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Mr. Grey wrote: Are any of these available via general retail yet, and if so, what's the rough price point per lance/box? I'm having some powerful BattleTech nostalgia all of a sudden.
Retailer backers of the KS had all the Wave 1 stuff, and the first four ForcePacks had a limited release -
Inner Sphere Command Lance: Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, and Stinger.
Clan Command Star: Dire Wolf, Summoner, Stormcrow, Mist Lynx, Shadow Cat
Inner Sphere Battle Lance: Warhammer, Rifleman, Phoenix Hawk, Wasp
Clan Heavy Striker Star: Gargoyle, Hellbringer, Mad Dog, Ice Ferret, and Viper
In the UK the only box still in stock anywhere is the Clan Elemental Star.
Zatu have had a recent restock of the Clan Invasion box set. It's now saying 5+ available
Mr. Grey wrote: Are any of these available via general retail yet, and if so, what's the rough price point per lance/box? I'm having some powerful BattleTech nostalgia all of a sudden.
Lances are $20, Stars are $25.
Things are a bit weird though as there is a bit of a drip-feed going, with some places getting some stuff early or randomly. I'm kicking myself for not getting an Elemental Star off the shelf at my FLIS, as it's basically a crapshoot of when it will finally release en masse.
Right now though?
You can relatively reliably find:
Clan Invasion box $49.99
Clan Command Star $24.99
Clan Heavy Striker Star $24.99
Inner Sphere Command Lance $19.99
The Inner Sphere Battle Lance and Clan Elemental Star both had a release back in February/March...and then got relegated right back to "Preorder" status on Miniature Market and a few other spots I keep an eye on things. No idea why that happened.
Yeah I looked around a bit, $20-25ish retail is a bargain. Some really cool looking Mechs there. Maybe a bit later this year I'll dive back into Battletech.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It looks weird because it's very compact and curvy/smooth. I'm used to the more boxy style, either artwork of miniature.
It's instantly recognisable as a Jenner as a Jenner has a unique silhouette.
You are doing it wrong. 3025 mechs should be compared to the engineers style ink drawings from the 3025 book. Accept no substitutes, excepting minor changes to not completely replicate the unseen.
And the Nova Cat is great. The Nova Cat A especially.
It is still a filthy cat in a 3050 star. I cannot complain they did do all the 3050 designs, but grognards do as grognards do.
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Mr. Grey wrote: Yeah I looked around a bit, $20-25ish retail is a bargain. Some really cool looking Mechs there. Maybe a bit later this year I'll dive back into Battletech.
Are you wanting Sphere or Clan? Don't forget that there's three "starter" products. Clan Invasion boxed set, "generic" Battletech boxed set, and the Beginner box.
The Beginner box is available for $19.99 and gets you two mechs, one of which(I want to say the Griffin?) is exclusive just to it. Can nab it from Barnes and Noble even.
The rumor comes from the comments section of the kickstarter itself, Catalyst posted that that was the plan for the next kickstarter sometime around the time the current kickstarter ended.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Mr. Grey wrote: Yeah I looked around a bit, $20-25ish retail is a bargain. Some really cool looking Mechs there. Maybe a bit later this year I'll dive back into Battletech.
Are you wanting Sphere or Clan? Don't forget that there's three "starter" products. Clan Invasion boxed set, "generic" Battletech boxed set, and the Beginner box.
The Beginner box is available for $19.99 and gets you two mechs, one of which(I want to say the Griffin?) is exclusive just to it. Can nab it from Barnes and Noble even.
Inner Sphere all the way. I don't even know what products are out there, so I wasn't aware of any starter products at all. I last played BattleTech probably 15 years ago. Have heard of Alpha Strike but don't exactly know what that is. My preference would be for the "classic" rules, if those are even still a thing.
Inner Sphere all the way. I don't even know what products are out there, so I wasn't aware of any starter products at all. I last played BattleTech probably 15 years ago. Have heard of Alpha Strike but don't exactly know what that is. My preference would be for the "classic" rules, if those are even still a thing.
Okay so:
Beginner Box. It's a Griffin and Wolverine, with Griffin being exclusive to the set as far as I know.
Spoiler:
A Game of Armored Combat(from what I've been told, this is "classic"? I never was into Battletech until the past few years, so cannot comment!)
