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2026/03/09 10:15:24
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
Could also be that the Star Wars licence is quite pricey, so it’s in a weird spot for games. I would be curious if marvel licence is similar or not.
Cool to hear that x-wing can still get numbers like that also, here it was basically me and a handful of players on occasions. Never got to go to any event of noticeable size.
2026/03/09 10:19:11
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
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lord_blackfang wrote: I'm actually fine with games dying. Your miniatures are forever, but at some point it's not sustainable to keep gak on the shelves on the off chance someone new will join up, when most potential customers already own everything, and new additions make the game worse, not better.
X-wing had a great run, let it be. I'd love for the flight path system to return somewhere else, how about a Wing Commander license?
Guess I’m just bummed it was killed off so unceremoniously.
And hey, it had probably the best pre-assembled, pre-painted detailed miniatures I’ve ever encountered. Yes, even better than Armada, where my first contact was at a pretty grotty weekend Con in a caravan park, and it was being demoed with what I can only describe as Factory Second models.
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What a hateful video. I should have turned it off as soon as the commenter started talking about "diversity characters". I grew up in what most would call a diverse family, and my own family is even more so, so to me people talking about an international franchise (set in universe of aliens and droids) as having a problem with "diversity characters" immediately raises alarms. To me a world with Latins and Asians is just... my world.
But I carried on. As the narrator blah blahs about never seeing Star Wars stuff on sale before.
Oh my dear sweet summer child.
I remember $1 Star Wars action figure bins around 1985 or 86 after Return of the Jedi was gone and the franchise was joining Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon in the trash heap of history. Had I known those Power of the Force figures with collector coins could be paying for girls' college. Of course had I know I'd have put those dollars into Apple stock, so there we are.
I remember deep discounts around 1999 and 2000 after the Special Editions went their way, and then after Phantom Menace failed to set the world on fire. Still have my 2' Blockade Runner and 2' Star Destroyer from those days. Didn't get the $10 AT-ATs but they tempted me.
More recently I remember wandering Toys R Us and seeing shelves and shelves of unsellable Rogue One toys, 3' Storm Troopers and 3' versions of whatever that reprogrammed droid's name was. Who wanted that? Who had room for that? And Rogue One is the 'good' Disney film.
He blah blahs about people wanting original trilogy toys, which showing video of unsold Return of the Jedi toys, which IIRC is an original trilogy film. Heck my last Star Wars buy is sitting on my desk, it's a diecast Star Destroyer, I got for half price on clearance.
He presents himself as an expert because he buys toys, haunts a local discount store (and is apparently blacklisted for filming it) and read a post somewhere about 50,000 unsold action figures.
He obviously never worked in retail, manufacturing or licensing.
I have.
When a film, TV show, cartoon goes out of rotation the toy/book/comic line drops like a stone. You're trying to sell Valentines chocolates on Feb 15, to sell Christmas decorations on Dec 26. They get discounted, all of them, fast. Check out any discount store and you'll find plenty of stuff from whatever was a hit 2 or 3 years ago. Heck Hanley's and Toys R Us in Egypt and India still had My Little Pony the Movie (2017) stuff on the shelves until recently, obviously overstock from the UK and US they shipped overseas.
This is normal.
Manufacturers overproduce and stores overorder because the unit cost and shipping cost is less than a quarter of the retail price. If they sell like half of what they order they're fine, 100% sell through in toys is a rare chimera, Cabbage Patch Kids madness level stuff. And yeah, sometimes that means stuff sits on shelves until you give up and throw it out. Or ship it to Egypt.
There are serious issues with Disney Star Wars as we can see from how they have scaled back.
But to claim expertise based on nothing and blame 'diversity'?
Fie on him.
Fie.
2026/03/09 12:53:05
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
It doesn't help sales that the 3.5" line is now $20USD a figure due to inflation, double what they were like 10-15 years ago. They went from "I can impulse buy one of those random characters that never got a figure before while I shop for essentials" to "This is serious consideration purchase money".
And that's an industry wide issue, too.
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2026/03/09 13:20:38
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: As a Star Wars Collector? The main problem with the Sequel Trilogy toys is they were a step backward in quality,
Five points of articulation. One or two accessories with no in-built holsters.
Compare to what came immediately before with loads of articulation, removable helmets, holsters and so on.
The value just wasn’t there for many collectors.
That was a different line specifically made for kids, there were Legacy/Black Series Sequel figures on release that had all of that.
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2026/03/09 13:51:05
Subject: Re:SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
Action figures made for kids, when I was young, it was the most popular toy for us to play with, computers and video games were having their first steps so we played a lot with those action figures.
