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Nothing is original.

But some things are trademarkable.

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 the_scotsman wrote:
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 Nurglitch wrote:
 PondaNagura wrote:
 Theophony wrote:
 Nurglitch wrote:
It's a pity people can't sell non-GW stuff.


It's a Real Pity that people try to push the boundaries so close and use terminology even we armchair quarterbacks know will draw GW's Ire to try and sell their stuff. I'm all for third part works and people doing similar items, but many of these are trying to skirt under the radar and crying when they get called out for it. If they want to ride the coat tails of GW, then they shouldn't be confused or baffled when GW yanks the free ride out from under them.


Oh, I took Nurglitch's post to mean "it's a pity non-GW stuff/original content doesn't sell as well as proxy market does," but maybe I read that wrong.

@PondaNagura: You read that correctly.

Theophony isn't wrong though, as there's certainly more incentive to "skirt under the radar" than there is to produce original work.


People like expanding on a concept that hasn't really been explored by its original author, so sue them. Fanfic is a big thing for a reason. GW's made like 2 very slightly different sculpts in 23 years based on the idea of "heavily armored space elf with a crazy web gun and a spider theme who moves by flickering in and out of portals" I really have nothing against someone who reads the description, looks at the execution and finds it lacking, and feels like they could produce a really cool concept that matches the image in their heads better.

After all, it's not like your game concept is 100% all-original never-been-done-before-ever, I'm guessing you went out to create a game that captures the images in your head of kaiju/mecha combat based on media you've consumed. Creativity builds off others' ideas, it's nothing new.

It's funny you should say that, because my game started off as a second edition of Adeptus Titanicus (1989), literally ripping off GW, on the basis of my intense love for Dan Abnett's novel Titanicus. Certain parts of it still barely have the 'Property of James Workshop' filed off. A decade of development means it's taken on a life of its own though, and seeing the direction GW took with Adeptus Titanicus (2018) is really interesting.

But, as you say, there's nothing 100% all-original. What's interesting is how GW managed to mash up a bunch of tropes, and add time and development to create something so desirable to so many people. It's less a matter of copying GW than success mapping to how closely you copy them, with the closer being the better. There's other factors, like their own directly owned shops, in-house production, economies of scale, and so on (which is why I think would-be Warhammer alternates keeping being created and failing), but it's amazing how well it tracks in terms of widgets (models, etc).

Now that I think about it, I think stuff like the media side of GW (Black Library, White Dwarf, now Warhammer+) help to drive demand, so naturally they're going to drive demand towards their own products, and that demand is going to overflow what GW provides, whether it is in price, weirdly specific niche stuff like Warp Spiders, etc.

   
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Hmm, I think we're now entering the part of the debate in which it's quite obvious that everything is influenced by something else. You might wanna check this out if you have some 37 minutes to spare:



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I think it's less interesting to argue about what a [insert GW product here] is and who 'invented' them than it is to discuss what it is about GW's [insert GW product here] people want that 3rd parties are willing to risk provision.

Edit: I'll add, maybe GW should hand out licenses for miniatures like they hand them out for video games. Have you seen the crap that makes money wrapped in Star Wars or Marvel licensing?

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To me, I think it speaks volumes, and those volumes are full of disappointment, that the third party models in many cases look better than those made by the behemoth that is GW. How much money have they made and yet many of their models are massively dated. They'll come out with new codexes every year but there are almost entire army rosters that haven't had an update aesthetically in forever.

I think protecting your IP is important, but if they are worried about losing business maybe they should step up their game with their models. Beyond the ridiculous prices for many of the kits, I wouldn't be looking elsewhere if the models - beastmen as an example- weren't so lackluster and horrible.

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Reading this thread, I am certain to spend less money on gw products and to most actively source third party minis going forward. Just, awful. Gw could be a beacon… now a pariah imho. And expanding their hiring of people whose sole job is to police such ip infringement. Yeah… I am no longer a fan, not of this corporation.

