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 Red Harvest wrote:
Show me the Asuras. (tomorrow?)

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Does that mean Streloks are probably bikers with antipodes?
I'm hyped for TAK

Not quite. The Strelok rides the Antipode. Kazak cavalry.

Naga sniper is a proxy for Naga minelayer or Naga hacker. Both of the latter minis hold minimal appeal. And the hacker is only in the Starter box. 2 Nagas ( one a minelayer), and a Montesa make for some fun hijinxs. Especially with the Regular sniper or Bagh Mari sniper and a Bulleteer, or even a Peacemaker.

You forgott that this is Soviet Ariadna and in Soviet Ariadna, Soviet K9 rides you not the other way around. Come to think of it, im goign to start kalling TAK SA instead.

Gave the Mono Naga a boarding shotgun so its now a minelayer. Probably have the combie some were so i can convert the multi into a combie because its the best looking Naga

 Kanluwen wrote:


Here's the thing...
There's a difference between having "all of your exclusive stuff taken by other armies" and never getting something in the first place. The Mine Dispenser's concept was a thing specifically called out during the runup to N3 as a thing for Bolts that was going to "greatly expand their usefulness"--it never happened and those guys tend to just be there still.

And realistically, there isn't a whole hell of a lot CA that has been shared out that has been deemed to be CA exclusive as far as I know. Outside of one character for the Steel Phalanx, you're the only people with Plasma weaponry and as far as I can think of, the only source for SMART Multi Snipers. Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head with Vorpal CCWs either. Sepsitorization isn't exactly non-CA army fare either.

I can understand your annoyance though.

Carlos himself has said that they introduce unique ideas into Combined Army,a nd then if they work they refine them, reduce the cost and give them to other armies. This has been going on since original HS. Here's a (incomplete, I'm sure) list:

Fast HI (Originally Suryat, and specifically cited as the thing that set them apart from human HI and made them a unique example of superior Combined Army technology)

Plasma Weapons (originally cited as Combined Army only)

Vulkan Shotgun (Originally cited as Morat only)

K1 Ammo (Originally cited as Morat only)

Nanoscreen (originally cited as Shasvastii exclusive tech)

Morats (Previously only available in Combined Army. Now widely available as a Mercenary)



And then there are things that were not specifically cited as Combined army exclusive, but we're specifically part of Combined Army's unique make up before being distributed to other armies:

Auto-Medikits (originally Combined Army only. Although they were never specifically called out as Combined Army exclusive tech, they were only used by Combined Army)

Doctor/Engineer (originally the Obsidian Mechanoid, but starting with Human Sphere this became more common in other armies)

Large (S5) HI (originally Charontid, Anathematic and Sogarat)



Of course, Combined army doesn't have a monopoly on stuff that was eventually given to other factions. That happens to everyone. But they do have a long, well documented history of "This is what makes Combined army unique! No one else has this! Oh actually, now we're giving it to other armies!".

In comparison, PanO wasn't given a mine launcher which was discussed as being in development but never promised and was never mentioned as being exclusive. For a sectorial army that already has Camo TAGS, Heavy Grenade Launchers, MSV2 and MSV3, TO Camo HI, G:Sync flamethrower bots, solid having options, multiple sensors, a good selection of Specialists, dirt cheap ODD remotes and ODD infiltrators with Breaker rifles and fairly cheap TO camo, CSUs, Albedo and Biometric Visors. And Drop Bears!

I do understand your disapointment. It sucks to be excited about something and have it never materialize. But complaining that Morats got something new, especially something that is extremely MORAT, just seems wrong.

Plasma weapons still, effectively, might as well be Combined Army--they're only available on one profile for Hector.
K1 ammunition is in a similar situation. Teucer has a K1 Sniper Rifle--otherwise K1 outside of CA is on Tohaa.
Krakot Mercenaries is a joke, right? They're a Merc unit. No Sectorial aside from the NA2 ones can take them--and even then it's only Ikari Company.
Vulkan Shotguns, when introduced with Paradiso, were not billed as "Morat only". Hell the picture used on p190 is of a Tohaa one.

