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In the fastest FAQ in GW history, FW has already released a FAQ for IA Apoc (which came out yesterday)

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/iaapocqanda.pdf

Way to go GW!!

Unfortunately the Ork Krusha BATTLEWAGON just lost turboboosta.....DARN.

Wow. Way to go GW. Or should I say way to go FW?

Do you think this represents a change in FAQ policy?

Hordini wrote:Wow. Way to go GW. Or should I say way to go FW?

Do you think this represents a change in FAQ policy?

No. Warwick always works on his own and he has put out a FAQ for each Imperial Armor book.

There is still no official FAQ for the last 3 codices (not including Blood Angels), so until we see those and, more importantly, updates for the existing FAQs I think its clear there has been on change in their FAQ policy.

That's what I figured. I knew FW has sort of been doing their own thing for awhile, so I had my doubts. Not personally owning any FW books, I didn't realize they were this caught up on their FAQ's though.

So way to go FW, and I hope GW gets the message sooner rather than later.

Hordini wrote:That's what I figured. I knew FW has sort of been doing their own thing for awhile, so I had my doubts. Not personally owning any FW books, I didn't realize they were this caught up on their FAQ's though.

So way to go FW, and I hope GW gets the message sooner rather than later.

Well, the fact that IA is essentially a one-man rules operation has its positives and its negatives.


The positives are that Warwick:

A) puts out exprimental rules, gets feedback and changes things.
B) he answers emails regarding rules questions and gives you his opinions.
C) is able to rapidly produce FAQs for his rules.


The negatives however, are:

D) His rules often don't perfectly vibe with the regular rules. For example, in IA5 with the new Krieg Artillery it has sort of half rules for what happens when the Artillery unit is fired at (how you randomize the hits) but it doesn't cover what happens in an assault. What is frustrating about this is that the 40K rulebook has rules for artillery units in it. Why his unit doesn't simply follow the rules for Artillery is completely beyond me. IMHO, he has continued to copy-and-paste rules from old units whenever he starts writing a new unit and this has gotten him so stuck in his ways he often forgets that new rules have come into play that make things much easier.
E) He suffers the same issue as regular GW which is: Once he puts out a FAQ he rarely (i.e. never) gets back and updates the FAQ with new questions or revised (more clear) answers. This is probably due to the fact that he's always got more new stuff to work on, but it has the same frustrating 'one and done' feel that normal GW FAQs do.
F) As with regular GW FAQs some of his answers tend to cause more confusion than clarity, and since those FAQs are never updated once they're published sometimes things are made worse instead of better.

Someone needs to E-mail him about his answer to the Death Riders question.

The formation basically makes you pay +25 points on top of the Death Riders for no actual special rules, and you have to deploy within 12" of the command.

Someone asks the question in the FAQ why you'd ever do that, and Warrick says that the benefit is as that they're one formation that can all come in from Strategic Reserve at the same time, so that's why they don't have any special rules. I may be wrong, but if you went and bought 10 squads of Rough Riders and put them into StratReserve, couldn't you bring them on in one go anyway?


I think he just forgot to give them special rules and is (badly) trying to cover his ass.

BYE

Wow, I have only ever bought small Forgeworld items before now. When the new rhinos came out, I bought the vindicator chassis. I have a Destroyer Tank Hunter for IG. But this FAQ makes me enraged that I not only bought, but preordered this item.

There are seven pages fo solid text worth of mess-ups. That's ridiculous! And it's for nearly half the entries in the book. Glaring screw-ups that can only be the result of someone using cut-and-paste to hurry up the production time, and having noone edit the book at all.

Then the FAQ answers the questions very poorly. I agree with H.M.B.C. - which despite our shared love of Guardsmen, I don't do very often - the answer to the question about Death Riders is a cop-out. But more than that, the answer to the question about the Orca's transport capacity is insulting. It implies that Forgeworld's customers are unable to count to numbers not ending in five or zero. Then again, this seems to be a belief strongly held in Games Workshop as a whole, which is why Space MArines must have 5-man squads or 10-man squads, but nothing in between. That's just infuriating.

Honestly, with all those screw-ups, I want a new copy of the book. And no, I don't think that's over-the-top. If any other similar company produced a book with so many blatent errors that they needed a 7 page FAQ when the item had been out LESS THAN TWO WEEKS, I would return it to the store and repurchase it when they had made the edits and rereleased. In this case, I compare the books for Forgeworld with books for WotC, or Privateer Press. I feel with the price range this is almost reasonable. Except that Forgeworld's are $100 a piece instead of the already preposterous $40 a piece. And you can't even return this to the store! And does forgeworld edit the books once they are released? Will a later version include these rewrites?

Suffice it to say, despite my initial excitement, I am really disappointed.

Absolutely agree with HBMC. I was kind of looking forward to a published RR datasheet and what he gave was a waste of paper. Very disappointing

It's safe to say future printings will have the exact same screw ups. Way to stick it to us FW.

For extremely fast FAQs, wasn't the FAQ for the previous Chaos Codex out befor the actual codex was released? I can't quite remember, but I distinctively remember it was one codex, or the other, that the FAQ was out befor the codex.

hmbc: i believe Apocalypse says you can bring up to Half your reserves on turn two, and then the rest on turn 3 though the rules with how they are written you can theoretically not deploy any turn two and deploy all on 3

So if you bought 5 squads you have to split it up to 3 and 2. However with the formation it lets you bring it all on even if its your only reserve on turn two. Bring (i believe) Careful Planning and you can drop it all turn 1. sneak flank march in there somewhere and you got the entire Death Korps charging just about anywhere.

