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Hello, this is my first time posting to this forum.  I would like to say that it is really informative.  Now, to my question.

I am a new 40k player, and I chose Chaos.  I have the new codex as well.  

My friend, is playing Necrons.  Now, I was hoping someone could lay down a couple tactics at defeating the Necrons.  Right now, I have the Chaos Battleforce box.  Plus 8 CSM that I got as a gift.  What are some good tactics, should I buy some new units?  My friend has the Nightbringer, a monolith, a Necron lord, and the Necron Battleforce box.  I dont know how much he can use, right now (due to rules and points).   Like I said, I am new and any information is useful.

Thanks,

Kevin

The Necron battleforce box is about 750 points in models, plus a Lord and a Monolith, you're looking at 1250 max.  If you're friend brings a Nightbringer to this game, slap him, that's just ridiculous.

I play Necron and don't know CSM weapons that well, but here is what we Necron players don't like and some things to look out for.

Our skimmers are Destroyers and they put alot of firepower on the field, so try and take them out if you can ASAP.

Expect your friend to bring a Rez Orb which ensures We'll be back rolls for just about everything.   Expect lots of shooting and not much hand-to-hand.  The scarabs (if he uses them) are great at tying up Marines, which is a problem for you.

So, concentrate your fire power on the warriors, focusing on 1 squad at a time.  The more you kill the more WBB rolls he has to make, the more he loses.  Try to eliminate the Destroyers as soon as you can.  Ignore the Monolith.  Yes, ignore the Monolith.  Unless you have lots of lascannons and heavy weapons (and want to waste your time) then ignore it.  Use those highpowered, low AP (ie AP3, AP2) weapons to take out the Necron.  Necron, like marines have nice saves.  Take that away and they are relying on their WBB to stand them back up.  Eliminate enough of them and your opponent may use the Monolith to teleport the warriors to give them another WBB roll.  That means he's not using the particle whip, which is the Necron Ordnance weapon.

If you have hth guys (and if you have Khorne, you should), get into hth quickly as Necron are mediocre hth fighters.

Use templates against the scarabs as they are vulnerable to them.  Realize they move like jetbikes.

Whittle your opponent down to 25% of his Necron forces and he disappears.

Good luck

-Jmz

Here's a 1000 point army, made from the battleforce and the extra CSM squad you have:

HQ
Sorcerer - MoT, warptime, doombolt = 155

Elites
5 Possessed = 130

Troops
10 CSM - heavy bolter, plasma gun, AC w/ fist = 215
10 CSM - heavy bolter, plasma gun, AC w/ fist = 215
8 Berzerkers - 2 plasma pistols, AC w/ power weapon = 228
Rhino - extra armor = 50

Total: 993 points

Note that this isn't tooled to fit Necrons really, but more or less MEQ in general, so it's a decent core that you can build right now. The sorcerer would take some converting, but I'm positive you could do it with all the new extras on the CSM sprue. The cunning plan for each unit goes like this ...

Sorcerer - sits with a CSM squad, uses warptime to reroll doombolt hits & wounds (should reap 3+ save crons), and uses the force weapon if something with multiple wounds hits

CSM Squads - fire base, focused on elimating warriors or whatever. Important thing is that heavy bolters aren't THAT good that you can never move these guys. They're geared for combat as well as short range fire, so taking things close and personal IF the crons mistakenly advance is a possibility.

Berzerkers - can either ride up, hop out and cook plasma / pistols at short range, followed by charge next turn if they live, or advance with the rhino used as mobile cover to keep them from being gaussed to bits, then hit combat

Possessed - kinda comes down to what you roll, but pray for a movement power so they can avoid being gutted as well! But great models and you've got 'em so use 'em

- Salvage

Thanks, I really appreciate it. I didn't think he should bring the nightbringer, didnt seem fair at all. Really, I think the monolith is a bit much as well, just because I will have just about 1000pts. Thanks for the tips on the Necrons, I find those really helpful, as well as the info about the CSM. Were probably gonna play our first game later today. Thanks again.

Um, you do realise that you're supposed to play with the same amount of points, right? If he brings the Nightbringer and the Monolith at 1000 points, his phase out number will be ridiculously small.

Posted By tegeus-Cromis on 10/12/2007 2:00 PM
Um, you do realise that you're supposed to play with the same amount of points, right? If he brings the Nightbringer and the Monolith at 1000 points, his phase out number will be ridiculously small.

Oh no, I understand how to play (mostly anyway).  I am new and learning.  I was just looking for some tips for strategy is all.

I played a roughly thousand point game against cron for the first time yesterday with my chaos, and I could hardly believe what I was up against. He had 3 destroyers, a heavy destroyer, 3 wraiths, 8 Flayed Ones, and 20 warriors attached to a lord with res orb and veil of darkness (the teleporting thingy). I had 7 plaguemarines, 10 csm, 6 havocs, a pred, a nurgle daemon prince and 10 possessed.

We played a friendly game where we fought until there was only one team left, and I had to kill that heavy destroyer no less than SEVEN TIMES before it would stay dead thanks to WBB. But I can live with that. What I can't live with is how the Lord could teleport twenty warriors every turn, fire 40 s5 shots, and move the next turn before I can get close to him. The few times I did manage to get to the chop I managed to cut a few swathes through his crons, but most of them repaired. It seems to me that a t4 3+sv WBB unit with 2 24" s5 shots and Incredible mobility (with the lord) is incredibly tough.

