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Apparently not from what I hear that people tell us.

Bubbalicious wrote:
I have a hard time believing they wont put out the sectorials in army shortly after the box gets released (possibly in September)

Why would they release a model with a profile you cant use for a couple of months, Strelok - K9 is only available in the sectorial.

Something doesn't add up.

Sorry to reply to this specific post again(I'm not picking on you Bubbalicious, I swear!):

Something that occurs to me:

The Strelok+K9 and Asura Hacker is going to be an advance release---meaning that it will be out via GenCon, Interplanetario, and CB's webstore quite a bit of time before the general release. Previous years, it's been something like 3-4 months for stuff like that. It would put the "general release" at something like December to January at the earliest.

It lends a bit more credence to the idea that there might be a book on the way, since the "Beyond Coldfront" pack(a separate product to the Advance Release Pack mind you!) isn't bringing anything that is Sectorial locked from what it looks like.

?what you mean by sectorial locked?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
?what you mean by sectorial locked?

Things only available in sectorial, such as the K-9 Strelok.

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification.

That Rudra is really neat. is this a humnoid remote, or the one that comes in the Beyond box?


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Does anyone have any idea whats going on with the Asparas? 22 points and 1 SWC for a BS13 SMG seems like a lot.

 jake wrote:
That Rudra is really neat. is this a humnoid remote, or the one that comes in the Beyond box?

Everything in there is the Beyond and Coldfront sets.

Does anyone have any idea whats going on with the Asparas? 22 points and 1 SWC for a BS13 SMG seems like a lot.

No idea. The impression is that G: Jumper LZ is going to be...a hefty skill.

 jake wrote:
Does anyone have any idea whats going on with the Asparas? 22 points and 1 SWC for a BS13 SMG seems like a lot.

We don't really know what "G: Jumper LZ" is right now. Could justify the cost. Maybe it jumps into Remote Presence Remotes and buffs them?
It's certainly different from normal Ghost: Jumper considering it's the only model in the list with it.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 jake wrote:
Does anyone have any idea whats going on with the Asparas? 22 points and 1 SWC for a BS13 SMG seems like a lot.

We don't really know what "G: Jumper LZ" is right now. Could justify the cost. Maybe it jumps into Remote Presence Remotes and buffs them?
It's certainly different from normal Ghost: Jumper considering it's the only model in the list with it.

Hmm.... could she jump" into any remote, allowing it to use some of her stats, similar to how G:Mnumonica allows the Lt to bring its WIL with it when it transfers? That would allow her to loan her better BS and WIL to the Daikini, which could be interesting.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 jake wrote:
Does anyone have any idea whats going on with the Asparas? 22 points and 1 SWC for a BS13 SMG seems like a lot.

We don't really know what "G: Jumper LZ" is right now. Could justify the cost. Maybe it jumps into Remote Presence Remotes and buffs them?
It's certainly different from normal Ghost: Jumper considering it's the only model in the list with it.

This seems to be about where we are for it. Several WarCors have referred to them "granting Dakinis the expertise of experienced operatives".

Maybe it lets them use any trooper with G: Remote Presence as a host body, using their CC, BS, and WIP skills instead of the trooper with G: Remote Presence.

So take over a Zayin and give it a decent BS score for a turn.

That would be really interesting. Of course, the question is whether spending 20+ points for an order and a 5-10% buff on BS and WIP for your remotes is worth it. Probably, sometimes.


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Wait, why do Tankhunters have CoC? That seems like a very weird choice. It doesn't fit with what the unit does at all. It also makes no sense as a unit-wide skill, although i suppose this is probably just a single profile.

It kind of feels like between Spetsnaz, Frontoviks, Scouts and Strelock they didn't know what to do with Tankhunters. But CoC seems really out of place.

 jake wrote:
That would be really interesting. Of course, the question is whether spending 20+ points for an order and a 5-10% buff on BS and WIP for your remotes is worth it. Probably, sometimes.


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Wait, why do Tankhunters have CoC? That seems like a very weird choice. It doesn't fit with what the unit does at all. It also makes no sense as a unit-wide skill, although i suppose this is probably just a single profile.

It kind of feels like between Spetsnaz, Frontoviks, Scouts and Strelock they didn't know what to do with Tankhunters. But CoC seems really out of place.

I thought CoC was weird on the Tankhunter too, as Bostria implied that the Tankhunter character had it in the beyond Coldfront video.

 jake wrote:
That would be really interesting. Of course, the question is whether spending 20+ points for an order and a 5-10% buff on BS and WIP for your remotes is worth it. Probably, sometimes.


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Wait, why do Tankhunters have CoC? That seems like a very weird choice. It doesn't fit with what the unit does at all. It also makes no sense as a unit-wide skill, although i suppose this is probably just a single profile.

It kind of feels like between Spetsnaz, Frontoviks, Scouts and Strelock they didn't know what to do with Tankhunters. But CoC seems really out of place.

