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Unless their delay is because they are getting new models and GW is holding off onthe cards till then? Though if they are getting White Dwarf rules then it seems really odd since that suggests a delay of several months.

Another thing to consider is could they give the cards away as a freebie on the front of the magazine? A neat way to coax people into Fyreslayers and the game - more so than just printed text in the book itself.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:


Displeased at Maggotkin only getting 5 cards, but if the cards are well designed it could be enough. Worst case scenario it isn't like my group won't let me run daemons & rotbringers in the same band.

Since they announced Daemons and Mortals would be separate for the cardpacks, what did you expect ? At most, they would have gotten 6 cards with a Pusgoyle Blightlord leader (miniatures for AoS don't have any standard nor musician, anyway).

I'm also a bit sad not to be able to put my leader on a giant fly, but I can live with it.

As for the faction and looking from what they've done for the Lord of Plagues and Lord of Blight and from the aptitude card, it's not hard to foresee that the band will be a very slow, elite one. The bell guy will be able to boost their move a bit, but not to Ironjaws levels.

I expected something along the lines of;
-Blightlord w/two weapons
-Blightlord w/shield
-Blightking w/giant bell
-Blightking w/bell flail & additional weapon
-Blightking w/bell flail & shield
-Blightking w/banner & weapon
-Blightking w/banner & shield
-Blightking w/two weapons
-Blightking w/shield
-Pusgoyle
-Pusgoyle w/bell

Pusgoyles are all blightlords so would expect them to both have the leader runemark (counterbalancing such a large model with there only being one of it).

But at the end of the day I went from having no rules for my Rotbringers to having rules for Rotbringers and I'm pretty happy about that.

Yay, Fyreslayers are in a White Dwarf that you have to grab or it will be impossible to find! Another wonderfully advised WD-only game supplement in the vein of two-part skirmish rules and the like!

Grrr.....why would they not just be a card pack?

And are there even cards or are they just printed on the pages? Since the image doesn't show the WD in any kind of wrapping I assume the latter.

I’m guessing the rules will be over 2 pages with Tome of Champion style boxes for each fighter “card” so no cards as such.

Well hopefully GW will release a PDF of the Fireslayer's for free once the following month's WD comes around. I'm not really into the Fireslayer's but it would be a huge bummer if you were a big Fireslayer fan who starts the game this Summer, but have to wait until December to get your rules in the yearly annual.

AegisGrimm wrote:Yay, Fyreslayers are in a White Dwarf that you have to grab or it will be impossible to find! Another wonderfully advised WD-only game supplement in the vein of two-part skirmish rules and the like!

Grrr.....why would they not just be a card pack?

Sabotage! wrote:Well hopefully GW will release a PDF of the Fireslayer's for free once the following month's WD comes around. I'm not really into the Fireslayer's but it would be a huge bummer if you were a big Fireslayer fan who starts the game this Summer, but have to wait until December to get your rules in the yearly annual.

If I remember correctly last year's non-Chaos warbands (e.g. Gloomspite Gitz, Idoneth Deepkin, Ironjawz, etc.) had their card packs disappear shortly after their release only to show up at the end of the year in the Tome of Champions. I expect the same here for the new warbands (including Fyreslayers).

 Ghaz wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:Yay, Fyreslayers are in a White Dwarf that you have to grab or it will be impossible to find! Another wonderfully advised WD-only game supplement in the vein of two-part skirmish rules and the like!

Grrr.....why would they not just be a card pack?

Sabotage! wrote:Well hopefully GW will release a PDF of the Fireslayer's for free once the following month's WD comes around. I'm not really into the Fireslayer's but it would be a huge bummer if you were a big Fireslayer fan who starts the game this Summer, but have to wait until December to get your rules in the yearly annual.

If I remember correctly last year's non-Chaos warbands (e.g. Gloomspite Gitz, Idoneth Deepkin, Ironjawz, etc.) had their card packs disappear shortly after their release only to show up at the end of the year in the Tome of Champions. I expect the same here for the new warbands (including Fyreslayers).

Which was great in the end, but really sucked trying to get into the game when they sold out almost immediately, and the only way to get them was to pay exorbitant prices online. It's why I never got into warcry before now. I really wanted to dip my toes in with models I already owned and had painted, but wasn't about to pay 25-30 bucks or more for cards to play my Stormcast.

I'm really hoping the new card packs last longer this time. I'm really tired of GW introducing artificial demand when they produce too-small runs (and then never reprint) of stuff when they know absolutely well that a larger run would sell just as well, just so they can play their old game of yelling "Yay, this game is so insanely popular it sold out completely in 24 hours!!" which started all the way back in the days of Space Hulk 3e.

 Ghaz wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:Yay, Fyreslayers are in a White Dwarf that you have to grab or it will be impossible to find! Another wonderfully advised WD-only game supplement in the vein of two-part skirmish rules and the like!

Grrr.....why would they not just be a card pack?