   
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 jeff white wrote:
Reading this thread, I am certain to spend less money on gw products and to most actively source third party minis going forward. Just, awful. Gw could be a beacon… now a pariah imho. And expanding their hiring of people whose sole job is to police such ip infringement. Yeah… I am no longer a fan, not of this corporation.


I don't disagree with their business practices of going after copyright infringement. To a certain extent. When it's clearly reaching it's obviously immoral for them to strike people that are clearly not infringing on their property. I would like to note that the majority of copyright claims GW I have seen made are reasonable infringements on their copy righted works. And I'm not a huge fan of the entitlement surrounding copyright infringement, and the community at large supporting it simply because GW is a corporation. Some producers get excessively close to the line where it's questionable or outright is copyright infringement and the community defends it. We have laws for a reason. But there are some specific examples of it being over reach. So Yes GW kind of sucks. And I will never buy one of their products again, like many other people I know.

I also loathe everything else they have done and lack of morality, and possibly breaking the laws with unreasonable allegedly unlawful NDAs and such. How they've treated creators online such as youtube and their recent pandering, tokenism, and ideological leanings. "Warhammer is for everyone" Except if you disagree or believe in diversity of ideas, over collectivist rhetoric.
GW is likely just trying to soak every ounce of profit they can squeeze before they sell the company, or it collapses. I can't imagine current events have made it easy for them to maintain making and shipping physical products.

I will vote with my wallet on this one. I will never buy a GW product again. I won't buy a Wizards of the Cost product again either. And I stick to my guns. There are sooo many other options to get miniatures to paint or play with.

Saga.

Bolt Action

A bunch of really cool samurai games

Frost Grave and Stargrave

One Page Rules tho I much rather play complex rules. But just knowing other options exist it's great.

GW yes has the lore and cool miniatures. But as soon as they started making games for everyone and dumbing down the rules making it less complex and more infantile I stopped playing games and switched to painting. The reason I used to love 40k and Fantasy was that it was trying to mimic the complexity of a battlefield, and not just a glorified card game with miniatures that just happen to be there. That combined with them starting attacking the fans I stopped buying models to paint, stopped buying paint from them.

I now exclusively use other brands. Like P3 and vallejo paints. GW lost the plot. So much so that It inspired me to make my own games. If I really want to paint GW models I can strip my old armies and repaint. It's not hard. But I have zero interest in playing an infantile version of the 40k / Fantasy that I grew up with.

And I will rather take a punch in the gut than support GW moving forward, Because of their attitude towards fans.



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 Nurglitch wrote:
I think it's less interesting to argue about what a [insert GW product here] is and who 'invented' them than it is to discuss what it is about GW's [insert GW product here] people want that 3rd parties are willing to risk provision.

Edit: I'll add, maybe GW should hand out licenses for miniatures like they hand them out for video games. Have you seen the crap that makes money wrapped in Star Wars or Marvel licensing?


This isn't a bad idea.

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I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say for sure what's considered copyright infringement and what's not... but let's remember the Battletech case and that it has been dismissed with prejudice.

So these, for example, are not copyright infringement:

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 Albertorius wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say for sure what's considered copyright infringement and what's not... but let's remember the Battletech case and that it has been dismissed with prejudice.

So these, for example, are not copyright infringement:

Spoiler:







I would say it really depends on the judge/court/law etc and what country you're in. I would argue the above four images are copyright infringement or intellectual property theft, or even trademark infringement. There is a case to be made here..

If the judges throw out case it can be appealed.

But what a lot of people fail to ask is it Moral to steal the spirt of someone else design and call it your own? Are you not taking away from the creators ideas profits or sales? This is something we should be asking.

The Community is at large already fully or mostly in support of not offending people for any number of reasons. Is the idea of deliberately trying to profit off of someones ideas considered offensive? Should we ignore one version of offensive and care deeply about the other?

All I know is that small creators could end being the target of this kind of immoral behavior. Maybe it won't be today but it can happen.

Just because it's skirting what copyright infringement is, is it morally right to allow it to happen. I would say it's immoral. Do we justify being immoral because we think a company is immoral? I think that can lead to a slippery slope.

