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Where is this "1 point drop bear" thing coming from? All the multi-rifle profiles come with E-marats and drop bears, all the combi rifle profiles are 4 points cheaper but are also either forward observers or Number 2, MRs are always more but you've also got specialists on the CRs. While they share some obvious rules It's actually pretty hard to compare them with Bolts, the Yadus are all 10ish points more expensive and while called MI, they're statted and will function more like budget HI. MOV 4-4, ARM3 and essentially 2 wounds since they're shock-immune. Lots of nuanced difference between actual HI, not hackable and shock-immune NWI is not the same as a proper 2 wound model. Looking at these profiles I fully expect Vedic to be similar to Tunguska in that they have some powerful troops, some troops with some unique rules combos, but everything is going to be expensive enough that you can't run all the fun toys together.

Compare to the Forward Observer - Combi Rifle to MULTI Rifle is +4 points and FO is 1pt. That gives 1pt for the Drop Bears.

Oh, Bolts. We could have had such fun, but you suck so, so badly.

Pretty much all the profiles (with a couple of odd outliers) seem fairly well costed to me.

Aleph getting new toys of this quality is honestly pretty cool (and i dont even play aleph) and they all seem to be costed appropriately - the Yadu being high 30s to mid-40s is a good sign.

Only real outliers are a couple of the cheap Strelok profiles (like that K9 one - 24 pts?!) and the Ratnik with rockets.

 Modock wrote:

Jesus christ. Theres a lot of good profiles here, but that 16 point SMG/Chain Colt/Mines is amazing. And with Ambush Camo and FD2. Is there a cheaper Regular Camo unit in the game?

 Micky wrote:
Pretty much all the profiles (with a couple of odd outliers) seem fairly well costed to me.

Aleph getting new toys of this quality is honestly pretty cool (and i dont even play aleph) and they all seem to be costed appropriately - the Yadu being high 30s to mid-40s is a good sign.

Only real outliers are a couple of the cheap Strelok profiles (like that K9 one - 24 pts?!) and the Ratnik with rockets.

Considering that the Streloks has the same base stats (+1CC) as the line Kazaks, and a line Kazak with a with SMG would cost around 5pts it looks fine.
The K-9 is 8pts, a Auxbot/Devabot is 4pts with a heavy flamethrower. K-9 only has the trench hammer (curios what it does) as an offensive weapon and zero defensive (its mostly a sensor tool) it looks fine to.

And Heavy rocket launchers are dirt cheap, they are a couple of points cheaper than a single Molotok. An Overdrone with two of them are 57pts, has better stats and doesn't degrade after taking a wound.

My favourite profile is the Strelok T2 marksman rifle plus mines, love that one.
Some really interesting stuff in the Coldfront box...

Hrl ratnik, not that expensive but still, he is 2 shoot activ turn model, doesnt give nor can reduce neg modifiers that are quite commno, from camo/to camo/odd/etc. ...not seing him as that greaz. Even as aro piece, you might as well have camo t2 sniper who is probably gonna be "more" survivable when you combine range+camo.
I would have to test him but he is far from auto include, might as well take vet kazak in 5man link probably and have bs16 with mimetism and b5 hmg...

Streloks are okay, similar to foxtrot. T2 is nice but he is 29pts for kazak profile with camo...not cheap tbh. Satisfied that tak has cheaper skirmisher along with scout who is kinda expensive for what he does.

 jake wrote:

Jesus christ. Theres a lot of good profiles here, but that 16 point SMG/Chain Colt/Mines is amazing. And with Ambush Camo and FD2. Is there a cheaper Regular Camo unit in the game?

Combi rifle Zeros are very close to that profile for 18 points, but they get full camo and regular infiltration instead of budget camo and budget infiltration.

 Kalamadea wrote:

 jake wrote:

Jesus christ. Theres a lot of good profiles here, but that 16 point SMG/Chain Colt/Mines is amazing. And with Ambush Camo and FD2. Is there a cheaper Regular Camo unit in the game?

Combi rifle Zeros are very close to that profile for 18 points, but they get full camo and regular infiltration instead of budget camo and budget infiltration.

What budget camo...ambush camo is better than lvl 2 camouflage.

Oh crap, I was thinking he had limited camo. Yeah, that's crazy good with ambush camo

The K-9 profile will be kinda obvious though, since it will be a big camo token near two small ones. Can always flood the field with more assault packs and camo tokens though I suppose.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The K-9 profile will be kinda obvious though, since it will be a big camo token near two small ones. Can always flood the field with more assault packs and camo tokens though I suppose.

