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"but does the Fleet rule actually require your unit to have a weapon and forgo shooting?"

It doesn't require them to have a weapon. It just requires them to not be forbidden from shooting one, if they had it.

Still while in an assault, weapon or no weapon, you can't shoot as per the assault rules. because fleet requires that you INSTEAD of shooting a weapon you move d6 inches, the fleet rule doesn't work in assault.

You can't have a scenario if X instead Y if no X variable is present. In this situation X is shooting. While in Assault NO shooting can happen thus the final part of equation "Instead Y" can't be reached.

Posted By Augustus on 08/28/2006 2:13 PM

Unlikely, because non skimmer, slow tanks will have a hard time avoiding their own models, a smart pile in move could easily insulate a unit form asuch an attack, are you sure?

Considering Emperors Children squads are six men, it would be incredibly easy to tank shock a foe in HTH, especialy as most assult units are large in size.

Also, how does death or glory work in assult?

Posted By Oaka on 08/28/2006 10:55 AM

Since they are falling back in the movement phase, they haven't fought in close combat that turn, so you have to count those models that they are in base contact with.  Hence, the unit is destroyed while attempting to fall back.

- Oaka

Well it depends on how you define 'fought'. 

Fought isn't a game defined term. They've been fighting the whole time surely?

It's getting rather deep in here.

Threadromancy!

When I read the thread about the bikes charging multiple targets it brought up a great example where a TS into an ongoing CC would be fairly likely.  In fact, I'm surprised I haven't encountered this more.  Has anyone else?  What if in that example the targets werent Eldar but instead a rhino and a freshly disgrorged chunk of imperial troops immediately adjacent and an (assaulting) attacker had failed to destroy them (but especially the transport) in the assault?  The enemy troops that attacked the vehicle would be right up against it ready for a TS, but also engaged with the remaining passengers...

 

No one has encountered it for good reason.