It's similar to the broken window syndrome. Person sees a broken window, and thinks hey this place is crap might as well break the other window. Another person comes along and sees the broken window and spray paints some profanity etc..

Should we encourage immoral behavior or defend creators that are clearly trying to skirt the law in order to profit off of others work? Questions we should be asking the community at large.

I have personally made my choice not to support GW again. But I don't think we should encourage theft, stealing ideas from others regardless if it's questionably legal or not. It's a difficult subject to really pin down.

Let's jut say someone make a samurai miniature or a cyber samurai mini or a steam punk samurai mini and they all are 28mm heroic scale and nearly identical looking armor with small variations? Are the creators trying to steal? Probably not Samurai are historical figures.

A space marine chaplain with skulls and power armor, vented back pack and 40k style iconography ... That's outright trying to steal. Even if it's protected under the law. So the question really boils down to morality?

Is it moral? Should we as a community continue to support it?




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Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say for sure what's considered copyright infringement and what's not... but let's remember the Battletech case and that it has been dismissed with prejudice.

So these, for example, are not copyright infringement:

Spoiler:







I would say it really depends on the judge/court/law etc and what country you're in. I would argue the above four images are copyright infringement or intellectual property theft, or even trademark infringement. There is a case to be made here..

If the judges throw out case it can be appealed.

I quoted those explicitly because they were involved in multiple years-long lawsuits, and after several appeals, the judges ended up ruling that it was not infringment, and repealed the lawsuit with prejudice, meaning the decision is completely final and no open to any further appeals or new lawsuits for related items.

For more information, just follow the link:

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

On March 1st 2017, Harmony Gold filed lawsuit against Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games Interactive, and Harebrained Schemes over the use of not only the four redesigned Unseen mechs, but also the Atlas and the Shadowhawk in the case of Harebrained Schemes' Battletech videogame. Catalyst Game Labs defaulted on the lawsuit, while the case against Harebrained Schemes over the Atlas, Shadowhawk, and Locust was dismissed with prejudice on April 9 2018. This still left the unseen mechs as part of the lawsuit that would still affect Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games Interactive, and Harebrained Schemes. After taking the copyright-trolling threats by Harmony Gold head-on, Piranha Games Interactive did not back down and in the end managed to have the case dismissed with prejudice and Harmony Gold agreeing to an undisclosed settlement that demonstratively allowed PGI, Catalyst Game Labs, and Harebrained Schemes to continue the use of the redesigned Unseen mechs. Harebrained Schemes would later re-introduce the redesigned Unseen mechs in the Heavy Metal expansion pack in 2019 and Catalyst Game Labs accompanied their public announcement about the case's dismissal with a large artwork of the redesigned Marauder by the artist Marco Mazzoni.


As to morality and copyright law themselves... well, it's complicated, but I've always found that the laws are supposed to help the little guy but always, without fail, end up helping the big corporate fish.

Ad when you have GW C&Ding small fish for skirting too near their stuff, but at the same time they release an IG mini thinly veiled cosplaying as a character from Predator, well...

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 Albertorius wrote:
Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say for sure what's considered copyright infringement and what's not... but let's remember the Battletech case and that it has been dismissed with prejudice.

So these, for example, are not copyright infringement:

Spoiler:







I would say it really depends on the judge/court/law etc and what country you're in. I would argue the above four images are copyright infringement or intellectual property theft, or even trademark infringement. There is a case to be made here..

If the judges throw out case it can be appealed.

I quoted those explicitly because they were involved in multiple years-long lawsuits, and after several appeals, the judges ended up ruling that it was not infringment, and repealed the lawsuit with prejudice, meaning the decision is completely final and no open to any further appeals or new lawsuits for related items.

