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Dudeface wrote:

 harlokin wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:


Sorry, but the idea that the Codexes are all written and ready to go is naive at best. They'll be working to a cycle.

And yet, several of the playtesters have said that they are done.

It'll be both I assume, they're likely written but will be given a cycle/staggered release.

Yup, probably. I suppose it also doesn't mean that they won't feel free to mess with the codexes all the way up to release.

At least the rules for them are done. Not all the fluff that goes into them, the translations, the art work, etc.. it takes months to just get the fluff writing and translations done.

 harlokin wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 harlokin wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:


Sorry, but the idea that the Codexes are all written and ready to go is naive at best. They'll be working to a cycle.

And yet, several of the playtesters have said that they are done.

It'll be both I assume, they're likely written but will be given a cycle/staggered release.

Yup, probably. I suppose it also doesn't mean that they won't feel free to mess with the codexes all the way up to release.

I would guess so, they might actually learn something as the edition progresses and tweak things for the unreleased ones to bring things in line (wishful thinking), or they may have new units for the furthest out that don't exist as of yet to test assuming the last one will be 2 years or so out again.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
At least the rules for them are done. Not all the fluff that goes into them, the translations, the art work, etc.. it takes months to just get the fluff writing and translations done.

The translations maybe, but the fluff and artwork have a tendency to be mostly recycled from previous editions.

As far as I'm concerned, until I see proof, the rules for them are about as "done" as the Munitorum Field Manual is. That is - nowhere near Codex standard.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
At least the rules for them are done. Not all the fluff that goes into them, the translations, the art work, etc.. it takes months to just get the fluff writing and translations done.

The translations maybe, but the fluff and artwork have a tendency to be mostly recycled from previous editions.

Having written books for other business and managing that, even using 75% of old material takes a long time b.c its not just rewritting it its everything, book layout, design of pages, where everything goes, proofing, etc..

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
At least the rules for them are done. Not all the fluff that goes into them, the translations, the art work, etc.. it takes months to just get the fluff writing and translations done.

The translations maybe, but the fluff and artwork have a tendency to be mostly recycled from previous editions.

Having written books for other business and managing that, even using 75% of old material takes a long time b.c its not just rewritting it its everything, book layout, design of pages, where everything goes, proofing, etc..

I would like to offer an alternative to GW's pts values, but even just copy-pasting the pts values in Chapter Approved 2019 as a baseline is taking me forever. My fingers got sore from copying the 300 different SM units, not to mention their three hundred pieces of wargear that have pts costs. In a previous project I must have spent a hundred hours because I wanted to change the style I was using for the project, it's a great hassle that gets in the way of good work, while simultaneously being very important. The layout for 7th edition was ghastly, 8th edition is extremely good. Hopefully, 9th will do as good or better, the only real improvement I can see would be having pts on the datasheet, but due to the changing nature of pts these days it can only really be done in the digital books. I doubt that GW spends any great time proofing, given their propensity to leave rather large errors in, Elites turning into troops, models costing ten times what they were supposed to, the wrong Ogryn unit getting a pts increase etc. etc.

 vipoid wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Have to admit, today's community article did give me a giggle. It's basically confirmation that GW recognises Marines dominate the meta.

"If you’re playing Warhammer 40,000, you need a plan to kill Space Marines." ...welp, THERE'S an admission of guilt.

"Sometimes,** Space Marines fight Space Marines. ..............**Pretty often, actually."

These are some evidences GW seems to admit now.
If this lead to some rethinking of Xenos armies, we will see...

Highly unlikely given that most (if not all) of the Xeno books will have been written already.

Well, I fear that this is true.
But GW has shown us some ways to combat 2W Marines:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/01/the-top-9-space-marine-killers/
Not really promising if you ask me.

Field OTHER marines....

What you don't want to play 30k 0.5?


i still like that the chucklefucks put the Helldrake of all things in as an effective marine killer.



that thing is so inneficent

Field OTHER marines....

Other Marines. Then indeed better play 30k.

Marines vs. Marines will get boring.
Xenos is the icing on the cake.

i mean you could play a daemonkin army with the DREADFULL HELLDRAKE, which is a marine killer par excellence....
wait, why are all the Chaos space marine players laughing?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Field OTHER marines....

What you don't want to play 30k 0.5?


i still like that the chucklefucks put the Helldrake of all things in as an effective marine killer.



that thing is so inneficent

its almost like most of articles are written to flog kits to those with poor impulse control and even weaker theory-knowots, shirley not

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Field OTHER marines....

What you don't want to play 30k 0.5?


i still like that the chucklefucks put the Helldrake of all things in as an effective marine killer.



that thing is so inneficent

its almost like most of articles are written to flog kits to those with poor impulse control and even weaker theory-knowots, shirley not

absolutely, but they could've, ya know, atleast tried to make it somewhat ernestly? Considering the satirical angle has slowly eroded away?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Field OTHER marines....

What you don't want to play 30k 0.5?


i still like that the chucklefucks put the Helldrake of all things in as an effective marine killer.



that thing is so inneficent

its almost like most of articles are written to flog kits to those with poor impulse control and even weaker theory-knowots, shirley not

absolutely, but they could've, ya know, atleast tried to make it somewhat ernestly? Considering the satirical angle has slowly eroded away?