Sabotage! wrote:Well hopefully GW will release a PDF of the Fireslayer's for free once the following month's WD comes around. I'm not really into the Fireslayer's but it would be a huge bummer if you were a big Fireslayer fan who starts the game this Summer, but have to wait until December to get your rules in the yearly annual.

If I remember correctly last year's non-Chaos warbands (e.g. Gloomspite Gitz, Idoneth Deepkin, Ironjawz, etc.) had their card packs disappear shortly after their release only to show up at the end of the year in the Tome of Champions. I expect the same here for the new warbands (including Fyreslayers).

Yeah, it's what happened last time, I'm just hoping it doesn't this time because it kind of leaves players that want to pick up the game with their favorite faction in a lurch for 10ish months. At least this time you can buy the backorder issue of WD digitally, though GW digital stuff is terribly formatted for pretty much anything other than an Ipad (at least it was about 2 years ago last time I bought digital from them), so if you don't have one of those you are stuck waiting.

I feel this is a really bad move by GW. It generates resentment among the customer base (even those not playing Fyreslayers), adds additional barrier to entry for players wanting to Fyreslay in Warcry, will reduce the supply of White Dwarf for people who want it for every other reason, is essentially a giant sign reading "PIRATE ME" (and generates a culture of pirating rules), and there's no way it can be generating that much income compared to just printing the dam cards. While relatively small in the grand scheme of things I think the cost to benefit ratio is absolutely horrid.

 DaveC wrote:
I’m guessing the rules will be over 2 pages with Tome of Champion style boxes for each fighter “card” so no cards as such.

It's even dumber than that... The pages have the cards on so you can cut them out (*yay!*). Except the main Abilities card is on the back of one of the pages so you either need two copies of WD to create the cards, or photocopy/scan it, otherwise you can't have all the cards *face/palm*. Whoever laid out the pages needs a slap.

They have 10 different fighter cards spread across Hearthguard Berzerkers, Auric Hearthguard and Vulkite Berzerkers

What an asinine release. Luckily they're also the weakest faction by a large margin, so nobody will be inclined to torture themselves with the WD "cards".

Bah, it's not meant to be cut directly from your white dwarf. It's meant to be scanned or copied.





Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAn_OmuMkOQ

Still a good old dumb Geedub move. I pay for the White Dwarf, and then have to burn my own printer ink to make the cards in full color, as opposed to paying less than both those options if I could just buy them like the other sets.

I still think the only sound reason not to have them in card format is because of an impending release for them which adds new models so you delay the cards so that you only have one printing of them.

That is the positive spin on things; and lets face it Fyreslayers are one of the smaller AoS factions so they've plenty of room to add new models.



The negative spin is that its a short term attention grab for White Dwarf; but a poor one. A better move, if that were the focus to get more people buying WD; would have been to put the card pack for free on the front of the magazine. A bit more complex logistically, but not impossible for GW to achieve and it would have generated way more interest in Warcry, White Dwarf and Fyreslayers all in one go. Far more so than a printer-page in the magazine.

Garro has clearer images of the Fyreslayer cards on his Facebook page

https://m.facebook.com/pg/Garro30k/photos/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0

I wonder if they just couldn't get enough of a print slot to get the FS cards done (without printing fewer of the others?)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if they just couldn't get enough of a print slot to get the FS cards done (without printing fewer of the others?)

It would seem very odd if they couldn't. Plus if that were the case surely a better answer would have been to break it into two further shipments. They could easily have hived half the demon armies (at least 3 of them since Slaanesh is just one set) and then had a set of four or five of the card packs sent in a months time or such. Whilst it breaks things up, cardpacks easily ship and sit alongside other products.

Of course it very hard to know and GW does seem to have problems with stocking their cards. It's really odd that they keep pushing cards when they can't seem to keep the system working as smoothly as it could.

I'm really hoping it's the theory of Fyreslayers being expanded with new models sometime soon. I have always thought they would be a cool army, but they are so monochromatic, even in a skirmish setting. Some units that aren't just differently armed slayers would spice them up as a faction.

Some of the new cards

https://imgur.com/gallery/Bgk05Q7

Rotbringers just get odder 2 of your 5 cards are the Blighted Icon Bearer and the Sonorous Tocsin and both are pretty much an autoincludes as they buff toughness and movement to friendlies within 6 inches, Blightkings have 1 card regardless of weapons as the picture shows a shield but the toughness remains 4 across the board shield or not at least the 2 Blightkings from the Wurmspat will fit right in. No Lord of Afflictions despite the image on the abilities card so an all flyboys list isn't possible. Still I'll be putting together that start collecting and it doesn't matter how I build them now (it's 990 points plus an extra Pusgoyle Blightlord and a Lord of Blights Ally).

 DaveC wrote:
Some of the new cards

https://imgur.com/gallery/Bgk05Q7

Rotbringers just get odder 2 of your 5 cards are the Blighted Icon Bearer and the Sonorous Tocsin and both are pretty much an autoincludes as they buff toughness and movement to friendlies within 6 inches, Blightkings have 1 card regardless of weapons as the picture shows a shield but the toughness remains 4 across the board shield or not at least the 2 Blightkings from the Wurmspat will fit right in. No Lord of Afflictions despite the image on the abilities card so an all flyboys list isn't possible. Still I'll be putting together that start collecting and it doesn't matter how I build them now (it's 990 points plus an extra Pusgoyle Blightlord and a Lord of Blights Ally).

