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**Absolutionis**

At least I won't have to file off this Asura's robonipples.

I hope the disassembling left hand won't be the new look for the Nanopulser. I was a fan of the original male Deva's arm just because it seemed so much more deliberately designed.

**Red Harvest**

Bubbalicious wrote:
Red Harvest wrote:
Viral weapons were Haqq only.

Thats not true. Nomads, YuJing, Ariadna and Tohaa have them to.

Let me re-phrase. Viral weapons were originally Haqq only. Now they, like plasma weapons and the things Kan and Jake mentioned have proliferated.

**Kanluwen**

Red Harvest wrote:
Bubbalicious wrote:
Red Harvest wrote:
Viral weapons were Haqq only.

Thats not true. Nomads, YuJing, Ariadna and Tohaa have them to.

Let me re-phrase. Viral weapons were originally Haqq only. Now they, like plasma weapons and the things Kan and Jake mentioned have proliferated.

Brief hisory:

Spoiler:

Back to Strelok and Asura: confirmed to be sold separately later this year.

**Grey Templar**

I love everything about the Ratnik, except the Hammer. That'll either get converted or removed entirely.

**.Mikes.**

Any idea on when we start seeing profiles?

**Kanluwen**

.Mikes. wrote:
Any idea on when we start seeing profiles?

Sadly, no. They expect to ship the box in September--so probably October?

**B0B MaRlEy**

Kanluwen wrote:
.Mikes. wrote:
Any idea on when we start seeing profiles?

Sadly, no. They expect to ship the box in September--so probably October?

Inm finally watching the unboxing video and they mention rules stuff being explained this week, so maybe earlier than that. The ratnik's hammer is apparently more than a melee weapon (thrown?)

**Grey Templar**

B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
.Mikes. wrote:
Any idea on when we start seeing profiles?

Sadly, no. They expect to ship the box in September--so probably October?

Inm finally watching the unboxing video and they mention rules stuff being explained this week, so maybe earlier than that. The ratnik's hammer is apparently more than a melee weapon (thrown?)

Can't see it being thrown. Only "throwing" weapon we have is the Vorpal CCW, and that has a fluff justification for it returning, but this I couldn't see one for it returning when thrown. Maybe it has a Light Flamer or some other small template weapon for the explosive head, but that would be weird.

Probably just an EXP or DA CCW, maybe with AP or T2 as well.

**Kanluwen**

B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
.Mikes. wrote:
Any idea on when we start seeing profiles?

Sadly, no. They expect to ship the box in September--so probably October?

Inm finally watching the unboxing video and they mention rules stuff being explained this week, so maybe earlier than that. The ratnik's hammer is apparently more than a melee weapon (thrown?)

Yeah, we'll see the profiles I guess for a brief bit--but they usually leave stuff out. From what we've seen so far, they definitely have toned the actual rules down significantly for the starter set.

See here:

Spoiler:

Also, Dart is apparently "required" for listbuilding purposes in the boxed set--Ariadna gets the Wardriver to hack Dakinis and ALEPH gets Dart to offset the points difference.

Sure would be a shame if people could have gotten the fricking model normally I guess...

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Grey Templar wrote:
B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
.Mikes. wrote:
Any idea on when we start seeing profiles?

Sadly, no. They expect to ship the box in September--so probably October?

Inm finally watching the unboxing video and they mention rules stuff being explained this week, so maybe earlier than that. The ratnik's hammer is apparently more than a melee weapon (thrown?)

Can't see it being thrown. Only "throwing" weapon we have is the Vorpal CCW, and that has a fluff justification for it returning, but this I couldn't see one for it returning when thrown. Maybe it has a Light Flamer or some other small template weapon for the explosive head, but that would be weird.

Probably just an EXP or DA CCW, maybe with AP or T2 as well.

It's literally said during the BoW video that it's called a "trench hammer" and can be a thrown weapon. The bits on the front are explosive charges.