I dont know today the appetite youngsters have for these kind of toys when all is digital for the most part. But collectors and such seem to have exploded, much like Pokemon card thing.
What Im saying is this just a collector market now? and if so does anyone really care about the popularity of licenses between waves of movies/marketing?
NAVARRO wrote: What Im saying is this just a collector market now? and if so does anyone really care about the popularity of licenses between waves of movies/marketing?
Seems a non problem to me.
It is not just a collector thing. Kids do still buy toys, but in general it's stuff like the Jurassic World stuff(because Dinosaurs), super heroes, and properties tied to media the kids enjoy like Mr. Beast, Skibidi Toilet, Five Nights at Freddy's, Disney Princesses, et al. The stuff we grew up with for the most part is bought(or not) by collecting adults.
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2026/03/09 17:09:46
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: As a Star Wars Collector? The main problem with the Sequel Trilogy toys is they were a step backward in quality,
Five points of articulation. One or two accessories with no in-built holsters.
Compare to what came immediately before with loads of articulation, removable helmets, holsters and so on.
The value just wasn’t there for many collectors.
That was a different line specifically made for kids, there were Legacy/Black Series Sequel figures on release that had all of that.
That's true, but the Prequel figures the better articulation and accessories as the standard action line, so it was a step backwards.
Then the lines were split for the Sequels and you had the toy 5POA line and the more expensive highly poseable Black series. Still, the toy 5POA line had good sculpting and the same proportions/size as the more expensive lines so they were compatible visually and on the shelf.
Eventually the "Vintage series" (for those not following, the "Vintage" series were actually well detailed, modern style. "Retro" figures were in the style of the 70's/80's) took over almost everything 3.75" and it seemed like a good comprimise had been reached with $15 highly poseable figures with good accessories. For me $15 was still barely an impulse buy and hence I have alot of them.
Then Hasbro got greedy and bumped that up a couple times over a couple years until we got to $20 figures, and $25 for figures with a few more accessories. They have recently introduced another 5 POA line at a low price point, but the size, proportion and style are different.
Figures that are compatible with what I have are now no longer an impulse buy in regular retail outlets. I'll keep looking at Ross and other outlets, but I'm out at MSRP.
This may be part of the problem. Too many lines, too many scales, I may like Rei or that guy or whasshisname but will I buy him in 3 different lines and 3 different scales?
The last time I legit cared about Star Wars toys (other than "this is both cool and cheap and I need some dopamine now") Regan was in office but at the time and even the likes of Ree Yees sold.
But now there's a 1001 ways to enjoy Star Wars including just calling it up on my phone RIGHT NOW so do I really need a Ree Yees in my pocket?
So I think the idea that wasshisface the major character from that thing with the rocket ships doesn't sell is because he is "diverse" just does not work.
2026/03/09 17:48:05
Subject: Re:SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
Star Wars in particular has become such a focal point for a really awful section of the internet. Honestly they're largely responsible for it not being fun to be a Star Wars fan anymore. I've blocked most Star Wars content these days. It's much easier to enjoy the new shows and games without the algorithm pandering hate.
2026/03/09 18:21:19
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
LunarSol wrote: Star Wars in particular has become such a focal point for a really awful section of the internet. Honestly they're largely responsible for it not being fun to be a Star Wars fan anymore. I've blocked most Star Wars content these days. It's much easier to enjoy the new shows and games without the algorithm pandering hate.
I really like Eckhart's Ladder and Corey's Datapad; you should check them out.
The thing about 40k is that no one person can grasp the fullness of it.
LunarSol wrote: Star Wars in particular has become such a focal point for a really awful section of the internet. Honestly they're largely responsible for it not being fun to be a Star Wars fan anymore. I've blocked most Star Wars content these days. It's much easier to enjoy the new shows and games without the algorithm pandering hate.
I really like Eckhart's Ladder and Corey's Datapad; you should check them out.
Thanks for the suggestions!
2026/03/09 19:13:18
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
It’s hard on YouTube with star wars, it’s even hard talking about it at the shop when you quickly find out half the people haven’t even watched anything star wars in years but have watched a bunch of YouTube about it.
2026/03/10 03:15:24
Subject: Re:SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Thank you, that video really hit me the wrong way
Got about 30 seconds into the video and had massive Déjà vu. He’s been making the same variation of that video for at least 8 years. On one hand, I respect this YouTubers commitment to the bit, on the other hand, find something you enjoy and make videos on that stuff. Probably wouldn’t generate the kind of clicks that doomtubing Disney does though.
With that said, Star Wars does suck more often than not, lately.
