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 Melissia wrote:
So now that Celestine is available on her own (well, her and 2 geminae of course), who's planning on buying a box?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Celestine-The-Living-Saint-2018
(you can tell it's a lazy reboxing because they have "Space Marine" in the url)

It's a little tempting for me, though I no longer really play Sisters. I like the new model, I just didn't want to get the triuumvirate...

I already bought her in the box setlol, i dont need another i have have 5 old metal ones.....

 Melissia wrote:
So now that Celestine is available on her own (well, her and 2 geminae of course), who's planning on buying a box?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Celestine-The-Living-Saint-2018
(you can tell it's a lazy reboxing because they have "Space Marine" in the url)

It's a little tempting for me, though I no longer really play Sisters. I like the new model, I just didn't want to get the triuumvirate...

Just curious why you’re not playing Sisters anymore...

 davidgr33n wrote:
Just curious why you’re not playing Sisters anymore...

Because GW hasn't given me anything new to buy, assemble, and paint in 20 years other than the new Celestine and the blanchian canoness model.

The changes to the rules, while welcome, just aren't enough on their own to keep the army exciting to play for years on end. If we get a new range of Sisters, I'll probably get back in to collecting them-- I mean, at the rate GW is going, I'll have a job, a coupe promotions, and quite a bit of savings anyway by the time we get plastic Sisters of Battle.

Already got her in the box due to impatience last year. Wish id waited a little longer now.
If GW ever lets us have customizable saints as an elite or HQ choice that caan be made into an equivalent of that model, id be all over buying several more of her. As it is i can only ever use my old metal one or new plastic one. Pointless to have multiple right now.

 Melissia wrote:

 davidgr33n wrote:
Just curious why you’re not playing Sisters anymore...

Because GW hasn't given me anything new to buy, assemble, and paint in 20 years other than the new Celestine and the blanchian canoness model.

The changes to the rules, while welcome, just aren't enough on their own to keep the army exciting to play for years on end. If we get a new range of Sisters, I'll probably get back in to collecting them-- I mean, at the rate GW is going, I'll have a job, a coupe promotions, and quite a bit of savings anyway by the time we get plastic Sisters of Battle.

Or even kids and grandkids lol

I totally agree. I’ve been collecting sisters since the late 90s and they can get boring to play pure.

Already have the plastic St C and two metal - bit of a stretch to get another but might do and have her painted in different colours

Ok folks -- I am digging the girls out of storage and going up against DE soon. Ironic, since DE are my other main...I don't know how to actually counter them with sisters. Need 2K list, named characters allowed but cannot be warlord.

Off hand:
8 immolators
2 excorcists
2 repressors
2 lightning strike fighters
2 avengers

20 melta girls
80 bolters
5 heavy bolters
celestine + gem
20 seraphim (5 inferno)
Jacobus


I know there is more somewhere, but I will start there.

 Melissia wrote:
So now that Celestine is available on her own (well, her and 2 geminae of course), who's planning on buying a box?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Celestine-The-Living-Saint-2018
(you can tell it's a lazy reboxing because they have "Space Marine" in the url)

It's a little tempting for me, though I no longer really play Sisters. I like the new model, I just didn't want to get the triuumvirate...

I prefer my the original Celestine plus two Seraphim Superiors as Geminae. Nothing wrong with the new sculpt, I like that they kept the aesthetic intact, they just look way too busy when mixed in with Seraphim and Sisters IMO.

I'm comparing two possible Sisters+Scions TAC lists at 2000, a full Brigade vs. Battalion/Vanguard/Outrider/Spearhead. I'm wondering which one is TACkier (see what I did there?). The basic selection of units and the core tactics are the same.

The main question is the value of trading away 3 CP and 2x naked BSS to gain a Rhino for the 10 Stormbolter Doms and the Stormtroopers doctrine (extra shots on 6s) for the 20 Scions.

I'm leaning towards the Brigade. The screening BSS units in the backfield are useful, the CA strategems make me want the extra CP, I think I'm okay with SB Doms hoofing it into range, and the Scions doctrine doesn't seem like a game changer. I'm totally open to counterarguments.

Mixed Brigade, 12 CP


Battalion/Vanguard/Outrider/Spearhead, 9 CP

 japehlio wrote:
I was wondering what the general consensus was on bringing a dedicated CC unit? Between the three realistic choices of repentia/DCA and Arcos - assuming they're all backed by a priest, (I know none are especially outstanding) what do people generally bring?
Are they even worth bringing at all?
I just feel a little worried about the only melee threats being characters

Got that game in using the arcos. They were going up against marines so they got tested pretty hard. Against MEQ id deacribe their capabilities as...adequate. MEQ isnt their ideal target, but theyll get the job done well enough. I had them in squads of 6 back up by a priest and they were averaging 35+ attacks, about 29 hits with the rerolls, around 12-16 wounds and about 5 resulting failed saves.
Their 5++ is great and 2 wounds is just icing on the cake.
Only lost one arco in combat and another 3 to an exploding razorback that asdaulted them.

They do slow tthe game down. Rolling 18 d3 and adding it up then rolling all those dice and rerolling failed hits can take so me time. Ended up doing things in groups of 10 dice to speed things along.

These guys are definately the mob killers. Overall i am satisfied with how they performed and may consider using them more often in future.