**Grey Templar**

Fair enough. Still seems weird.

**.Mikes.**

Could be Disposable maybe.

**PsychoticStorm**

Kanluwen wrote:

Also, Dart is apparently "required" for listbuilding purposes in the boxed set--Ariadna gets the Wardriver to hack Dakinis and ALEPH gets Dart to offset the points difference.

Sure would be a shame if people could have gotten the fricking model normally I guess...

Required? how so?

**Grey Templar**

.Mikes. wrote:
Could be Disposable maybe.

Hopefully just the ranged part and not the melee part.

**Rygnan**

PsychoticStorm wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

Also, Dart is apparently "required" for listbuilding purposes in the boxed set--Ariadna gets the Wardriver to hack Dakinis and ALEPH gets Dart to offset the points difference.

Sure would be a shame if people could have gotten the fricking model normally I guess...

Required? how so?

Kan literally wrote it in the post, later scenarios in the box use the Wardriver for Ariadna and ALEPH get Dart. Except Dart is a convention only model, or in an Aristeia box with 3 other models you can't use in Infinity...

**Micky**

Rygnan wrote:

Kan literally wrote it in the post, later scenarios in the box use the Wardriver for Ariadna and ALEPH get Dart. Except Dart is a convention only model, or in an Aristeia box with 3 other models you can't use in Infinity...

...? Did we watch the same video? Bostria just said she made the forces balanced on points and model count.

**Grey Templar**

IE: if you didn’t get the Dart model via the convention, you are short on playing the box set if you’re a new player playing the starter rules in it.

Of course hopefully you’d have a more experienced player teach you how to use Army before that point...

**PsychoticStorm**

Micky wrote:
Rygnan wrote:

Kan literally wrote it in the post, later scenarios in the box use the Wardriver for Ariadna and ALEPH get Dart. Except Dart is a convention only model, or in an Aristeia box with 3 other models you can't use in Infinity...

...? Did we watch the same video? Bostria just said she made the forces balanced on points and model count.

Wardriver is an element of the scenarios the same way CSU and Yuan Yuan were in the previous boxes, not part of anybodies forces and not included on boxes outside the preorder, why she is "essential" or why someone needs to buy dart to balance the box contents, don't get me wrong both great models worth having, but none is part of the box essential to balance the forces contained in it.

**Kanluwen**

Micky wrote:
Rygnan wrote:

Kan literally wrote it in the post, later scenarios in the box use the Wardriver for Ariadna and ALEPH get Dart. Except Dart is a convention only model, or in an Aristeia box with 3 other models you can't use in Infinity...

...? Did we watch the same video? Bostria just said she made the forces balanced on points and model count.

Which means that she becomes essential with regards to people just starting out...

I mean, I can balance around it easily enough myself(Wardrivers are 17-19 points...meaning that Dart falls somewhere in there, which is just wow if that's the case) but it's still a bit cheeky to do for a model that's not actually included in the box.

**Micky**

Along with literally any other blister pack...? Seriously, I don't get why this is an issue?

(i happen to know she's considerably more than a wardriver fyi)

**Kanluwen**

Micky wrote:
Along with literally any other blister pack...? Seriously, I don't get why this is an issue?

...Because she's a convention exclusive until she gets released with an Aristeia box sometime next year?

(i happen to know she's considerably more than a wardriver fyi)

Then you should understand why it's a big deal that a model that's being billed in a starter product isn't actually in said starter product and won't be available until next year as part of a box for a totally separate game system, right?

I mean if you're "in the know" enough to be aware of her stats and points costs.

**Micky**

Kanluwen wrote:
Micky wrote:
Along with literally any other blister pack...? Seriously, I don't get why this is an issue?

...Because she's a convention exclusive until she gets released with an Aristeia box sometime next year?