Edit: Even one of the recommended channels above is pretty down on Star Wars, judging by some of Echardts ladder video titles, lol
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2026/03/10 04:11:38
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
To bring things closer to the topic, just like I don't 3 different Ree Yees action figures in 3 scales with 3 different levels of articulation and detail...
I also do not need 2 Star Wars mini games in different scales. I want to kit bash with compatible models, I want my terrain to look right, and moving from 28mm to 40mm doesn't really add anything.
GW's 54mm Inquisitor game was basically dead on arrival where I was, except for painting. Even if the rules had been, y'know, good, no one was interested in making new terrain or trying to source 54mm lasguns. Yeah I had one buddy make a 54mm Chimera and full IG squad once the conversion packs were out, but that wasn't to play.
So when GW next did a skirmish/warband game they were sure to do it in 28mm.
Lego Star Wars seems to sell really well, maybe it's just that simple, compatible toys across the line. Who can also team up with Spider Man and Harry Potter to fight Lex Luther and save the Lego Friends pet shop.
2026/03/10 13:05:41
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
I get the impression that it's a requirement that the Expand Universe is off limits. Only characters that have brought back in a slightly different way make an appearance. Disney is morally opposed to giving any money to Timothy Zhan and Alan Dean Foster after all. It's another reason way X-Wing ground to a halt: no reprints of the YT-2400 or the TIE Phantom for you!
2026/03/10 13:33:54
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
lord_blackfang wrote: Yea X-wing had plenty of stuff from the old EU books and the clone wars cartoons even. Including the entire Scum faction.
Clone Wars isn't exactly EU though (or even close to it); the final season was made by (or under) Disney and the showrunner is now the creative head of the whole studio so I doubt it's remotely taboo. Huge chunks of the CIS & GAR models (as well as a lot of Scum as you say) in Legion and Shatterpoint are based on CW content. Unless you mean the Micro-Series of course...
2026/03/10 14:21:48
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
All that stuff predates the Disney acquisition though. I'm not really down on the change, but I'm aware it's INCREDIBLY unlikely to see my beloved HWK show up again any time soon.
2026/03/10 14:56:19
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
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It’s possible there’s been a second license issued. We really don’t know. But I’m not sure anyone would pay for a license which allowed the property owner to just unilaterally alter what is and isn’t covered?
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There was some sort of restriction from Disney/LF at some point over the EU stuff for licensed products. I think that's why we never got TIE Avengers in X-Wing, for example.
It's been gradually eroded as more and more EU stuff appears in more recent Disney shows. I think it's more that they don't want a "new" thing from their shows overshadowed by an appearance in a random miniatures game or video game before they get a chance to do it themselves.
2026/03/10 14:59:31
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
LunarSol wrote: All that stuff predates the Disney acquisition though. I'm not really down on the change, but I'm aware it's INCREDIBLY unlikely to see my beloved HWK show up again any time soon.
It is technically within current canon (they show up on the Marvel Star Wars comics which are valid, if of inconsistent quality).
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Slipspace wrote: There was some sort of restriction from Disney/LF at some point over the EU stuff for licensed products. I think that's why we never got TIE Avengers in X-Wing, for example.
It's been gradually eroded as more and more EU stuff appears in more recent Disney shows. I think it's more that they don't want a "new" thing from their shows overshadowed by an appearance in a random miniatures game or video game before they get a chance to do it themselves.
Funnily enough there are units in Legion that have been made explicitly as original things (on paper) by AMG with LFL approval. The Riot Control Squad, whilst heavily influenced by the riot army troopers from Andor (and the stun-baton wielding scout troopers from Jedi Fallen Order which pre-date them and is its own example of licenced products being allowed some creativity) are, strictly speaking, original creations for the miniature game. There's a unit of Rebel troops coming later in the year which are similar in approach. Fleeting examples but they do happen.
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2026/03/10 17:12:10
Subject: SW Shatterpoint goes the way of X Wing and Armada.
lord_blackfang wrote: Yea X-wing had plenty of stuff from the old EU books and the clone wars cartoons even. Including the entire Scum faction.
Clone Wars isn't exactly EU though (or even close to it); the final season was made by (or under) Disney and the showrunner is now the creative head of the whole studio so I doubt it's remotely taboo. Huge chunks of the CIS & GAR models (as well as a lot of Scum as you say) in Legion and Shatterpoint are based on CW content. Unless you mean the Micro-Series of course...
E wing, K wing, Z-95, YT-2400, TIE defender/advanced/phantom/punisher, Hwk 290, and Star Viper just going off of my memory of both the old EU as well as X-Wing releases but there were probably more. I was very happy they expanded so deep into the EU lore for additional ships once the trilogy ones had models. My only regretis that they never made a TIE Predator.