Arent scouts kinda mediocre with all other options you have. Shock is nice, but might as well have someone with T2 and be able to really threathen HI stuff? I was never all that hot about B2 ojotnik.

 smurfORnot wrote:

 jake wrote:
That would be really interesting. Of course, the question is whether spending 20+ points for an order and a 5-10% buff on BS and WIP for your remotes is worth it. Probably, sometimes.


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Wait, why do Tankhunters have CoC? That seems like a very weird choice. It doesn't fit with what the unit does at all. It also makes no sense as a unit-wide skill, although i suppose this is probably just a single profile.

It kind of feels like between Spetsnaz, Frontoviks, Scouts and Strelock they didn't know what to do with Tankhunters. But CoC seems really out of place.

Arent scouts kinda mediocre with all other options you have. Shock is nice, but might as well have someone with T2 and be able to really threathen HI stuff? I was never all that hot about B2 ojotnik.

Actually, I think having so many similar camo options is kind of hurting all of them. Tankhunters, Spetsnaz, Scouts, Strelock, Vassily... they all overlap a lot.

Spetsnaz have Ambush Camo and Marksman 2, but more basic weapons. Tankhunters have heavier weapons, but only normal Camo. Vassily has Ambush Camo, and Dogged and a good weapon and FO. Scouts have more basic weapons, but infiltration and Marksman 1. Strelock have Ambush Camo and forward Deployment, but shorter range weapons.

It all just seems to overlap too much. It feels like these could have been consolidated into 2 units: Ambush Camo guys with short range weapons, Normal camo guys with long range weapons. As it is now Tank Hunters and Scouts feel redundant, and even Spetsnaz look iffy with Vassily. I mean, I guess having a camo option for literally every possible situation is nice, but this just feels super redundant.

 jake wrote:


It all just seems to overlap too much. It feels like these could have been consolidated into 2 units: Ambush Camo guys with short range weapons, Normal camo guys with long range weapons. As it is now Tank Hunters and Scouts feel redundant, and even Spetsnaz look iffy with Vassily. I mean, I guess having a camo option for literally every possible situation is nice, but this just feels super redundant.

On the other hand, you have an army where half the profiles have camouflage, and unlike shasvastii they're all hard as nails, so. YMMV.

Just look forward to being able to hand your opponent a blank courtesy list without having to gimp yourself into a really niche batch of troops.

 Micky wrote:

 jake wrote:


It all just seems to overlap too much. It feels like these could have been consolidated into 2 units: Ambush Camo guys with short range weapons, Normal camo guys with long range weapons. As it is now Tank Hunters and Scouts feel redundant, and even Spetsnaz look iffy with Vassily. I mean, I guess having a camo option for literally every possible situation is nice, but this just feels super redundant.

On the other hand, you have an army where half the profiles have camouflage, and unlike shasvastii they're all hard as nails, so. YMMV.

Just look forward to being able to hand your opponent a blank courtesy list without having to gimp yourself into a really niche batch of troops.

I feel like having a larger variety of capabilities instead of 5 units that all kind of do the same or 2 semi-overlapping things might have been better? Both to play and play against.

Tank Hunters and Scouts definitely don't overlap. Scouts have Infiltration, Marksmanship 1, and the Ojotnik. Tank Hunters have Camo'd heavy weapons, and now a CoC profile.

The Ojotnik specifically has several qualities making it a good choice. first off is its range bands. It has one of the best +3 range band in the game. 8"-32" its only out distanced by sniper rifles and Missile Launchers, while being better at closer ranges. So unlike a lot of long range weapons, it's only got a bad range band within 8", instead of out to 16". Having that 8-16" gap covered is a big deal, since much CQB occurs in that zone. Many opponents aren't familiar with the Ojotnik's unique range bands. Its also Dam14 AP B2 so its a destructive little beast.

The Tank Hunter is also Arm3. Camo with Arm3 or more is pretty unusual.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Tank Hunters and Scouts definitely don't overlap. Scouts have Infiltration, Marksmanship 1, and the Ojotnik. Tank Hunters have Camo'd heavy weapons, and now a CoC profile.

The Ojotnik specifically has several qualities making it a good choice. first off is its range bands. It has one of the best +3 range band in the game. 8"-32" its only out distanced by sniper rifles and Missile Launchers, while being better at closer ranges. So unlike a lot of long range weapons, it's only got a bad range band within 8", instead of out to 16". Having that 8-16" gap covered is a big deal, since much CQB occurs in that zone. Many opponents aren't familiar with the Ojotnik's unique range bands. Its also Dam14 AP B2 so its a destructive little beast.

The Tank Hunter is also Arm3. Camo with Arm3 or more is pretty unusual.

Thing is, it's noly B2. WIth sniper and B2 you are usually in other weapon range of -3/-6. WIth ojotnik you are operating at closer distance, so there is less chance to be in other weapon negative band. B2, nosthing special tbh. I would be much more tempted by something like ap markshman rifle on scout. Usually you don't need long range weaposn on infiltrators since you already start in the middle of board. And if you don't wanna be closer, why pay for infiltrate when yo ucan have camo sniper in your DZ where you wanna stay at long range as far away as possible from enemy guns?
He is fine dealing with mooks ,but you have plenty of cheaper camo troops that are fine dealing with them, if you go to hunt more elite pray, you are being outclassed, and with B2, you are not really gonna have good time vs link teams/supression troops/elite troops.