(i happen to know she's considerably more than a wardriver fyi)

Then you should understand why it's a big deal that a model that's being billed in a starter product isn't actually in said starter product and won't be available until next year as part of a box for a totally separate game system, right?

I mean if you're "in the know" enough to be aware of her stats and points costs.

As far as I'm aware she's not billed as a starter product, shes just on sale alongside it as a convention exclusive. Same goes for the "advance release" of the strelok and asura, which is also a convention exclusive.

The "Beyond Coldfront" box released later this year (date was confirmed by Bostria) is what's gonna balance the two starter forces, just like the other two "Beyond" packs.

**Henshini**

From what I understand above, the issue is that at least one of the scenarios in the coldfront book has the aleph player using dart. That’s a first for these operations boxes.

**Kanluwen**

Micky wrote:

As far as I'm aware she's not billed as a starter product, shes just on sale alongside it as a convention exclusive. Same goes for the "advance release" of the strelok and asura, which is also a convention exclusive.

When something is literally put into the book, it's being billed as a "starter product".

The "Beyond Coldfront" box released later this year (date was confirmed by Bostria) is what's gonna balance the two starter forces, just like the other two "Beyond" packs.

And yet those two sets also included 300pt lists inside that used none of those items.

Anyways, anyone interested the Arestia thing has been explained a bit more:
The "Human Fate" expansion will be coming around the same time and features this version of Dart:

Crisis averted, we can move along to our regularly scheduled silliness of having to buy 3 models you might not want.

**Bladerunner2019**

Henshini wrote:
From what I understand above, the issue is that at least one of the scenarios in the coldfront book has the aleph player using dart. That’s a first for these operations boxes.

Wasn’t there a cardboard token for exclusive models in prior boxes? CSU was a token if you didn’t preorder icestorm.
Yeah it’d suck using a token, but the game still works.

**Mysterio**

Kanluwen wrote:

Anyways, anyone interested the Arestia thing has been explained a bit more:
The "Human Fate" expansion will be coming around the same time and features this version of Dart:

Crisis averted, we can move along to our regularly scheduled silliness of having to buy 3 models you might not want.

Not at all interested in Arestia, but I do like that version of Dart.

Shame I won't be able to get it - as no, I do not want the other models.

And as noted earlier, if/when she's released individually, she'll probably not have the bow modeled.

**Kanluwen**

Mysterio wrote:

Not at all interested in Arestia, but I do like that version of Dart.

Shame I won't be able to get it - as no, I do not want the other models.

And as noted earlier, if/when she's released individually, she'll probably not have the bow modeled.

That's the version of her released "individually" apparently? There might be another one way down the line, but apparently that's the plan.

**Mysterio**

Ah, my mistake!

I like the bow model, and would like to get that one instead of one with an SMG and *maybe* a ow on her back.

Thanks for the good news!

**ImAGeek**

Where’s the idea come from that Dart is in one of the scenarios in the book? I don’t remember that from the video. They just said that if you get everything from GenCon the forces are pretty much balanced. The 300pt lists in Icestorm and Red Veil just had other existing boxes to round out the lists which I’m sure this will too, and then Beyond Coldfront is coming at some point which will also round them to 300pts.

**IJW**

Dart is not involved in any part of the Coldfront missions in any way.

**Kanluwen**

ImAGeek wrote:
Where’s the idea come from that Dart is in one of the scenarios in the book? I don’t remember that from the video. They just said that if you get everything from GenCon the forces are pretty much balanced. The 300pt lists in Icestorm and Red Veil just had other existing boxes to round out the lists which I’m sure this will too, and then Beyond Coldfront is coming at some point which will also round them to 300pts.

The statement about scenarios, no clue where that comes from. That ain't me.

She's purportedly in the 300 point list. That's what Bostria said/implied. That's poor fricking form to put her in there when initially she was being billed as a GenCon release and the other version coming out next year--now that the Arestia details are out with regards to it releasing around the same time as the box it's not a big deal.