How am I suposed to kill the damn things?

If it was an only one it was denied it's WBB



Warriors only fire S4.

Necrons are a pain though

... it had no WBB? AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHGGGGGGGG!!!!!
but thank you. Very much.

He said they all had gauss blasters. Can the basic warrior get those? Any my major gripe was the extreme mobility of the army, it wouldn't stay still long enough to be chopped. I'm still unhappy that they can warp out of CC.

But thanks a ton for the Heavy destroyer thing.

Can't you just look at his codex? It's all there.

Why would you ignore the Monolith?

It's changing the chance of Necrons surviving from 50% to 75%.

That said, at such a low points level, Phase Out should always be your goal, but the Monolith is counter to that goal, so ignoring it is a bad idea.

BYE

He was actually borrowing his brothers' army and he admitted that he didn't know all the necron rules properly.

It was very hard to phase out an army of roughly 36 models when 21 of those teleprted before they could be smacked by my nurgle prince. (that guy stood up to 9 Gauss Cannon shots, 40 Gauss blaster shots, 3 staff of light shots and a heap of CC attacks and he still refused to die!)

We called it quits by the end of turn 9 or 10. He had about 15 warriors and his lord left, I had a plague champ, an immobilised pred with one funtioning gun (that could only fire towards the table edge), 4 possesed (with FNP) and my nurgle prince.

My suggestion is to add some Obliterators.
Plasma cannons are NOT friendly to Necrons. Lascannons CAN hurt a Monolith.

Someone please remind me. It's been FOREVER since I played or played against necrons... If they DON'T get their Armor save, do they still get a shot at WBB? I know there was SOMETHING that could remove it. Was it insta-kill?

Also, I suggest, for the CSM's in the list someone posted above... make them "counts as" Thousand Sons. Their bolters are AP3.
Forget the possessed.They're overrated. Use them as Chosen.
The models rule, the rules drool. LOL

I have to admit it... I wasn't a fan of the new codex, as it totally changed the way that Chaos plays. I liked "Character-hammer" for chaos. I have to admit, though, with the exceptions of Demon Packs, Possessed and Spawn, they did a good job on it. I still HATE the layout, though.

Possessed are too unreliable for the points, Spawn have no armor saves, so get shot to dookie and the Demon Packs are just too weak to accomplish much. They're not tough enough to withstand shooting by shooty armies of HtH by Combat armies.
I DO like the generic Greater Demon, though.


Eric

They don't get their save from insta-kill or (i think) armour piercing weapons, unless there's a res orb.

Those oblits are a great Idea! when the crons teleport they are packed in tight from the deep strike, beging to take a plasma cannon or three.

Overrated possessed? I thought everyone hated them. IF they get FNP they take a LOT of killing with t4 3+/5+ and FNP. Shame you can't choose a daemonic gift

I try to avoid "counts as" and proxies, I know a guy who bought a heap of cheap green army men (you know the ones) that were made in China for a couple of bucks, and he claims to have an IG army.

Re: Possessed... that's the problem... IF they get FNP... If they get this... IF they get that...
You can't deploy them based on their abilities, because you don't get their abilities until AFTER deployment. IMO, they just aren't that tough or dependable to be worth the points sink.

"Yay! I have Feel no Pain!" Aw, CRUD! My expensive Possessed squad is fighting with sticks & stones!" LOL

Re: "Counts as" models... Only the most uptight gamer will insist that your Thousand sons have to be the models from the T-Sons boxed set. I'm saying to take your basic CSM models, model and paint them in the same scheme as you would a T-Son squad. Give the Champ a T-Sons icon and call them T-Sons.

I'm not saying that he should paint them Black Legion and "counts as" all the time. Maybe just in friendly games. While it wouldn't bother ME, it could lead to some annoying and confusing situations.

Now, where your friend is concerned, That's different. I'd just take one look at the army, tell him how awesome it is, concede the game, and go find someone else to play.


Eric

Posted By Teh_K42 on 11/06/2007 9:53 PM
They don't get their save from insta-kill or (i think) armour piercing weapons, unless there's a res orb.

WBB is negated by ignore armor (in CC only) and instakill. And yes, those weaknesses aren't there with a res orb.

Re: "Counts as" models... Only the most uptight gamer will insist that your Thousand sons have to be the models from the T-Sons boxed set. I'm saying to take your basic CSM models, model and paint them in the same scheme as you would a T-Son squad. Give the Champ a T-Sons icon and call them T-Sons.

I'm not saying that he should paint them Black Legion and "counts as" all the time. Maybe just in friendly games. While it wouldn't bother ME, it could lead to some annoying and confusing situations.

Ahhhh... actual modelling and effort involved. That's a different story. when I read/hear "counts as" I just assume the worst.

If you are playing small points, another thing to try would be a slaanesh sorcerer with "Lash of Submission".

You could then Lash all of his units out of monolith and res orb range, preferably right into your berzerkers.

Necron units need another friendly unit of the same type within 6" to be eligible for WBB. (And heavy destroyers don't count as regular destroyers and vice versa.)

With a Slaanesh sorcerer, you should be able to isolate his necrons and take them out without fear of Res Orbing and Monolithing, and you can just stay away from the Nightbringer.

I'd put a powerfist on your berzerker champ though.