Spetsnaz have Ambush Camo and Marksman 2, but more basic weapons

More basic weapon? He is probably best killer aradna has! Efective BS 15 HMG on ambush camo platform, and also decent in CC if it comes to that...

You kinda proved my point. The Ojotnik is the best of both worlds. It’s good up close as well as at a distance. Camo and surprise shot make up for only burst 2. Plus he can be an FO at the same time.

I don't know... I feel the ojotnik is kinda week. It's special in terms of range band but it's only B2 single target weapon. I would take marksman rifle any time of the day.

The fluff says it's a very special weapon that fires teseum made bullets and it's a proud possession of the elite scouts.
IMO It could be buffed a bit by using T2 ammunition or make it a burst 3 weapon with increased SWC cost.

 Grey Templar wrote:
You kinda proved my point. The Ojotnik is the best of both worlds. It’s good up close as well as at a distance. Camo and surprise shot make up for only burst 2. Plus he can be an FO at the same time.

Best of both worlds? You don't have power of thing like let's say T2 sniper rifle(you only have 1 more str than ap rifle, and -1B. 1 more burst is way more better than 1 str), you are closer to enemy, so there is greater chance for enemy to be able to use better BS vs you. There are cheaper FO available. And if you want specialist, usually you are operating closer to enemy where objectives are, therefore you range means little and burst is more important, which you only have B2. If you want FO that stays far away and pushes buttons next to your DZ, you can have 10pt kazak also...
If he got better weapon options, like marksham rifle(ap/T2) which is given left and right from the looks of it, I might consider him more, Though with him already having shock, for which you are paying, there is no point in T2, because T2 already does what shock does but better, so AP markshman rifle would be interesting option to have. Or even SMG option to bring points down and make him more interesting option, around 20ish pts, and not almost 30...

 smurfORnot wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
You kinda proved my point. The Ojotnik is the best of both worlds. It’s good up close as well as at a distance. Camo and surprise shot make up for only burst 2. Plus he can be an FO at the same time.

Best of both worlds? You don't have power of thing like let's say T2 sniper rifle(you only have 1 more str than ap rifle, and -1B. 1 more burst is way more better than 1 str), you are closer to enemy, so there is greater chance for enemy to be able to use better BS vs you. There are cheaper FO available. And if you want specialist, usually you are operating closer to enemy where objectives are, therefore you range means little and burst is more important, which you only have B2. If you want FO that stays far away and pushes buttons next to your DZ, you can have 10pt kazak also...
If he got better weapon options, like marksham rifle(ap/T2) which is given left and right from the looks of it, I might consider him more, Though with him already having shock, for which you are paying, there is no point in T2, because T2 already does what shock does but better, so AP markshman rifle would be interesting option to have. Or even SMG option to bring points down and make him more interesting option, around 20ish pts, and not almost 30...

My point as well, weapon selection is holding Scout back.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Tank Hunters and Scouts definitely don't overlap.

They actually overlap quite a bit. BS 12 Camo with Anti-armor or sniper weapons. They do also have some real differences. Armor vs Infiltration, for example (I'm guessing that CoC isn't a universal skill for Tank Hunters). But my point was that there's a lot of overlap between the 5 units I mentioned. Tank Hunters and Scouts are probably the two units within that 5 that are the furthest apart, but even they have some big similarities. I guess thats just TAK's thing. Its not really bad, it just seems super redundant and not super interesting (to me).

Man, I wish there was a dedicated Infinity forum to really dig in deeply to all of these non-rumors/news things.....

https://forum.corvusbelli.com

you register for it on the corvus belli website.

 firmlog wrote:
https://forum.corvusbelli.com

you register for it on the corvus belli website.

They were being sarcastic, i.e. saying take the non news and rumours discussion to the Infinity subforum.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 firmlog wrote:
https://forum.corvusbelli.com

you register for it on the corvus belli website.

They were being sarcastic, i.e. saying take the non news and rumours discussion to the Infinity subforum.

I feel like we're all specifically talking about the new releases that we just learned about (and which information is still coming out about). Isn't that explicitly what this thread is for?

 jake wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 firmlog wrote:
https://forum.corvusbelli.com

you register for it on the corvus belli website.

They were being sarcastic, i.e. saying take the non news and rumours discussion to the Infinity subforum.

I feel like we're all specifically talking about the new releases that we just learned about (and which information is still coming out about). Isn't that explicitly what this thread is for?

Mods used to keep a tighter rein on these tangents here, but theyre pretty lax right now.
We got on a good long diatribe against CB for letting existing sectorials become obsolete a few pages back. That was less newsy than min-maxing your weapon profiles.

And yet this thread is still better about being on-topic than the official forums...

That said, it would be nice for people to direct some of this discussion to the subforum here. It could use some love and attention!