The K9 profile might be obvious, but the rest aren't--and even then running a K9 profile nearish an Antipode Assault Pack(I would not be surprised to see it made AVA2 in TAK to be honest) would make for some serious annoyance.

well, take 2x k9, 1-2 atnipodes packes(we could just as easily see them AVA 2 in TAK), and have fun xD

Purportedly, there's not going to be rules for TAK or Vedic releasing with Coldfront--just vanilla.

The plot thickens...book announcement at GenCon/Interplanetario for the winter?

Will Acheron finally fall already?

Sounds right, one of our regular players last night mentioned that the latest Mayacast said the actual sectorials won't be released till late in the year, haven't had a chance to listen to that one yet. One would have to assume that at least another JSA-style book will be released with the sectorials and fluff

This has been the working assumption for a while, no? There is one sectorial pending, since we know TAK and Vedic are coming. There is one more box coming(?), and possibly the book. I don't see book and box released at the same time.

The GenCon seminar will be in 12 days, however Bostria will reserve some reveals for Interplanetario. Probably the book reveal at GenCon, and the box at Interplanetario.

Varuna will be the next sectorial, it seems. The Vedic in the battle box threw me. Ah CB, you duplicitous weasels, you.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Purportedly, there's not going to be rules for TAK or Vedic releasing with Coldfront--just vanilla.

The plot thickens...book announcement at GenCon/Interplanetario for the winter?

Sucks that they wont release the actual sectorials until a later undisclosed date. I really dont understand why they release Tunguska as a sectorial and then not TAK or Vedict that even has more models released..

So, thats the book CB hinted at in April. I wonder if Acontecimento will explode.

I'm going to hazard a guess that Tunguska got a release to appease Nomad players, given the rather lackluster showing that CJC and Bakunin have been having of late.

Plus they want to 'expand the story', and Tunguska are the ones who usually operate the Nomad Diplomatic Missions.

Appease the Bromads and appeal to them too, and a whole lot of others. Releasing Tunguska was like printing money for CB. Nomads are a *pet* faction for many. Me, I wanna smash 'em.

Acontecimento explodes... It's an atek uprising. Or so I hear. Varuna is called in for their counter-insurgency experience from dealing with the helots. So we get the Varuna sectorial.

I'm not surprised that we'll have to wait for the sectorials. CB wants ensure brisk sales of Operation:weatherpattern first. The starters are not to be released on their own until January. So, book release in December.

Bear in mind that I am very much an unreliable narrator.

Releasing Tunguska also required very little in the way of 'new' items for a solid army launch.

We already had Sally, Interventors, two new Spektrs, and a Kriza Borac.

Varuna is supposedly being called in not for their counterinsurgency experience but the location of the uprisings(a tropical resort-ish locality) and the presence of Yu Jing agitators.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Varuna is supposedly being called in not for their counterinsurgency experience but the location of the uprisings(a tropical resort-ish locality) and the presence of Yu Jing agitators.

What have you heard?

Some stuff and some things. Partly the addition of an island resort to the map of Aconticemento, same as Kurage.

I remember when RTF were not releasing with the two player box they featured in. Still waiting for that just around the corner release. I hope OS and TAK wait just as long lol.

I have a hard time believing they wont put out the sectorials in army shortly after the box gets released (possibly in September)

Why would they release a model with a profile you cant use for a couple of months, Strelok - K9 is only available in the sectorial.

Something doesn't add up.

I think when strelok + k9 miniature hits the stores we'll get ste sectorial.

Some new profiles!

Bubbalicious wrote:
I have a hard time believing they wont put out the sectorials in army shortly after the box gets released (possibly in September)

Why would they release a model with a profile you cant use for a couple of months, Strelok - K9 is only available in the sectorial.

Something doesn't add up.

Strelok+K9 is only available in the Sectorial--but that specific Strelok profile can be taken without the K9 in Vanilla.

Lists from the booklet:


Kind of irked about the Frontovik being an Engineer. A lot of factions need/would benefit from another Engineer choice before TAK--especially since TAK are also supposed to get Irmandinhos.

So that tankhunter lost its glue gun uh? For Chain of Command? Interesting

The 2 sectorials might come with the Beyond box.