Spoiler:
AGoAC gets you a Wolverine, Locust, Battlemaster, Awesome, Thunderbolt, Commando, Shadow Hawk, and Catapult.
Alpha Strike, from my understanding, is meant to be a bit faster playing but also larger in scope.
BattleTech has had the same basic rules since the earliest days with tweaks along the way. The MechWarrior: Dark Age was a collectible miniature "clix" game from Wizkids was the 'core' game after FASA closed shop, with the traditional pen and paper game continuing via a license as Classic BattleTech. Wizkids was acquired by Topps and made a division of that company. MechWarrior was put on hiatus in early 2008 and the Wizkids brand was closed shortly thereafter. At that time, the 'Classic' nomenclature was dropped from all new products produced by InMediaRes Productions who has the BattleTech license since 2007.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Inner Sphere all the way. I don't even know what products are out there, so I wasn't aware of any starter products at all. I last played BattleTech probably 15 years ago. Have heard of Alpha Strike but don't exactly know what that is. My preference would be for the "classic" rules, if those are even still a thing.
Okay so:
Beginner Box. It's a Griffin and Wolverine, with Griffin being exclusive to the set as far as I know.
Spoiler:
A Game of Armored Combat(from what I've been told, this is "classic"? I never was into Battletech until the past few years, so cannot comment!)
Spoiler:
AGoAC gets you a Wolverine, Locust, Battlemaster, Awesome, Thunderbolt, Commando, Shadow Hawk, and Catapult.
Alpha Strike, from my understanding, is meant to be a bit faster playing but also larger in scope.
I bought two Retaliation boxes, would have bought three but could not afford. Each includes the ten mechs from both the Beginner and Inner Sphere sets, including two Wolverines. It was the best bargain in the kickstarter and includes many of the best designs.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I still don't understand why they went double Wolverines.
Because it includes all the mechs from both boxsets. If they didn't include the second Wolverine people might complain.
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Orlanth wrote: Because it includes all the mechs from both boxsets. If they didn't include the second Wolverine people might complain.
Not the point I'm making. I'm wondering why they put a Wolverine in each box. It's not as if the Beginner's Box just has 2 of the 8 'Mechs from the main box; the Griffin is unique to that box, but both boxes have a Wolverine.
Why do 10 'Mechs, but one of them is a duplicate of one that's already there?
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Orlanth wrote: Because it includes all the mechs from both boxsets. If they didn't include the second Wolverine people might complain.
Not the point I'm making. I'm wondering why they put a Wolverine in each box. It's not as if the Beginner's Box just has 2 of the 8 'Mechs from the main box; the Griffin is unique to that box, but both boxes have a Wolverine.
Why do 10 'Mechs, but one of them is a duplicate of one that's already there?
Had the molds already, it bulked out the number of models in the larger box, and most people don’t care if they have duplicates of some models.
Also not sure game wise if it is used by multiple factions, or just one army, I’m still far too new to Battletech.
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The beauty of Battletech, I guess, is that for the most part any faction can use almost any unit, aside from the distinction between Clan mechs and Inner Sphere mechs (and as I understand it, even that eventually falls by the wayside to some extent and you find both sides using salvaged versions of eachothers equipment), so I really think it was a basic business decision, they saved $20k by not having to cut molds for a second mech in the beginner box which allowed them to hit their $19.99 price point.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
chaos0xomega wrote: The beauty of Battletech, I guess, is that for the most part any faction can use almost any unit, aside from the distinction between Clan mechs and Inner Sphere mechs (and as I understand it, even that eventually falls by the wayside to some extent and you find both sides using salvaged versions of eachothers equipment), so I really think it was a basic business decision, they saved $20k by not having to cut molds for a second mech in the beginner box which allowed them to hit their $19.99 price point.
Our group honestly always used to play with proxies. Oh, we have all these random plastic mechs from old starters, and a few of the metal minis as well. Cool. Well, this Warhammer is gonna be an Atlas today because we don't have an actual Atlas mini. And so on. Which is kind of why I'm excited about these new plastics(I didn't get a chance to back the Kickstarter, but that's ok); if anything I'd love to just play using the actual designs, regardless of whether the mechs are "good" or not. Just have fun and blow up big stompy robots.
Orlanth wrote: Because it includes all the mechs from both boxsets. If they didn't include the second Wolverine people might complain.
