Sisters of Battle 8th Edition Tactica

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**Amishprn86**

I LOVE my Seraphim i always play them, they have so far always got into melee turn 1 or 2 and done insane damage with the Inferno Pistols.

No one shoots them when there are 4 Doms in Repressors on the table and they are next to Celestine (+1 invul and then they will have to deal with her). starting them out of LoS if possible.

Doms are great, but Seraphim are a surgical scalpel that can fit in places Doms can not, and for me that is immensely important.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Lanlaorn wrote:
Have any Sisters armies been competitively successful without using Repressors?

I feel like they're basically the perfect example of the sort of thing people complain about when they complain about overpowered Forgeworld units and I don't want to be "that guy" who's converting an out of production Forgeworld-only unit with powerful, unique rules and an amazing statline.

Can Battle Sisters in Immolators move across the board quickly enough to reach an enemy gunline before they've torn the rest of my army apart (with the loss of efficiency of not having those units shoot out of fire ports) or would it be strictly Dominions for the vanguard move?

I use Immolators. [no FW in the local league where I am, at least for the time, but they've begun reconsidering that policy]. They work similarly well. You're more fragile, though, since you have to get out of it.

I have done very well. They do the same thing as Repressors, for all intents and purposes. I use a few with multimeltas and a few with flamers. Both variants I can say to have easily pulled their weight.

**Amishprn86**

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/2550/709691.page#9787299

Check it out... a bit oh hope.

**Lanlaorn**

Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Lanlaorn wrote:
Have any Sisters armies been competitively successful without using Repressors?

I feel like they're basically the perfect example of the sort of thing people complain about when they complain about overpowered Forgeworld units and I don't want to be "that guy" who's converting an out of production Forgeworld-only unit with powerful, unique rules and an amazing statline.

Can Battle Sisters in Immolators move across the board quickly enough to reach an enemy gunline before they've torn the rest of my army apart (with the loss of efficiency of not having those units shoot out of fire ports) or would it be strictly Dominions for the vanguard move?

I use Immolators. [no FW in the local league where I am, at least for the time, but they've begun reconsidering that policy]. They work similarly well. You're more fragile, though, since you have to get out of it.

I have done very well. They do the same thing as Repressors, for all intents and purposes. I use a few with multimeltas and a few with flamers. Both variants I can say to have easily pulled their weight.

What units do you usually load them with? All Dominators? I'm worried Battle Sisters will be too slow against a powerful gunline without that Vanguard move head start, but I'd like to use a couple Cannonesses. Thanks for sharing, I'm in a similar spot where there is no ban on FW but it's definitely frowned upon to bring their powerful units.

**Captain Joystick**

I honestly don't think of the Repressor when I think of forgeworld's 'big nasties', but it does have a number of advantages over the other Sororitas transports. It's price hike in chapter approved has mitigated this somewhat, as its points make it compete with the Immo only and the rhino has the affordable price thing locked down. On paper the immolator and the repressor then have some mixed advantages over each other, and while I think the repressor ultimately wins out as a transport for its ability to make otherwise fragile doms as sturdy as a vehicle, the immolator is able to deliver long-range flame attacks and therefore works as a charge deterrant. I'd still say if you aren't building your entire list around the abilities of the repressor it's still a better transport, but only just.

**Amishprn86**

I hate No FW crap. they are balanced the same of GW, some units are crap, others are good, most arent even played.

**Lanlaorn**

I don't want to have the Forge World argument here, suffice it to say that I don't want to be in the position of putting down a unit and having to explain "oh, this one is like an immolator, costs almost the same, but in exchange for a weaker flamer it fits 10 models, has more wounds, has a surprisingly good melee attack and oh, has the now unique and incredibly powerful ability to let six models shoot while inside of it."

So under that constraint, because I'm not comfortable being "that guy", I'm wondering how to put together the sisters army I've been slowly collecting for a year now, probably all Dominions in Flamer Immolators but I'd love to use Melta Immos and BSS if I thought they'd survive at all =/

**Amishprn86**

I just say its an Open top Rhino that cost over 100pts and everyone is like "Oh ok, thats cool, i wish my SM had that" and thats it.. lol

If you use an army that they never seen before, you have to have that say conversion anyways, or a new unit, etc... there are 100's of units, no one knows them all, thats why we have books.

**deviantduck**

Amishprn86 wrote:
I just say its an Open top Rhino that cost over 100pts and everyone is like "Oh ok, thats cool, i wish my SM had that" and thats it.. lol

I hand them the book and say have a quick read. It's has a lot of fire points with no exceptions for the guys inside. I can shoot out of it while it is locked in combat. Most people are familiar with it by now.

**Amishprn86**

If you dont want to play with it, thats fine. SOB still work without. Its just a completely different play style.

**dracpanzer**

I don't think its so much a difference between the Immolator or the Repressor after the CA point change for the Repressor. Both have their uses, and while the Repressor will keep your girls shooting AND safer, the Immolator packs quite a punch as well. For me, it comes down to the girls inside it. Neither are "wow thats good" when they have BSS in them. It's the 1 point we pay to have Dominions over taking BSS that makes all the difference. Vanguard is just such a great ability and really gives SoB the only thing demanding they get respect in 8ed.