For more information, just follow the link:

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

On March 1st 2017, Harmony Gold filed lawsuit against Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games Interactive, and Harebrained Schemes over the use of not only the four redesigned Unseen mechs, but also the Atlas and the Shadowhawk in the case of Harebrained Schemes' Battletech videogame. Catalyst Game Labs defaulted on the lawsuit, while the case against Harebrained Schemes over the Atlas, Shadowhawk, and Locust was dismissed with prejudice on April 9 2018. This still left the unseen mechs as part of the lawsuit that would still affect Catalyst Game Labs, Piranha Games Interactive, and Harebrained Schemes. After taking the copyright-trolling threats by Harmony Gold head-on, Piranha Games Interactive did not back down and in the end managed to have the case dismissed with prejudice and Harmony Gold agreeing to an undisclosed settlement that demonstratively allowed PGI, Catalyst Game Labs, and Harebrained Schemes to continue the use of the redesigned Unseen mechs. Harebrained Schemes would later re-introduce the redesigned Unseen mechs in the Heavy Metal expansion pack in 2019 and Catalyst Game Labs accompanied their public announcement about the case's dismissal with a large artwork of the redesigned Marauder by the artist Marco Mazzoni.


As to morality and copyright law themselves... well, it's complicated, but I've always found that the laws are supposed to help the little guy but always, without fail, end up helping the big corporate fish.

Ad when you have GW C&Ding small fish for skirting too near their stuff, but at the same time they release an IG mini thinly veiled cosplaying as a character from Predator, well...


It can't be argued that GW is a terrible company. But should that justify the community supporting idea theft, ripping them off? No. And for the same reason I would not like it a small independent creator being ripped off. It is still theft. And it is still Immoral. Regardless if it's barely legal.

That's for others to decide for themselves of course where the line is. But what happens when GW goes under? We justify allowing the little guys to be targeted? And as for laws always only helping the corperations, that's not always the case.

Are cooperation's inherently evil? No it depends on the company. Does it make it okay because GW is a crappy company? No GW has to employee people that made the choice of wanting to be there and may not be directly contributing to the companies board terrible ideas.

Losses in sales translate to job losses, pay cuts etc.

So I personally am not really a fan of the community's turning a blind eye to what is essentially trying to steal art. If we switch to a different medium like comics, or original characters there are a lot of people that get upset? Why are miniatures different? But that's my personal take on it.

Everyone is allowed to come up with their own ideas and thoughts.

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I'm pretty interested in seeing what HG thought that the Atlas was ripping off.

   
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 Nurglitch wrote:
I'm pretty interested in seeing what HG thought that the Atlas was ripping off.


Their lawyers.
   
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Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
Are corporations inherently evil? No it depends on the company. Does it make it okay because GW is a crappy company? No GW has to employee people that made the choice of wanting to be there and may not be directly contributing to the companies board terrible ideas.


They kinda are, actually. They are, quite literally, amoral artificail beings whose only god is the baseline. They will, and they have, literally do anything to that end, without any second mind to whatever other interest.

Sometime to that end they need to toe the line of some "good" goal. But most of the time, they don't.

The current flurry of C&Ds is the way the GW corporation has of saying, "oh, hey, that might hurt my baseline someday, let's kill it". Sometimes that is caused by stuff that skirts too much the line with their IP. Sometimes it isn't.
   
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So Cults3d seems to have been hit hard, the 40k tag went down to just 4 pages of results.

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In time people will learn that using GW terms can't be done and they will just steadily shift to consumer accepted alternate names.

It will likely take a while before there are generally agreed upon terms in use but "Sisters of Battle" might become "Battle Nuns" for example. Everyone will use the same listing; everyone will "know what it means" within the community (and will share the meaning with others) and it will be safe from GW's marketing so long as the sculpt isn't infringing.

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Battle Sisters is the non GW term for Adeptus Sororita

No excuse for those being stupid (or greedy) enough to use the original GW term to push sales

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
So Cults3d seems to have been hit hard, the 40k tag went down to just 4 pages of results.


The more bizare thing is how much they missed. So many of them are still up, if you know where to look. I spent an afternoon about a month ago scraping everything free and worthwhile I could find off Cults - it looks like that was a decent time investment after all. I may start purchasing models in bulk soon too - I doubt it'll be long before GW crushes what's left. 80% of it will spring back up again each time, but that always leaves 20% of it unobtainable going forwards.