Honestly, a lot of your list is questionable when we get down to brass tacks.

I get that you think my specific complaint is "Morat got something and I didn't--no fair!". It's not. It's that, yet again, a thing that PanO was told they couldn't have "because it was broken or didn't fit the mechanics of the game" has shown up elsewhere.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Plasma weapons still, effectively, might as well be Combined Army--they're only available on one profile for Hector.
K1 ammunition is in a similar situation. Teucer has a K1 Sniper Rifle--otherwise K1 outside of CA is on Tohaa.
Krakot Mercenaries is a joke, right? They're a Merc unit. No Sectorial aside from the NA2 ones can take them--and even then it's only Ikari Company.
Vulkan Shotguns, when introduced with Paradiso, were not billed as "Morat only". Hell the picture used on p190 is of a Tohaa one.

Honestly, a lot of your list is questionable when we get down to brass tacks.

I get that you think my specific complaint is "Morat got something and I didn't--no fair!". It's not. It's that, yet again, a thing that PanO was told they couldn't have "because it was broken or didn't fit the mechanics of the game" has shown up elsewhere.

I don't think any of my list is questionable, but my examples may need further context and explanation of you don't understand why they are relevant . For example, when Vulkan was first introduced to us (during a Gencon seminar) it was described as something that would be exclusive to MAF, and was developed by MAF specifically to fight Tohaa. This changed eventually though, which is actually my overall point:

My point: Very, very often things that were designated as "Combined Army only" ended up being spread around to other armies. Sometimes in just limited ways, but sometime sin nearly universal ways. This is actually fine. Its to be expected and is just part of the development of the game. BUT when people complain that their special unique thing ended up in another army, I always think "Yeah, duh. That happens a lot. Look at Combined Army." And when the specific complaint is that something ended up IN Combined Army it seems especially ridiculous.

How this applies to your specific complaint: I think you need to really try to understand that plans change, and things that are in development, even if they've been mentioned, often don't come to fruition. And that doesn't mean (and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth here) that they were taken from you, or the developer messed up, or the developer doesn't know what its doing, or the developer hates your army, or that the developer lied or misrepresented the situation, or anything else. It just means plans changed, and you don't know exactly why. And I do get that this can be frustrating. But seriously man, its been YEARS since the Bolts were released. Time to maybe get over it?

 jake wrote:

I don't think any of my list is questionable, but my examples may need further context and explanation of you don't understand why they are relevant . For example, when Vulkan was first introduced to us (during a Gencon seminar) it was described as something that would be exclusive to MAF, and was developed by MAF specifically to fight Tohaa. This changed eventually though, which is actually my overall point

Okay see, I don't remember them calling it out as "exclusive to MAF"--but I do remember them talking about MAF using it for fighting Tohaa. I wouldn't be surprised if someone introduced them to the concept of incendiary shotgun shells so it got wider spread.

My point: Very, very often things that were designated as "Combined Army only" ended up being spread around to other armies. Sometimes in just limited ways, but sometime sin nearly universal ways. This is actually fine. Its to be expected and is just part of the development of the game. BUT when people complain that their special unique thing ended up in another army, I always think "Yeah, duh. That happens a lot. Look at Combined Army." And when the specific complaint is that something ended up IN Combined Army it seems especially ridiculous.

And that shows that, again, you're missing the point of the complaint. It's not that "CA got it but PanO didn't!".

It's that PanO was told that it was too OP for the game and the mechanics wouldn't work, but here it is appearing now some years later in CA and the lore suggesting that at least one more army(JSA) will be getting it when their models(Aragato) get reworked.

How this applies to your specific complaint: I think you need to really try to understand that plans change, and things that are in development, even if they've been mentioned, often don't come to fruition. And that doesn't mean (and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth here) that they were taken from you, or the developer messed up, or the developer doesn't know what its doing, or the developer hates your army, or that the developer lied or misrepresented the situation, or anything else. It just means plans changed, and you don't know exactly why. And I do get that this can be frustrating. But seriously man, its been YEARS since the Bolts were released. Time to maybe get over it?