Yeah, I think I'm going to suggest houseruling a combined Nurgle warband to the group.

I'm a little bit surprised that the Poxbringer, Spoilpox Scrivener and Sloppity Bilepiper didn't make it in for the Nurgle daemons...

 Ghaz wrote:


I'm a little bit surprised that the Poxbringer, Spoilpox Scrivener and Sloppity Bilepiper didn't make it in for the Nurgle daemons...

They're AoS heroes. Their place is not in the Warcry bands, but as allies. That's how they designed it in Monster and Mercenaries, and I'm pretty sure the next supplement for Warcry will add more allies for these new factions.

As for the Maggotkin, I'm thinking to make a 1000 points list with 1 blightkin, 1 leader, 1 standard, 2 musicians (with one box, use the flails with bells for one and the big two handed bell for the other - can do the trick to translate their 2' rmelee range) and 1 blightlord. I bet you can pile in the move aura so that you gain +2 move if placed right.

Sarouan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:


I'm a little bit surprised that the Poxbringer, Spoilpox Scrivener and Sloppity Bilepiper didn't make it in for the Nurgle daemons...

They're AoS heroes. Their place is not in the Warcry bands, but as allies. That's how they designed it in Monster and Mercenaries, and I'm pretty sure the next supplement for Warcry will add more allies for these new factions.

True on the Sloppity Bilepiper and the Spoilpox Scrivener. Personally I've always viewed the Poxbringer as more of a Plaguebearer champion which just happened to be a separate unit.

 Ghaz wrote:
Personally I've always viewed the Poxbringer as more of a Plaguebearer champion which just happened to be a separate unit.

You can see it how you want, but the fact is Poxbringer is the name they give to Heralds of Nurgle. It always was a hero.

Looks like this whole wave is on the power level of core Warcry warbands, albeit probably more due to incompetence than design. So broadly we have tiers:

Wave 2 AoS
Wave 1 AoS
Core and Wave 3 AoS

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Looks like this whole wave is on the power level of core Warcry warbands, albeit probably more due to incompetence than design. So broadly we have tiers:

Wave 2 AoS
Wave 1 AoS
Core and Wave 3 AoS

It's not as simple as that. Not all bands from the same wave are on the same level, far from it. You also seem to dismiss Seraphons from Wave 3, don't think they're that bad.

I've heard people exclaim that Ogors are OP but had no problem tearing through them with my Splintered Fang, myself. I got the impression they were underpowered, even, due to how badly they can lose on activation wars; they seem to mainly be strong against other elite warbands. I feel the situation is more internet hyperbole than division into tier lists. I also think looking at Warcry releases strictly from a matched play standpoint is largely missing the point. The game is clearly intended to be narrative/campaign focused. That is where the vast majority of content lies, matched & tournament play being little more than small additions towards the back end of the book.


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 DaveC wrote:
Some of the new cards

https://imgur.com/gallery/Bgk05Q7

Rotbringers just get odder 2 of your 5 cards are the Blighted Icon Bearer and the Sonorous Tocsin and both are pretty much an autoincludes as they buff toughness and movement to friendlies within 6 inches, Blightkings have 1 card regardless of weapons as the picture shows a shield but the toughness remains 4 across the board shield or not at least the 2 Blightkings from the Wurmspat will fit right in. No Lord of Afflictions despite the image on the abilities card so an all flyboys list isn't possible. Still I'll be putting together that start collecting and it doesn't matter how I build them now (it's 990 points plus an extra Pusgoyle Blightlord and a Lord of Blights Ally).

Tocsin is definitely auto-include with such a slow warband. I've noticed that they have made various slow warbands have different gimmicks to get around movement 3, a lesson I suspect they learned from the Iron Golem's performance. I hesitantly guess that the bell-tax is an intentional design element giving Rotbringers a unique feel. The banner is much more optional, a nice aoe toughness buff but one that needs a triple. The real reason it is auto-take is because the banner bearer costs only 5 more points with exactly the same stats... I wonder if there will be a errata giving the shield-kings toughness 5, which would make those point costs make sense.

Overall, not how I would of designed it but I think I see what they are going for and I will certainly have fun playing it.

Blightking weapon are all the same weapons in their AoS profile. If they were to be specific there are more than just shield giving toughness boost.

 DaveC wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/searchResults?N=1997019759+2031813905+3206404541

Bloodbound - 12 fighter cards provide profiles four types of Blood Warriors, three types of Bloodreavers, two types of Wrathmongers, two types of Skullreapers and Khorgoraths.

Do we know what the four and three warriors and reavers variants are?
Is there a way to find that out, I am still thinking of trying Warcry out, and I have Warriors, Reavers and a Khorgorath.