However I believe our FAQ writer forgot about the HUGE drawback inherent in this plan.
While you gain the above benefit, if an opponent has a working disruptor beacon your opponent can tell you where to deploy that entire formation, meaning they'll most likely be wasted and never get near the real thick of the combat.

To be honest all I ever wanted from a Rough Rider formation was a 50pt-100pt formation that let you bring extra spear tips to use every turn. That's all. not so hard is it?

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow, I have only ever bought small Forgeworld items before now. When the new rhinos came out, I bought the vindicator chassis. I have a Destroyer Tank Hunter for IG. But this FAQ makes me enraged that I not only bought, but preordered this item.

There are seven pages fo solid text worth of mess-ups. That's ridiculous! And it's for nearly half the entries in the book. Glaring screw-ups that can only be the result of someone using cut-and-paste to hurry up the production time, and having noone edit the book at all.

Then the FAQ answers the questions very poorly. I agree with H.M.B.C. - which despite our shared love of Guardsmen, I don't do very often - the answer to the question about Death Riders is a cop-out. But more than that, the answer to the question about the Orca's transport capacity is insulting. It implies that Forgeworld's customers are unable to count to numbers not ending in five or zero. Then again, this seems to be a belief strongly held in Games Workshop as a whole, which is why Space MArines must have 5-man squads or 10-man squads, but nothing in between. That's just infuriating.

Honestly, with all those screw-ups, I want a new copy of the book. And no, I don't think that's over-the-top. If any other similar company produced a book with so many blatent errors that they needed a 7 page FAQ when the item had been out LESS THAN TWO WEEKS, I would return it to the store and repurchase it when they had made the edits and rereleased. In this case, I compare the books for Forgeworld with books for WotC, or Privateer Press. I feel with the price range this is almost reasonable. Except that Forgeworld's are $100 a piece instead of the already preposterous $40 a piece. And you can't even return this to the store! And does forgeworld edit the books once they are released? Will a later version include these rewrites?

Suffice it to say, despite my initial excitement, I am really disappointed.

I agree 100%. Those whom are getting excited and touting the fact FW released a FAQ so quickly boggles my mind.

If I sold you a car with multiple, glaring mechanical issues then sent you a letter with details on how to cobble the parts together to make it at least usable, would you be as excited?

FW quantifies the price of their books with the premise of artistic quality and polish. When the book is laden with blatant grammatical errors and appears as rushed as this...they can hardly expect to put out a FAQ and make all well.

Add this into another tangent (Somewhat off subject) of delivery times. I ordered a Warhound Titan and it arrived a month later. A month wait is aggravating when you spend 560 dollars on an item but what can you do right? When it arrived however, it was missing parts and had several horrible/obvious miscasts. I phoned the lads, informed them and they stated they would send replacements. It's been yet another month (Two months now!) and my parts have yet to arrive. When I phoned and inquired on the status of my order (As they cannot send an email detailing when parts are dispatched) I was curtly told that "It would ship when we get them so there is no need to call". What service!

FW management (Somewhat of an oxymoron at this point) needs to be evaluated/replaced or retrained. My Elysian money will be going to other miniature lines due to my experiences of late.

This is early as it reads differently to most FAQ's. Most others are clarifications reluctantly given.
This one corrects a number of blatant brainfarts.

I have not seen the new IA book, but from what I read here it has many glaringly obvious errors that couldn't be ignored long. Such as drop pods for command squads that cant fit a minimum command squad.



Does this FAQ establish that drones attached to characters do not take transport space?
If so can I now have twelve Fire Warriors plus two gun drones in a Devilfish?

strange_eric wrote:

To be honest all I ever wanted from a Rough Rider formation was a 50pt-100pt formation that let you bring extra spear tips to use every turn. That's all. not so hard is it?

Not hard at all, but some of us with a large amount of RR's simply wanted Flank Attack or Strategic Redeployment attached to a large formation to bring to bear a large number of RR's at one time.

Nothing says Apoc better than 60 RR's charging across the table. That's what I'm talking about

strange_eric wrote:hmbc: i believe Apocalypse says you can bring up to Half your reserves on turn two, and then the rest on turn 3 though the rules with how they are written you can theoretically not deploy any turn two and deploy all on 3

That doesn't justify creating a formation that has no special rules. They forgot to give the formation any, and now they're trying to cover their collective asses. It's that simple. They screwed up and don't want to admit it.

BYE

I humbly submit perhaps their special rule could be something like "If the Rough Riders win combat, the opponant takes a -1 Ld penalty for each unit of RR engaged with them after the first." So when those 3 units of cav. slam into some poor buggers, they are more likely to break from the cavalry shock.

What do you think HBMC? (I ask because I rather like your sense of rules shown in your Revisited project, and I think you have an excellent grasp of how things should work.)

Really this formation should probably cost 50 points + models, should be for Rough Riders in general (screw having to spend $100 on each squad of Death Riders), and it just lends itself for a Flank March and possibly Recon for just the formation (to avoid them slowing themselves down/killing themselves in terrain).

Failing that, then the re-loadable Lances that someone above suggested would be nice. Would give RR's more staying power in Apoc rather than just being a one-hit wonder formation.

BYE