Sure, let me get over it when the Mine Dispensers got revealed just last week.

Oh wait...

What the dickens? New Asuras Sculpt coming! And you guys are having a QQ about Pan-O and the Morats.

Priorities people. No one cares about Big Blue. Not even CB.

Edit: Come to think of it, CB has given to the Nomads CA's aesthetic too, no? And paint scheme. Stupid Space Hippies. Wanna smash 'em.

 Kanluwen wrote:


It's that PanO was told that it was too OP for the game and the mechanics wouldn't work, but here it is appearing now some years later in CA and the lore suggesting that at least one more army(JSA) will be getting it when their models(Aragato) get reworked.

I feel like you didn't read what I said, so I'll say it again.

"How this applies to your specific complaint: I think you need to really try to understand that plans change, and things that are in development, even if they've been mentioned, often don't come to fruition. And that doesn't mean (and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth here) that they were taken from you, or the developer messed up, or the developer doesn't know what its doing, or the developer hates your army, or that the developer lied or misrepresented the situation, or anything else. It just means plans changed, and you don't know exactly why. "

If CB said that the weapon was too powerful they were almost certainly telling the truth. It may be that it was too powerful for a linkable medium infantry unit, too powerful for Neo-Terra, too powerful for Pan O, too powerful for the game in general at that time or too powerful in whatever form the weapon was currently taking at that time. That the weapon is showing up now on a unit for another army doesn't change any of that or make it untrue.

At this point im pretty sure ariadna has the market on unique one-off equipment that no-one else gets...

 Red Harvest wrote:
Priorities people. No one cares about Big Blue. Not even CB.

Exactly on point.

Operation Coldfront Unboxing PLUS extra exclusive Gencon goodies.

The important takeaway is this:

These are the two that will be available later, probably separately.


Dart's an Aristeia model who is also in Infinity.

 jake wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Here's the thing...
There's a difference between having "all of your exclusive stuff taken by other armies" and never getting something in the first place. The Mine Dispenser's concept was a thing specifically called out during the runup to N3 as a thing for Bolts that was going to "greatly expand their usefulness"--it never happened and those guys tend to just be there still.

And realistically, there isn't a whole hell of a lot CA that has been shared out that has been deemed to be CA exclusive as far as I know. Outside of one character for the Steel Phalanx, you're the only people with Plasma weaponry and as far as I can think of, the only source for SMART Multi Snipers. Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head with Vorpal CCWs either. Sepsitorization isn't exactly non-CA army fare either.

I can understand your annoyance though.

Carlos himself has said that they introduce unique ideas into Combined Army,a nd then if they work they refine them, reduce the cost and give them to other armies. This has been going on since original HS. Here's a (incomplete, I'm sure) list:

Fast HI (Originally Suryat, and specifically cited as the thing that set them apart from human HI and made them a unique example of superior Combined Army technology)

Plasma Weapons (originally cited as Combined Army only)

Vulkan Shotgun (Originally cited as Morat only)

K1 Ammo (Originally cited as Morat only)

Nanoscreen (originally cited as Shasvastii exclusive tech)

Morats (Previously only available in Combined Army. Now widely available as a Mercenary)



And then there are things that were not specifically cited as Combined army exclusive, but we're specifically part of Combined Army's unique make up before being distributed to other armies:

Auto-Medikits (originally Combined Army only. Although they were never specifically called out as Combined Army exclusive tech, they were only used by Combined Army)

Doctor/Engineer (originally the Obsidian Mechanoid, but starting with Human Sphere this became more common in other armies)

Large (S5) HI (originally Charontid, Anathematic and Sogarat)



Of course, Combined army doesn't have a monopoly on stuff that was eventually given to other factions. That happens to everyone. But they do have a long, well documented history of "This is what makes Combined army unique! No one else has this! Oh actually, now we're giving it to other armies!".

In comparison, PanO wasn't given a mine launcher which was discussed as being in development but never promised and was never mentioned as being exclusive. For a sectorial army that already has Camo TAGS, Heavy Grenade Launchers, MSV2 and MSV3, TO Camo HI, G:Sync flamethrower bots, solid having options, multiple sensors, a good selection of Specialists, dirt cheap ODD remotes and ODD infiltrators with Breaker rifles and fairly cheap TO camo, CSUs, Albedo and Biometric Visors. And Drop Bears!