To be fair to them a heldrake will very slowly whittle down a unit of intercessors for minimal damage (killing 3 marines on the charge then 2 a turn-ish while taking at most 2 wounds per game round then regenerating one back). Odds of it happening in reality - slim to none, but it's not the most stupid thing they could have picked.

Make the baleflamer 2d6 and the claws ap -2 or -3 and suddenly we're talking though.

Well, Harlies need an ingenious battle plan.
It begins with deployment and movement.
However, I've seen to battle reports on youtube and the would-be pros played like amateurs.

Btw how serious tabletop titans are? Do they actually have a clue or　are they "stompa will be broken good" reece level?

Tt's are ranking harlequins as top at least

tneva82 wrote:
Btw how serious tabletop titans are? Do they actually have a clue or　are they "stompa will be broken good" reece level?

Tt's are ranking harlequins as top at least

Both of them are highly ranking ITC players with several tournament wins under their belts.

And if you've been watching the TTT Tournament, Harlies are looking incredibly dominant but also in the matches they've played there's been some serious misplays/mistakes in deployment on Brian's side of things. However that also shows how well the Clowns can exploit a mistake.

During one of the recent battle reports they also stated that their lists are more on the friendly side and less competitive minded.

Friendly reminder that pointing out mistakes of others is easy from an outside view without having any game pressure or a camera to the face.

Nobody is always playing perfectly.

tneva82 wrote:
Btw how serious tabletop titans are? Do they actually have a clue or　are they "stompa will be broken good" reece level?

Tt's are ranking harlequins as top at least

They are at least approaching top tier. Harlequins are great.

a_typical_hero wrote:
During one of the recent battle reports they also stated that their lists are more on the friendly side and less competitive minded.

Friendly reminder that pointing out mistakes of others is easy from an outside view without having any game pressure or a camera to the face.

Nobody is always playing perfectly.

The Friendly lists I think for most of their battle reports, but for the TT Tournament they are bringing more serious lists.

Another new tournament update and article from Goonhammer here.
The tournament was held sometime during the past week in Sweden and from what I understand had a little under 26 starting players. I've only just started reading through it but thought it might be good to share with others as well.

Edit: Skimmed through, here are the first and second place lists and other interesting things according to the article:

Space Marines - 1st Place


Chaos Daemons - 2nd Place


Blood Angels - Not sure where they placed, but it was in the article so here they are


Grey Knights - Again, not sure where they placed but the article does mentioned that this list went 4-1


Edit 2: Jeez, those 3x3 Eradicators in the BA look fun, same for the WS Bladeguard in Impulsors.

Another new tournament update and article from Goonhammer here.
The tournament was held sometime during the past week in Sweden and from what I understand had a little under 26 starting players. I've only just started reading through it but thought it might be good to share with others as well.

Have a look into 40stats.com:

Varberg GT:

8/29/2020 - 26 Players



Automatically Appended Next Post:
At another tourney,

Vanguard Tactics Grand Series: 8/1/2020 - 30 Players

there was a 4th ranked Harlie army:

4th Place

Matthew Truell - Vanguard Tactics Grand Series


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Harlequins) [103 PL, 1,997pts, -5CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Masque Form: The Soaring Spite: Serpent's Blood

+ Stratagems +

Enigmas of the Black Library (2 Relics) [-3CP]

+ HQ +

Shadowseer [7 PL, 115pts, -1CP]: Hallucinogen Grenade Launcher, Miststave, Player of the Twilight, Shield From Harm, Shuriken Pistol, Smite, Stratagem: Pivotal Role, Twilight Pathways, Veil of Illusion, Warlord, Webway Dance

Troupe Master [4 PL, 70pts]: Choreographer of War, Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades, The Twilight Fang

+ Troops +

Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades

Troupe [5 PL, 125pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades

Troupe [5 PL, 125pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Caress, Plasma Grenades

Troupe [5 PL, 125pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Kiss, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Kiss, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Kiss, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Kiss, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Kiss, Plasma Grenades

Troupe [5 PL, 120pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Embrace, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Embrace, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Embrace, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Embrace, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Embrace, Plasma Grenades

Troupe [5 PL, 95pts]
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades
. Player: Fusion Pistol, Harlequin's Blade, Plasma Grenades

+ Elites +

Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Humbling Cruelty, Shrieker Cannon

Death Jester [3 PL, 50pts]: Cegroach's Lament, Harvester of Torment, Shrieker Cannon, Mythic Role (-1cp included at top of list)

Solitaire [5 PL, 102pts]: Blitz, Cegorach's Rose, Harlequin's Caress, Harlequin's Kiss

+ Fast Attack +

Skyweavers [13 PL, 275pts]
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive

Skyweavers [9 PL, 165pts]
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive

Skyweavers [9 PL, 165pts]
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive
. Skyweaver: Haywire Cannon, Zephyrglaive

+ Dedicated Transport +

Starweaver [5 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon

Starweaver [5 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon

Starweaver [5 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon

Starweaver [5 PL, 80pts]: 2x Shuriken Cannon