Not the point I'm making. I'm wondering why they put a Wolverine in each box. It's not as if the Beginner's Box just has 2 of the 8 'Mechs from the main box; the Griffin is unique to that box, but both boxes have a Wolverine.
Why do 10 'Mechs, but one of them is a duplicate of one that's already there?
Maybe there was a late production failure* for one sculpt which needed a fast replacement.
Not a satisfactory answer, but best I can come up with. They might simply not cared.
*A Games Workshop term for when one gets to production mold stage before the sculpt fails. It is the worst form of failure as full design costs are sunk. I know this happened with the dwarf General and Battle standard set in about 2006 which is why this faction never had generic lord/hero plastic character minis despite an extensive overhaul.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
chaos0xomega wrote:The beauty of Battletech, I guess, is that for the most part any faction can use almost any unit, aside from the distinction between Clan mechs and Inner Sphere mechs (and as I understand it, even that eventually falls by the wayside to some extent and you find both sides using salvaged versions of eachothers equipment), so I really think it was a basic business decision, they saved $20k by not having to cut molds for a second mech in the beginner box which allowed them to hit their $19.99 price point.
There are some Mechs, not all Factions have. Examples:
Raven: Only Used by Capella /Liao, maybe by St.Ives Compact (Succession War Era / Clan Invasion Era))
Catapult: Not in use by the Lyrans / Steiner
Old Star League Mechs: are mostly only used by ComStar until the End of the Clan Invasion Era. Some are used by the Clans in 3rd Line Reserve Units.
Orlanth wrote:Maybe there was a late production failure* for one sculpt which needed a fast replacement.
Not a satisfactory answer, but best I can come up with. They might simply not cared.
*A Games Workshop term for when one gets to production mold stage before the sculpt fails. It is the worst form of failure as full design costs are sunk. I know this happened with the dwarf General and Battle standard set in about 2006 which is why this faction never had generic lord/hero plastic character minis despite an extensive overhaul.
The Ork Warrior for 40k in 2008 had also issues in Production.
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All models and starter boxes are system agnostic- they work with Alpha Strike or CBT. A mech is a mech, and works fine in either one. The starter boxes (both of them, and the Clan Invasion expansion box) contain record sheets for classic Battletech, and cards for Alpha Strike.
The Force Packs (Lance Packs, and Star Packs) have mechs you can use in both games, and the cards for Alpha Strike, but they do not have the record sheets. With a modicum of effort you can pull these from programs such as solaris skunkwerks, or you can buy the Battletech Record Sheets- Succession Wars which would give you all the Inner Sphere mechs from "Record Sheets: 3039 Unabridged, Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrade Unabridged-Clan & Star League, Record Sheets: 3058 Unabridged, and Record Sheets: 3075 Unabridged."
Essentially, anything Inner Sphere post succession war and pre-Dark Age.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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Gitzbitah wrote: The Force Packs (Lance Packs, and Star Packs) have mechs you can use in both games, and the cards for Alpha Strike, but they do not have the record sheets.
chaos0xomega wrote:The beauty of Battletech, I guess, is that for the most part any faction can use almost any unit, aside from the distinction between Clan mechs and Inner Sphere mechs (and as I understand it, even that eventually falls by the wayside to some extent and you find both sides using salvaged versions of eachothers equipment), so I really think it was a basic business decision, they saved $20k by not having to cut molds for a second mech in the beginner box which allowed them to hit their $19.99 price point.
There are some Mechs, not all Factions have. Examples:
Raven: Only Used by Capella /Liao, maybe by St.Ives Compact (Succession War Era / Clan Invasion Era))
Catapult: Not in use by the Lyrans / Steiner
Old Star League Mechs: are mostly only used by ComStar until the End of the Clan Invasion Era. Some are used by the Clans in 3rd Line Reserve Units.
It is a given that any sizable faction can obtain at least one of any normal Clan or IS design. Though Clans will not normally use the IS mechs they capture in battle.
Raven was considered a Davion mech by many due to the large numbers that were captured in the fourth Succession War. Lyrans certainly did have Catapults in small numbers, and they were featured in several mercenary units under long term Lyran employ. Star League mechs were available throughout, but the lostech was usually gone.
Several designs are listed as near extinct, good example being the Javelin. This never prevents an IS player from either major or minor faction from fielding one. Just dont spam them.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Good call, beast_gts! I didn't know they'd put those record sheets on the website. That's a much better way to get started.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
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