I do understand your disapointment. It sucks to be excited about something and have it never materialize. But complaining that Morats got something new, especially something that is extremely MORAT, just seems wrong.

>High WIP Hackers where billed a a Nomad thing
>Mass infiltration was a Nomad thing
>ODD was a Nomad thing
>REM tech was a Nomad thing

Want me to go on?

Heh, I guess Mirage 5 just went Russian. Too bad the Strelok K-9 girl doesn't look more like her artwork.

 master of ordinance wrote:


>High WIP Hackers where billed a a Nomad thing
>Mass infiltration was a Nomad thing
>ODD was a Nomad thing
>REM tech was a Nomad thing

Want me to go on?

Not really the same thing. While these were noted as things Nomads were good at, they weren't ever exclusive to Nomads, even in the early days of the game, and as far as I know they were never said to be.



Listen, I didn't mean to turn this into an argument about what army had the most exclusive stuff given away, or something like that. I just wanted to point out that exclusive stuff always eventually ends up getting distributed to other armies and that complaining about it is pointless. As a separate point, I was trying to say that it seemed weird to complain that CA was getting something new that was possibly meant for Pan O, when there was such a long history of the opposite happening. But I didn't do a good job of explaining what I meant and those two points got mixed up.

So I can't seem to find an actual answer anywhere, are these expansions going to be at Gencon? I'm going to be starting TAK with Coldfront, but I want to be able to budget as much as I can in advance

 Rygnan wrote:
So I can't seem to find an actual answer anywhere, are these expansions going to be at Gencon? I'm going to be starting TAK with Coldfront, but I want to be able to budget as much as I can in advance

Yeah, this is all Gencon stuff. Pre-order is up nowhttps://store.corvusbelli.com/gencon/index.html

 jake wrote:

Not really the same thing. While these were noted as things Nomads were good at, they weren't ever exclusive to Nomads, even in the early days of the game, and as far as I know they were never said to be.

Also, my point was that exclusive stuff always eventually ends up getting distributed to other armies and that complaining about it is pointless.

Which again showed that you seem to have missed the point of my gripe: it's not the wider distribution of it, it's the lack of it in an army where they had talked about it as a thing to begin with. I have no qualms with it showing up elsewhere but the least that could be done is the dang thing showing up in NCA and ASA. Mount it on a Bulleteer or Peacemaker, mount it on TAGs, I don't care.

It would be like if they'd spent time talking up Sepsitors, saying how they're going to be a "gamechanger" for CA--then reversed their hypetrain, said the item was "too powerful" for the game or "didn't work with the game mechanics", but then a few years later it showed up elsewhere with no signs of it being put into CA at all.


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 Siygess wrote:
Heh, I guess Mirage 5 just went Russian. Too bad she doesn't look more like her artwork.

Honestly, other than the pose I think she looks pretty spot on!

GenCon only stuff available only at GenCon (duh!) and/or online at CB (with their ridiculous shipping prices still?) during the convention - right?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 jake wrote:

Not really the same thing. While these were noted as things Nomads were good at, they weren't ever exclusive to Nomads, even in the early days of the game, and as far as I know they were never said to be.

Also, my point was that exclusive stuff always eventually ends up getting distributed to other armies and that complaining about it is pointless.

Which again showed that you seem to have missed the point of my gripe: it's not the wider distribution of it, it's the lack of it in an army where they had talked about it as a thing to begin with. I have no qualms with it showing up elsewhere but the least that could be done is the dang thing showing up in NCA and ASA. Mount it on a Bulleteer or Peacemaker, mount it on TAGs, I don't care.

It would be like if they'd spent time talking up Sepsitors, saying how they're going to be a "gamechanger" for CA--then reversed their hypetrain, said the item was "too powerful" for the game or "didn't work with the game mechanics", but then a few years later it showed up elsewhere with no signs of it being put into CA at all.