Which means it'll probably get nuke nerfed if and when Sisters get a Dex.

**Amishprn86**

dracpanzer wrote:
I don't think its so much a difference between the Immolator or the Repressor after the CA point change for the Repressor. Both have their uses, and while the Repressor will keep your girls shooting AND safer, the Immolator packs quite a punch as well. For me, it comes down to the girls inside it. Neither are "wow thats good" when they have BSS in them. It's the 1 point we pay to have Dominions over taking BSS that makes all the difference. Vanguard is just such a great ability and really gives SoB the only thing demanding they get respect in 8ed.

Which means it'll probably get nuke nerfed if and when Sisters get a Dex.

This ^ i'm not going to play normal BSS until we get a dex and it gives us a reason too.

IDK if it will get nuked, SoB are not really dominating the scenes, GW might not care to much

**PanzerLeader**

@Lanloarn: here is what I took to Goldensprue. No repressors, no Dominions and still competitive. I’m making some tweaks but this is the core of my LVO list.

BN
Celestine
Canoness, Blade of Admonition, inferno pistol
2x9 BSS, double storm bolter
9 BSS, storm bolter
2x5 rets, 4 HB
8 seraphim, 4 inferno pistols
Rhino

Spearhead
Captain, Jump Pack, thunder hammer, storm bolter
5 Devs, 2 lascannon, missile, HB
3x auto cannon/lascannon predators

Vanguard
Inquisitor, force stave
Primaris Psyker
Imagifer
Ministorum Priest
8 arco flagellants

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Lanlaorn wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Lanlaorn wrote:
Have any Sisters armies been competitively successful without using Repressors?

I feel like they're basically the perfect example of the sort of thing people complain about when they complain about overpowered Forgeworld units and I don't want to be "that guy" who's converting an out of production Forgeworld-only unit with powerful, unique rules and an amazing statline.

Can Battle Sisters in Immolators move across the board quickly enough to reach an enemy gunline before they've torn the rest of my army apart (with the loss of efficiency of not having those units shoot out of fire ports) or would it be strictly Dominions for the vanguard move?

I use Immolators. [no FW in the local league where I am, at least for the time, but they've begun reconsidering that policy]. They work similarly well. You're more fragile, though, since you have to get out of it.

I have done very well. They do the same thing as Repressors, for all intents and purposes. I use a few with multimeltas and a few with flamers. Both variants I can say to have easily pulled their weight.

What units do you usually load them with? All Dominators? I'm worried Battle Sisters will be too slow against a powerful gunline without that Vanguard move head start, but I'd like to use a couple Cannonesses. Thanks for sharing, I'm in a similar spot where there is no ban on FW but it's definitely frowned upon to bring their powerful units.

All Dominions. Battle Sisters are not suited to being the offensive arm, Dominions are so much better for a few points more. Battle Sisters won't arrive until turn 2 and carry half the firepower.

As far as Cannonesses go, I field the minimum possible to unlock my detachments, and they hang out with Exorcists and Retributors in the back of the board.

**japehlio**

I was wondering what the general consensus was on bringing a dedicated CC unit? Between the three realistic choices of repentia/DCA and Arcos - assuming they're all backed by a priest, (I know none are especially outstanding) what do people generally bring?
Are they even worth bringing at all?
I just feel a little worried about the only melee threats being characters

**pretre**

japehlio wrote:
I was wondering what the general consensus was on bringing a dedicated CC unit? Between the three realistic choices of repentia/DCA and Arcos - assuming they're all backed by a priest, (I know none are especially outstanding) what do people generally bring?
Are they even worth bringing at all?
I just feel a little worried about the only melee threats being characters

That's kind of the idea though. If the only melee threats are characters, then it gives your shooty a bit of a breather and anytime you lose a melee threat, you get an AOF.

**Amishprn86**

I play a unit of Arco with a Priest, they normally get 50+ attacks, can kill Ork and nid blobs with them.

**PanzerLeader**

Amishprn86 wrote:
I play a unit of Arco with a Priest, they normally get 50+ attacks, can kill Ork and nid blobs with them.

This. Arcos plus Priest routinely generate enough wounds to wipe out even 10 model MEQ units like bezerkers.

**Giantwalkingchair**

Ive not fielded any dedicated cc units yet in 8th. Everything has been shooty and what characters i have. Though this weekend ill be getting some games in and will be trying a couple 6 crazies squads of arcos with priest, so shall see how that pans out.

Ive found great success in using bss. By using several squads of bss and only a sprinkling of seraphim and repressor doms. This is mostly due to necessity, i have only a handful of special and heavy weapons so i cant go all out on doms and ive only got 3 transports, 2 of which are immos. But ive found the one thing i can rely upon is my inability to get the first turn, so vanguard move is absolutely wasted for me. As such, even if i had plenty of spec weps, id still favour bss.

Im only casual player mind you as such i have a casual mindset and play like minded people.