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 Albertorius wrote:
Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
Are corporations inherently evil? No it depends on the company. Does it make it okay because GW is a crappy company? No GW has to employee people that made the choice of wanting to be there and may not be directly contributing to the companies board terrible ideas.


They kinda are, actually. They are, quite literally, amoral artificail beings whose only god is the baseline. They will, and they have, literally do anything to that end, without any second mind to whatever other interest.

Sometime to that end they need to toe the line of some "good" goal. But most of the time, they don't.

The current flurry of C&Ds is the way the GW corporation has of saying, "oh, hey, that might hurt my baseline someday, let's kill it". Sometimes that is caused by stuff that skirts too much the line with their IP. Sometimes it isn't.



Is it okay if I bring up a counterpoint.. I hope you don't find it off-putting or a personal attack. It's simply a counterpoint. But I don't consider Telsa or Elon Musk to be evil. And there are many others of course.



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 Overread wrote:
In time people will learn that using GW terms can't be done and they will just steadily shift to consumer accepted alternate names.

It will likely take a while before there are generally agreed upon terms in use but "Sisters of Battle" might become "Battle Nuns" for example. Everyone will use the same listing; everyone will "know what it means" within the community (and will share the meaning with others) and it will be safe from GW's marketing so long as the sculpt isn't infringing.


This has already happened. There are a handful of commonly used phrases that won't show up in a standard search, and most of them are still up, I believe.

It's a bit like fighting copyright on youtube. GW will stomp onto Cults once every month or two and remove a pile of files. Some will come back, some won't. But new ones will pop up in their place. The people sitting in the law office on Lenton Lane aren't paid enough or community savvy enough to get everything and hold it down indefinitely.

They also face the challenge now of dealing with communities which store files beyond their reach, like on Telegram. It's all very well and good to squash listings on websites which are legally reachable and sanctionable; it's another kettle of a fish altogether when dealing with encrypted international messaging services which don't give a damn how many lawyers you have.

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Aye, however if GW can keep a general lid on the casual areas of the net they will at least feel like new generations of gamers and new customers and potential customers aren't being led too far astray from the GW ecosystem.


Plus I think at some stage (and it might not actually be that long away) 3D Designers will shift away from 40K themes. At some stage the market will reach a saturation point and designers themselves will hit burn out points where they just don't want to make another marine; or where there are so many good options out there that, within the active 3D print market, they can't find a niche.

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Bayonet&Ricochet wrote:
Is it okay if I bring up a counterpoint.. I hope you don't find it off-putting or a personal attack. It's simply a counterpoint. But I don't consider Telsa or Elon Musk to be evil. And there are many others of course.

Yeah, no problem.

I'd argue that Telsa is more Elon Musk than Tesla, at this point in time... and even so, many of Elon Musk's personal beliefs I find appalingly bad, like his plan of making Mars a corpo state (not that Amazon isn't trying to do the very same here on Earth resurrecting the company towns).

But to each their own, I was actually coming from the current legal definition of a corporation being a singular being.

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 Overread wrote:

Plus I think at some stage (and it might not actually be that long away) 3D Designers will shift away from 40K themes. At some stage the market will reach a saturation point and designers themselves will hit burn out points where they just don't want to make another marine; or where there are so many good options out there that, within the active 3D print market, they can't find a niche.


I hope so, for ages Print Minis did the only decent independent sci-fi out there. Now Loot studios has switched across too.



Don't get me wrong, I like my GW proxies as much as the next gamer, but it is nice to see something both original and competently executed.

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Agreed!

However I think after that we need one more thing which is again slowly happening but hasn't caught steam just yet and that is universal rules.


Right now 40K and DnD are the big proxy target markets for many games. Outside of those niches models being made can have artistic and creative appeal*, however functionality for gamers is more niche. Not everyone doing alternate designs makes them compatible with the GW rules system (ergo the army is unique but modelled after the options and sizes for an existing army); and many other established games are much smaller.