You seem to be completely dismissing the idea that they may have felt like the weapon didn't fit in Neo Terra at all. That after they had talked about it they changed their mind and decided that it was too powerful or a bad fit for what they originally intended for Bolts and Neo Terra. I mean, thats basically exactly what they said, right? That it was too powerful? That doesn't preclude that it couldn't show up in other armies. Too powerful for Neo-Terra MI links and vanilla Pan O doesn't mean too powerful for a CA TAG. Or is your preference that no one should have it because Neo Terra isn't getting it?

There have been a LOT of changes to Neo Terra since Bolts were first discussed and previewed. Its very possible that CB doesn't feel this new version of the weapon fits into Neo Terra at all anymore. Its possible that instead of a mine launcher they decided that what Neo Terra needed was Locusts, Black friars or any of the other changes and additions they've had in the last few years.

Again, I think you need to accept that part of the design process is that things change. Just because something was discussed doesn't mean that its set in stone.

 Mysterio wrote:
GenCon only stuff available only at GenCon (duh!) and/or online at CB (with their ridiculous shipping prices still?) during the convention - right?

Correct--but their website isn't working too great right now.

The Advance Pack(Strelok and Asura) will be coming out later (most likely individually rather than as a boxed set combo or a "Beyond!" set) while Dart will be available next year as part of an expansion for their fighty game.

Just to clarify.

Gencon exclusive Dart is a skin of the dart character from the upcoming expansion of Aristeia! while the character will be released with the new expansion, this particular skin is convention exclusive.

There is a free shipping offer for all orders above 160 EU.

Having to spend almost $200 US to get 'free shipping' is...not cool!

Especially as I only want the Infinity advance pack!

 Mysterio wrote:
Having to spend almost $200 US to get 'free shipping' is...not cool!

Especially as I only want the Infinity advance pack!

They're saying that the models in the advance pack will be available later, so I'd guess November/December for those. Probably individual releases rather than a box though.

Ah, even better then - thanks!

Guess I'll...hurry up and wait!

Do you think she brought enough weapons to the party?
Liking the viral Tactical bow!

Bubbalicious wrote:
Do you think she brought enough weapons to the party?
Liking the viral Tactical bow!

Spoiler:

Heh...so, we can assume the general release variant will have the SMG.

Can't watch the videos at work, is that Dart going to be exclusively available as part of the bundle or will she be available separately on her own if you attend GenCon?

Also, is that other model at the 33:04 timestamp the new Asura? That model is absolutely hideous. It's like they took a look at the original Asura and said "Lets take this great model and add a bunch of techno-crap to her head and arm and a rediculous porn-star boob job that's 2 sizes too big for her chest". Almost every other model hits the mark spot-on, but I think I'm going to be picking up the old one before it goes away

Darts fluff.

Dart is the rich heiress of a business conglomerate specialized in the manufacture of biochemical compounds. Her passion and dedication to extreme sports led her to enroll in Aristeia! as the icon of her own company, Aura Biochemicals, where she could finally enjoy the challenge of hunting the best aristos of the Human Sphere. After she earned glory and fame, more than she could have ever imagined, ALEPH sent her a proposal: become Posthuman. Bored of Aristeia!, she accepted a position within the Optimates, a group of Posthumans that works hand by hand with the SSS. Since then, once again she can enjoy hunting aliens from the Combined Army in the jungles of Paradiso

Viral weapons were Haqq only.

Koni confirmed that the exclusive minis, Asuras and the Strelok + Antipode carpenter ( it's carrying a hammer. It will hammer in the morning. It will hammer in the evening. It will hammer all over ALEPH's operatives. Lol) These will be sold separately as regular releases sometime after GenCOn. So if you want only one, you can wait.

Honestly not sure about that Asuras. Don't like the Ariadna minis. Dart is nice enough, except for that dumb-ass bow.


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Space wolves using disproportionately large hammers. Hmm, where have I seen that before...

 Red Harvest wrote:
Viral weapons were Haqq only.

Thats not true. Nomads, YuJing, Ariadna and Tohaa have them to.