We’re they in a rhino or just moving up the board on foot?

@mcphail: the 9 CP list is better. It unlocks doctrines and stratagems which give you the abilities to be more all comer.

PanzerLeader wrote:
@mcphail: the 9 CP list is better. It unlocks doctrines and stratagems which give you the abilities to be more all comer.

I must be missing an advantage. What do I unlock with a dedicated Militarum Tempestus detachment beyond the extra shots on 6s? Are there sweet AM codex strategems that I couldn't access otherwise? I haven't done much with AM other than Scions.

Thanks!

Are you arming your Scions with melta / plasma?
If you take the Scion detachment as your Warlord they have several good Traits you could use.
I take a Tallarn detachment which I equip with mostly plasma and melta, and give the Warlord the Old Grudges trait (it gives all detachment units within 6” of the Warlord rerolls of wounds against a preferred enemy).

 davidgr33n wrote:
Are you arming your Scions with melta / plasma?
If you take the Scion detachment as your Warlord they have several good Traits you could use.
I take a Tallarn detachment which I equip with mostly plasma and melta, and give the Warlord the Old Grudges trait (it gives all detachment units within 6” of the Warlord rerolls of wounds against a preferred enemy).

4x squads with plasma/plasma/plasma pistol plus 2x primes with rods. I usually split them to either side of the opponent's backfield unless there's a clear target for saturation. My melta Doms usually handle the big armor leaving Scions to target medium and heavy infantry, bikes, etc.

I'm a little reluctant to go warlord because theyre so aggressive. WL is much more reliably the backfield canoness with the HB Rets.

Um, aren't you only allowed 3 detachments at 2k?

I don't have my rulebook right now, but IIRC it's 1 from 1-999, 2 from 1000-1999, and 3 from 2000-2999, and whatever goes past 3k.

Reading through the section on detachments, it looks like there isn't a limit on how many you can take. The limits seem to be set by tournament groups, rather then the rule book itself.

 Mmmpi wrote:
Reading through the section on detachments, it looks like there isn't a limit on how many you can take. The limits seem to be set by tournament groups, rather then the rule book itself.

BRB pg 214 1,001-2,000 Up to 3 per army "For organised events"

IVIOOSE wrote:
We’re they in a rhino or just moving up the board on foot?

They were in a rhino with a priest and a hereticus inquisitor with Terrify. Got into combat 2nd turn.

Anyone planning on running any of the new custodes?

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:
Reading through the section on detachments, it looks like there isn't a limit on how many you can take. The limits seem to be set by tournament groups, rather then the rule book itself.

BRB pg 214 1,001-2,000 Up to 3 per army "For organised events"

Your right, I was looking in the wrong spot.

 davidgr33n wrote:
Are you arming your Scions with melta / plasma?
If you take the Scion detachment as your Warlord they have several good Traits you could use.
I take a Tallarn detachment which I equip with mostly plasma and melta, and give the Warlord the Old Grudges trait (it gives all detachment units within 6” of the Warlord rerolls of wounds against a preferred enemy).

You would also loose the rather fine Relic sword for the Canoness IIRC.

 deviantduck wrote:
Anyone planning on running any of the new custodes?

Yes, i'm going Shield Captain on Bike with a Bike unit. I only like the bikes.

 deviantduck wrote:
Anyone planning on running any of the new custodes?

Not in a Sisters list, but maybe on their own. I kind of like them. Not the bikes, and I'm not sold on the Terminators, but I do like to regular guys and I really like the grav-tank.

I'm not sold their their efficacy on their own, though, which makes me hesitant to buy more of them, and I'm almost 100% certain that a detachment of them would weaken my Sisters, Guard, or Space Wolves army.

The bikes seem like a good TWC replacement, since I ran wolf heavy in 7th. They may give me that feeling again.

@mcphail: you get access to the Guard relic stratagem, combined squads, second order (they stack), 5+ overwatch, d3 morale test, and old school interceptor. Plus the sisters deny and martyrdom stratagems. It’s just a bunch of tactical options on top of storm trooper doctrine.

PanzerLeader wrote:
@mcphail: you get access to the Guard relic stratagem, combined squads, second order (they stack), 5+ overwatch, d3 morale test, and old school interceptor. Plus the sisters deny and martyrdom stratagems. It’s just a bunch of tactical options on top of storm trooper doctrine.

Very cool... sounds like I need to get my nose into a Guard 'dex. I committed to Scions at the end of 7th and I've been pretty content with them in 8th, but I've never looked beyond their Doctrine. So whatever allows the second order allows you to order a single unit twice? That sounds like it might be the most devastating of the lot. Thanks!

Its the Inspired Tactics stratagem. Orders no longer require you to shoot immediately after issuing so you can give a unit reroll ones and something else.

EDIT: I misread it. It doesn’t override the one order per turn restriction. It’s just a bonus order for the officer. You could use it to have one commander give three orders if needed.

Unfortunately, that upgrade only goes on the Stormtrooper officer (Tempestus officer), so it maxes at two orders.

So I have a tourney coming up in a few weeks, and I was thinking about bringing something along these lines:



So I have about 100 points left, any suggestions on cuts/units to take? It's (IMO) got a pretty decent mix of anti tank, horde control and mobility.
I was thinking of squeezing in a second Immolator, or I could buy second heavy flamers for the repressors and a few upgrades.