GW is not really harmed by 3D printing at the large scale GW does business; but many of the smaller firms would be hard pressed to compete with an active 3D print industry. Indeed it might even force many to abandon notions of free rules systems and to fall back on them as a core profit point if they suddenly lose significant model income to the 3D print market (remembering that its not just those who own a 3D printer, merchants can make and sell printed models as well).


That said if a universal sci-fi rules system arose that you could easily drop almost any crafted army into and play and have, at the very least, fun - now that might be a powerful thing that could drive sales of creative 3D prints. Same for fantasy.

Space already has a Billion Suns that seems to be trying to fill that void. I could well see other areas arise as well; at least once we are past the "hump" of GW being the major target focus.

RPG games will also be a huge growth area as they are a perfect drop in anything system. Indeed its a market that cries out for unique and new designs for a new campaign and hasn't got the same burdens of building forces as a wargame does. A wargamer wants years of play out of one army; an RPG player is happy if their white dragon sees the board one or two evenings and might never again arise. Some might even buy, print, paint and have models on the shelf that never get seen because the campaign goes a different direction and they use something else.

The association, connection and such are different in the different markets.


*indeed I see the boutique painting market being grown significantly with 3D printing. Shifting it from super expensive designer models that cost £100s per model and are often limited production; into something that's much more accessible and has less limited runs because they sell the STL. Plus when you've STLs you can just "print another" so it might encourage far more to take up that area of model hobbying.

I know GW puts big stock in that being a core market for them, but at the same time I think AoS proved that even if people never game with their models (or only game outside of GW stores and clubs where GW can't monitor the data); the "potential" to play with them is a clear driver for many

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Here’s the thing though: everybody says they want a completely new universe, but no one is willing to buy it. So yah, it kinda works discouraging…

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 Ketara wrote:
 Overread wrote:

Plus I think at some stage (and it might not actually be that long away) 3D Designers will shift away from 40K themes. At some stage the market will reach a saturation point and designers themselves will hit burn out points where they just don't want to make another marine; or where there are so many good options out there that, within the active 3D print market, they can't find a niche.


I hope so, for ages Print Minis did the only decent independent sci-fi out there. Now Loot studios has switched across too.



Don't get me wrong, I like my GW proxies as much as the next gamer, but it is nice to see something both original and competently executed.


And whose models are those?

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 Overread wrote:

Plus I think at some stage (and it might not actually be that long away) 3D Designers will shift away from 40K themes. At some stage the market will reach a saturation point and designers themselves will hit burn out points where they just don't want to make another marine; or where there are so many good options out there that, within the active 3D print market, they can't find a niche.


I hope so, for ages Print Minis did the only decent independent sci-fi out there. Now Loot studios has switched across too.



Don't get me wrong, I like my GW proxies as much as the next gamer, but it is nice to see something both original and competently executed.


And whose models are those?


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It's a pity people can't sell non-GW stuff.


That's only partially true, I think, as there are lots of designers that don't do GW stuff (like, for example, Artisan Guild) that are doing very well for themselves.

...of course, that usually mean D&D proxies.


Hasbro seems way less sue-happy than GW.


Why bother suing when you have the power to get the Chinese government to send police in force to shut down knock-off factories for you?


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I'll note that while the above is an actual thing that happened, the factory in question was producing exact copy knock offs. Hasbro is VERY aware of what's referred to as "Third Party Transformers"(a much closer analogy to what we're discussing in this thread) which are very much copies of their art designs with original sculpting and engineering and/or upgrade kits for official toys and have so far only gone as far as to ban them from sale at later BotCons(and even then only 2-3 years of the convention).

100% accurate depiction of those years:

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As to morality and copyright law themselves... well, it's complicated, but I've always found that the laws are supposed to help the little guy but always, without fail, end up helping the big corporate fish.

Ad when you have GW C&Ding small fish for skirting too near their stuff, but at the same time they release an IG mini thinly veiled cosplaying as a character from Predator, well...

Exactly.

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