**Amishprn86**

CC is by far the best phase in 8 IMO. I always play with it.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

japehlio wrote:
I was wondering what the general consensus was on bringing a dedicated CC unit? Between the three realistic choices of repentia/DCA and Arcos - assuming they're all backed by a priest, (I know none are especially outstanding) what do people generally bring?
Are they even worth bringing at all?
I just feel a little worried about the only melee threats being characters

I bring Seraphim to be a CQC threat. Close Quarters is very powerful, and you don't have to have melee weapons to get the most out of it.

In fact, it is my opinion that close combat weapons are usually points wasted. You get almost all the potential from CQC from being a warm body, but compared to a range weapon a CQC weapon is less efficient and less flexible.

Also, going into CQC with tanks works too. All you've got to do is get there and be able to survive 2 rounds of CQC.

**Amishprn86**

I do find myself always putting my Seraphim into CC right away lol.

I kinda wish all tanks had a fallback and shoot rule, but has to snapfire. I think more people would play with them and even take flamers, so many players i know wont take so many tanks for fear of being locked down.

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Amishprn86 wrote:
I do find myself always putting my Seraphim into CC right away lol.

I kinda wish all tanks had a fallback and shoot rule, but has to snapfire. I think more people would play with them and even take flamers, so many players i know wont take so many tanks for fear of being locked down.

Huh. I see tanks everywhere in my opponent's armies. I'd hazard between 4 and 10 tanks or tank-like things. What are your opponents bringing?

**Amishprn86**

CSM doesnt use any tanks
Eldar normally only 2 WS's the rest are Swooping hawks, Dark reapers, wraiths etc..
2 IG , 1 does have tanks, but the other is DKoK and he doesnt.
Daemons no tanks, just lots of bodies
We dont have much pure SM, but the few that are normally run Dev's, some jump guys (including Primaris) they have a few tanks, but never more than 3
A few Ork players, They have 2 Trucks that its (but they dont care if they get charged) they play with dreads/cans a lot and want them in melee
Tau player no tanks
Me and 1 other plays DE, but we both are not ATM b.c they just are not fun to play

Then there is me, I play Lots of tanks lol, either army i play its 6+, Harlequins, DE, SOB etc...

They do have tanks, but its normally 2-3 at the most, and those players dont expect them to last for more than 2 turns.
The 1 IG player tho does play with LOTS of them.

**davidgr33n**

The only Faction that I see with lots of tanks are the Guard players, most other factions players bring few to none.

I like vehicles, in my main list I take 6 Repressors, 2 Hellhounds and a Tank Commander. The Hellhounds especially are a little scary as I like to rush them right into my opponents lines hoping they’ll explode and cause havoc.

**Frowbakk**

I've been having fun converting up four Repressors and four Dialogus that don't look like Velma with TMJ.

Hopefully I'll get the paint finished on it soon, but since I'm not going to LVO it's not that time sensitive to start Martyring my way to victory.

Spoiler:

Comments/Questions/Snide Remarks?

**Paimon**

How are you planning to get your opponents to kill the Dialogus? And, once they've killed one, what's stopping them from sweeping the rest in the same phase, thereby negating their bonus?

**Frowbakk**

Paimon wrote:
How are you planning to get your opponents to kill the Dialogus? And, once they've killed one, what's stopping them from sweeping the rest in the same phase, thereby negating their bonus?

Turn one, one Dialogus advances as far forward as she can (possibly even using an Act of Faith to move twice toward the enemy and charge into combat if at all possible). One Canoness and the Imagifer stick with the HB Retributors to buff the firebase. The other Dialoogus hide inside the MM Immolators and pop out as needed while the remaining Canoness hides behind the hulls of the MM Immolators and Storm-Bolter laden Repressors to give out the re-roll 1's aura.

**davidgr33n**

Frowbakk wrote:
Paimon wrote:
How are you planning to get your opponents to kill the Dialogus? And, once they've killed one, what's stopping them from sweeping the rest in the same phase, thereby negating their bonus?

Turn one, one Dialogus advances as far forward as she can (possibly even using an Act of Faith to move twice toward the enemy and charge into combat if at all possible). One Canoness and the Imagifer stick with the HB Retributors to buff the firebase. The other Dialoogus hide inside the MM Immolators and pop out as needed while the remaining Canoness hides behind the hulls of the MM Immolators and Storm-Bolter laden Repressors to give out the re-roll 1's aura.

I’m sure it’s been discussed here before, but it might be worth the extra 25 points per to change a few dialogus to Imagifiers- at least with the Imagifiers you get some utility with the chance at another AoF until they’re killed. I don’t use character shenanigans with my Force, but a savvy player will know to target as many of your characters as possible on the same turn to avoid giving free AoFs.

**Melissia**

So now that Celestine is available on her own (well, her and 2 geminae of course), who's planning on buying a box?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Celestine-The-Living-Saint-2018
(you can tell it's a lazy reboxing because they have "Space Marine" in the url)

It's a little tempting for me, though I no longer really play Sisters. I like the new model, I just didn't want to get the triuumvirate...