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please bear with the long post, I'd like to start a discussion on the matter so here are a bunch of thoughts and info.


I don't think this needs to be in YMTC ... now that we have the codex.. his rules state:

DA BIG DOK:

any unit in an army including grotsnik may upgrade its members to have cybork bodies at +pts per model.

now if I read correct (that interpretation may belong in ymtc..) we could effectively give the ENTIRE ARMY cybork bodies.

would it be worth it?? depends but some ideas come from this:

15 lootas w/ cyborks come out to 275.. immune to AP fire and better than their normal save

12 trukk boyz w/ nob, klaw, 1 rokkit, trukk, cyborks comes out to: 225 or so + trukk upgrades

squad of 10 nobz w/ painboy, 1 klaw and cyborks is about 355 w/ a trukk
(2 wound FNP I4 5atk charge nastyness plus poison wpn and claw followup)

20 stormboyz w/ cyborks, nob w/ klaw comes out to 375 .. expensive yes but crazy durable.

30 shoota boyz w/ 3 rokkits, nob w/ klaw and cyborks comes out to: 395

now mind you i'm not going to redo my ENTIRE army as cybork bodies.. most people are pretty flexible..

but if you were going to take 2000 pts and surround grotsnik with a bunch of crazy cybork dudes what would you consider most effective?

just based on the math.. I'd be inclined to do trukk mobz to keep it somewhat cheap. but crazy amounts of foot slogging is scary as well.

here is A list.. mostly based on my available on hand models but would be fun methinks

Mad Doc Grotsnik (rides with nobz)

Big Mek SAG, cybork body

Lootas (15) cybork bodies


Nobz (10) 9 w/ slugga choppa cybork bodies
1 w/ slugga, power klaw, bosspole, cybork
in trukk w/ ram, red, rokkit, stikkbomb

5x this squad:

Trukk boyz (12) 10 w/ slugga choppa, cybork bodies
1 w/ rokkit, cybork
1 nob w/ slugga, klaw, bosspole cybork
trukk w/ ram, red, rokkit, stikkbomb

87 models (435 points spent on cybork upgrade = 20%) 6 trukks


now that is just for discussion's sake

if you were to go "all cyborks" what would you field? its tough to make it evenly work out due to the odd points for boyz but what are you gonna do.

on the one hand... nobz w/ 2 wounds and FNP IS BRUTAL from my playtesting

but 20 stormboyz being more expensive than trukkers would be REALLY hard to kill a substantial amount of before they swarm you to death

you could do something along the lines of:

Mad Doc Grotsnik

Lootas (15) cybork bodies

Lootas (15) cybork bodies

Shoota boyz (20) 2 rokkits, nob w/ klaw, all cyborks

Shoota boyz (20) 2 rokkits, nob w/ klaw, all cyborks

Stormboyz (20) nob w/ klaw, all cyborks

Stormboyz (20) nob w/ klaw, all cyborks

111 models (over 500 pts spent on cybork upgrades)


again thoughts? i'm not interested in army list critique.. more like starting a strategic discussion to figure out if massed cyborks would be worth it. orks become a different animal if they are immune to AP fire and have a 33% chance at save instead of just a 6+ but the price is high... especially if you are foot slogging rather than taking the trukk mobs. they might be WAY cheaper and more effective than the stormboyz

NaZ

Not worth it IMO.

Just take a big mek with KFF that will handle everything from a shooting stand point.

The one tactic I was debating on doing was putting grotsnik with 30 'ard boyz with a big mek with Kff.

Fearless to the last ork, 4+ armour, 5+ cover, 4+ FNP.

Besides the availability of the KFF, I'd say it's worth it for any unit worth at least 20 pts, especially Nobs with their two wounds, double especially because it counts as a save vs S8+ high AP weapons.

Nobs already benefit from Cybork because of Painboys but Mega Nobs are a perfect fit for the Mad Doc's Cyborks. Flash Gits if you don't want to take a Painboy, Dethcoptas if they can.

As for Lootas I would put them in cover, as for Stormboys it could be worth it if they mean that much to you altho you're getting pretty pricey, they're only 12 pts each.

One thing I notice with concealed guardians is that it is almost impossible to kill the whole squad. Even when you're down to a squad of five or six you can expect a couple to survive a barage of small arms fire.

I've already seen painboy assisted cybork nobz tear through much stuff in my games.

I think another unforseen cost though would be having to choose between a warbiker boss or a mek for your other hq slot...

anyone else have thoughts on this?

NaZ

a cybork army would definitely be fun for the occasional game - just use your normal models plus grotsnik, tell your opponent that every model has cybork legs under their trou, and off you go! (Also a real easy way to instantly make your army 500 points bigger for that unexpected game)

But as above, it's really only a _sensible_ option for expensive models (especially when you add grotsnik's own cost too) - something like cybork grots would be hilarious but a waste of points

Meganobs benifit the most from it I think. They need some sort of invunerable save to protect them from the AP2 and power weapons.