dakka got the remainder of their pledges since Jan 2018 when Prodos admitted that only 20% of their 2013 AVP kickstarter backers had gotten their pledges in full.

Got the core game and some extras, but am still owed stuff. Doesn’t seem to matter how many emails I send to various addresses I never hear anything back. I think my last interaction with them was them PMing me here on Dakka to ask me to stop talking gak about their shady business.

I'm still missing a few items as well.

**ced1106**

From the Chronicle X Update (thanks to Dan on the Reaper forums) :

"We at Archon regularly provide production to other companies, but due to payment issues with one such company (Ninja Division) our management was forced to work on plan B to secure the business. The potential loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars, brought about by this undertaking, forced us to slow development on several projects, such as “Call of the Void”. Instead we had to focus on the implementation of new technologies that would allow us to create plastic injection (of a top tier quality) This was to provide us with an additional revenue stream via our services to make up for losses incurred from dealing with Ninja Division. ...

Concerning The Ninja Division kickstarter project “Starfinder”, for those of you who are Archon studio backers and have backed Starfinder, you can contact us here: SF@archon-studio.com we can not promise you anything, as we are currently still in discussions with third parties, but we may have a little something to compensate you for the loss of the project at our own expense."

**nkelsch**

ced1106 wrote:
From the Chronicle X Update (thanks to Dan on the Reaper forums) :

"We at Archon regularly provide production to other companies, but due to payment issues with one such company (Ninja Division) our management was forced to work on plan B to secure the business. The potential loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars, brought about by this undertaking, forced us to slow development on several projects, such as “Call of the Void”. Instead we had to focus on the implementation of new technologies that would allow us to create plastic injection (of a top tier quality) This was to provide us with an additional revenue stream via our services to make up for losses incurred from dealing with Ninja Division. ...

Concerning The Ninja Division kickstarter project “Starfinder”, for those of you who are Archon studio backers and have backed Starfinder, you can contact us here: SF@archon-studio.com we can not promise you anything, as we are currently still in discussions with third parties, but we may have a little something to compensate you for the loss of the project at our own expense."

Sounds like in Archons mind, ND is done, and Archon will never send the minis to ND.

They will either sell the entire batch to paizo to have them deliver if Paizo will pay for all the losses, or failing that, 'box of unsorted miniatures' ship to anyone who contacts them.

This would require ND to either officially give up, or figure out how to start over with a new manufacturer and make all new minis to complete the KS, at ND expense, or Paizo's expense.

**Dark Severance**

Looks like an agreement has been made. Latest post from Starfinder KS:

Project Update #51: Starfinder Masterclass Miniatures by Ninja Division Publishing

Update and production news - Masterclass Miniatures Partnership Evolution

We have some really good news to share about the Starfinder Masterclass miniatures Kickstarter! Paizo is pleased to announce that Archon Studio will be taking over the license to produce Starfinder Masterclass miniatures, formerly produced by Ninja Division. As part of the agreement, Archon will fulfill backer rewards from the Starfinder Masterclass Kickstarter.

About Archon Studio: With their Unicast technology, Archon Studio has published several board games with miniatures, including League of Ancient Defenders, Vanguard of War, and Chronicle X. Recently, Archon Studio advanced its technology to hard plastic, which resulted in even more highly detailed miniatures.

Archon Studio also recently moved into the production of tabletop terrain with Rampart Wargaming. In August this year, its second tabletop terrain project, Dungeons & Lasers, is being launched on Kickstarter.

There are a few areas we want to highlight:

Archon Studio will be producing plastic miniatures instead of resin. They will also be starting over with Kickstarter fulfillment; this means that backers who have already received resin miniatures from Ninja Division will receive those minis again from Archon, this time in plastic.

Archon Studio will be creating all-new Starfinder Masterclass miniatures in addition to those announced by Ninja Division. Each month, Archon Studio plans to produce 4 or 5 of the minis announced during the Kickstarter plus 1 brand-new mini. These minis will be available for sale in your favorite local game store, on paizo.com, and direct from archon-studio.com. (The Kickstarter-exclusive miniatures of Candy, Cola, Seelah the Paladin, and Epic Obazaya will not be available at retail.)

Archon Studio plans to ship Kickstarter rewards in waves. Approximately every 6 months, the pledge rewards produced during the previous 6 months will be shipped to backers free of charge. Additionally, any time a Kickstarter backer purchases any Starfinder mini from Archon Studio—whether that’s a new mini or a duplicate of a Kickstarter mini—they will also ship any released Kickstarter miniatures due to that backer for no additional charge. Details of which minis are shipping when, and how to purchase other miniatures, will be posted on the Kickstarter page.

Archon Studio will be fulfilling backers in Europe, and Ninja Division will be shipping to the rest of the world. Paizo will not have specific answers to fulfillment questions: if you’re a backer with a question about your order, you’ll need to post the question to the Starfinder Masterclass Kickstarter page.

Thanks for all of your patience as we worked with Ninja Division and Archon to get this done. We’re looking forward to some epic minis!

**Nostromodamus**

Two pieces of gak will naturally come together as they go down the toilet.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

well their plastic sprues are decent enough,

we'll just have to see if they can keep doing mould tooling at a high enough rate

since they seem to be intending to have a decently high workload of their own stuff for the various terrain KS, and their own upcoming SF wargame, plus whatever contract work they're taking on (they were advertising it hard at the UK games expo)

**warboss**

Considering that five years after crowdfunding only 1/4 of AVP backers had their complete pledges and only 2/3 had any part iirc from their own update (and many of those were because backers bent over backwards to sweeten the pot by saving Prodos money by picking their pledges up at cons of place additional orders direct) while those same products sat on store shelves for years, I wish Starfinder backers the best of luck. At this point, I'm only interested in picking up a single IS exclusive mini on the secondary market.

**H.B.M.C.**

Still never got any of my AvP stuff. Even when I finally got in contact with them I never got anything.

**Myrthe**

Jeesh, Paizo sure loves getting into bed with desperate, damaged and unreliable crack whores doesn't it ?!!

So Ninja Division is celebrating that they've had a project stripped from them due to their massive incompetence and consider it "good news". Looks pathetic from where I sit and is just one more embarrassment on the pile.

Whatever, I hope it does turn out to be good news for the backers and I hope Archon can follow-through and doesn't leave Paizo with even more egg on their face.

**warboss**

If anyone backed this and wants to recoup some of their money, I'd be interested in buying many of the vesk minis (especially the Epic Obiyaza).

**highlord tamburlaine**

I think it is a good thing though. At least Prodos and Ninja Division are on working terms again, which means we'll see Relic Knights all that much more sooner hopefully.

Most of the renders on the original campaign looked like Prodos renders anyways so perhaps the process will be able to get rolling a bit more quickly than someone else stepping in to resculpt everything.

Those Vesk models are going to be hard to get for reasonable prices I'm afraid- those are the ones I wouldn't mind getting!

Hopefully Prodos is serious about helping get this stuff to retail and allow me to get some space lizards as well.